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Guess debating someone's common sense is easier than addressing their statement directly. Say.....how many stories do you need of people OCing with no problems at all before you don't consider it acting like a cowboy? So far I have read MANY more incidents or rather non-incidents by those who open carry than I have problems with open carry.

Both bills specifically forbad HCP holders from consuming alcohol while armed. The main difference was one had the "51% rule" and one did not. The bill sponsored by Rep. Curry (51%) died in sub-committee, the other bill is in the summer study committee and from what I could see when it was brought up in the committee, it will end up being amended to some how allow carry in restaraunts, but not bars.

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It is just the opposite actually. You can not carry concealed, but you can carry openly. See map in post 10

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Works with land lines as well.

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My thoughts as well.

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I agree the officer should speak with the complainant and maybe it can be resolved quickly. Of course I remember calls from when I was dispatching of where family would call that where miles from the location of the "problem". There are definetly difficult and unusual calls out there. ...and Yes, many times the ones that are the most difficult to deal with are the first to complain.

GLOCKMEISTER, I know this is sort of nit picking again, but I think the big difference (to me) between the orginal domestic scenario and yours, is that in your you say "you" spoke to the neighbor and the neighbor directly told you they heard screaming. That is different that some anonymous call or even a neighbor using the shield of the phone to report something as opposed to directly telling a person of authority. Of course if you pull up and and hear screaming etc... I wouldn't think you'd need to talk to anyone. I think the others are worried about the neighbor who they had an argument with that morning about taking their newspaper, calling in a false report and having the police respond just to hassel them because of the earlier argument.

Here is a link to the relevant IL law.

Actually the biggest difference between the first 3, well really just the first 2 and the last one is...that there is no laws against fishing or driving in and of itself, there is simply a law that says you must have license to do so. There is a law against the carry of handgun 39-17-1307. It is simply a defense against that law if you have a HCP 39-17-1308. So if you are fishing or driving you are not breaking the law automatically because you are doing so, only if you don't have license. If you are carrying a handgun, as far as anyone knows you are breaking the law, until you prove that you aren't by presenting your HCP. If you are in a state where carry or a type of carry is legal without a permit I'd agree they would have no reason to interfer in your business. All of that said...I agree that I wish people/sheep weren't so alarmed at the sight of a handgun on a normal individual....but what is normal and how do they know?

Well to fully clear things up...there is no such thing as the DMV in TN, it was the Department of Safety or DOS. Also it is a Handgun Carry Permit or HCP, not a CCW because it allows to you to carry Open or Concealed.

Next time just Open Carry....that way it won't look like you are trying to hide anything....

Just a passive/peaceful form of protest.

But for all the LEO knows you are breaking the law by being armed until you are able to "defend" your action by showing your HCP. So after you say you are armed he has all the authority he needs to see your HCP. If chooses to do that inside or outside is up to him I suppose.

Glad one of the LEO's was a friend. Sounds like it was handled well on his part.

What Dave said! The law itself says the wording of the sign is supposed to substantially similar to what is in 39-17-1359 as does the AG opinion.

VT and AK. Neither require a permit and both allow OC or CC VT doesn't even issue permtis, AK does simply so AK residents can carry in other states, like TN, that require one. Also several states allow OC without a permit. A permit is only needed to CC.

I agree with you in general that he could have shown him the permit right there (right away, not after finishing the burger) and that been the end of it. However as was said in another thread. It is illegal to carry a handun in TN. It is simply a defense to that law if you have a HCP. So if you are armed as far as any officer knows, you are breaking the law until you are able to defend yourself by presenting your HCP.

IANAL but IMO the Comcast sign is not subatainally silmilar to the wording of 39-17-1359. Again IMO I would think that in addition to stating that weapons are banned the wording would need to contain 39-17-1359 and violation of state law. But I agree the intent of the owner is not in question. Also the AG is simply reflecting the law when he says "subatainally silmilar" because that is what the actually law says. On the slash and gun the AG does say it can be used with the proper wording but not by itself.

Well I am moving and the place I am moving to does not have Broadband available by DSL or Cable. So I have been looking at Wild Blue internet service. Currently they are offering $50 of the equipment plus free install. But that is still about $250. There are used systems on eBay for much cheaper, but according to their website you can not do a self install. So I guess the cost of a step up off eBay plus paying for the installation may not be really saving any money. Any information about use, installation, etc... that anyone could provide would be greatly helpful. Thanks.

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