Fallguy

Just depends if a place bans all weapons or just handguns.....and if you have proof you have had training in the use of a baton of course.

The only other place it mentions in state law that you can not carry (or even have it your vehicle within 1000 ft) is if you participate in a demonstration in a public place.

To be honest I'm not sure...don't see anything in what I've looked at that says as a AL resident you must get a AL permit. However there did seem to be a question as to whether they will honor non-resident permits from other states. As of know it appears they do, but are seeking clarification by the AG and/or legislature.

Do you still work in TN by chance? If you work in TN for at least 30 hours a week over the last 6 months TN will issue TN permits to out of state residents whose state or residence hasn't entered into a written reciprocity agreement with TN. 39-17-1351®(3)© Although TN and AL honor each others permits, they don't have a written reciprocity agreement. All that said, I don't think getting an AL permit is very hard and shouldn't take too long, especially having already had a TN permit. One note about AL permits, they are issued by the local sheriff and he can place restrictions on your carry permit above what is in the state law and those restrictions apply to you state wide.

That's pretty much me....no plans of going to Iowa anytime soon. But figure it always good when another state honors TN permits, especially when it is like in the case it is because they will honor all permits. I have contacted the Washington (state) AG twice about honoring TN permits. The first time they told me it was because TN didn't have an electronic way to check if someone had been committed to a mental institution. Well that changed at the first of 2010 and I contacted them again, they said they would review the TN law and make a decision. Not sure what the problem is now.

Iowa's new law takes effect today. This new law makes them a shall issue state and they also now honor all other states permits. For info on off-limits places etc.... see http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/iowa.pdf

Best I can tell by looking at the OH page on Handgunlaw.us Hospitals are not off-limits by law and they do not mention property owners being able to post legally binding signs. Unlike in TN in many other states property owners either can't post signs, or those signs carry no legal weight. That being said I'm usually a bit more conscious when out of state myself.

LOL..ok, but either way it was still (and always has been) a criminal offense. We also now know it is a Class B misdemeanor, before we always just assumed that based on the fine. As far as 39-17-1305 before it was repealed, violation was a Class A misdemeanor, which can carry a jail sentence up to 11 months, 29 days.

Well actually I was talking about Public Chapter 129 of 2007 and Public Chapter 885 of 2010 which amended T.C.A. 58-2-107 that deal with the powers of the governor during a state of emergency, major disaster or natural disater. PC 129 added Subsection (m) that says... During any state of emergency, major disaster or natural disaster, the state, a political subdivision or a public official shall not prohibit nor impose additional restrictions on the lawful possession, transfer, sale, transport, carrying, storage, display or use of firearms and ammunition or firearm and ammunition components. PC 885 amended subdivison (e)(4) and (e)(8) to say... (4) Subject to any applicable requirements for compensation, commandeer or utilize any private property, which term shall not be construed to include firearms, ammunition, or firearm or ammunition components, if the governor finds this necessary to cope with the emergency; (8) Suspend or limit the sale, dispensing, or transportation of alcoholic beverages, explosives, or combustibles, which terms shall not be construed to include firearms, ammunition, or firearm or ammunition components

Well actually it's always been a criminal offense (punishable by $500 fine only) to violate 39-17-1359 as well. The only thing that is really new is that a "Circle and Slash" aka "Gun Buster" sign alone is a legal posting. Prior to the new law the symbol had to be used along with the proper wording to be legal. Overall I don't disagree that standard size/location/etc... would be good. It's just that if they mess with it much more, especially this soon....some of the changes may not be good. (Just like many feel the change of making the "Gun Buster" symbol a legal posting wasn't good.)

Plainly visible is not new, been in the law since day one in 1996. But I agree, plainly visible is a bit of a judgment thing (sort of like excessive celebration in College football if anyone watched the games yesterday). And that part is good. And this debate is good although for the last 14 years it is a bit academic since no one on the board at least knows of a case where someone was actually charged with a violation of 39-17-1359. I could be wrong, but my bet is 99.9% of the time you would just be told to leave even if you walked past a sign the covered the entire face of the front door. And again I agree with you, IMO it means just as it says...it is plainly visible and is easily seen.

Didn't say things weren't a bit in different in KY than TN or any other state/commonwealth for that matter. It just seemed that he implied that since KY and VA call themselves commonwealths as opposed to states that had something to do with they way the make and enforce laws. They may very well do somethings different, but the fact they call themselves commonwealths have nothing to do with it.

It's not true for TN. "Legally" this can't happen in TN. But apparently it can in NC and as others said, has before.

Well I have never 100% subscribed that non-legal postings are intentional by the business owner in and effort to appease anti-s. I really think it is simply a lack of knowing/understanding the law. But I do agree the majority of postings (legal and non) are about money. I think many business owners are afraid of being sued if they allow firearms and something happens.

????????? Best I can tell the Kentucky law has been on the books since 1974. Also radar detectors are illegal in several states. And lastly there is no legal difference between a commonwealth and a state.

The law already says the signs must be "plainly visable"

What they said.

Well said.

This has long since gone off-topic and looks to be headed to getting people in trouble.... Got to go for now, but will check in later and see if this is still open.....or should be.....

I don't think anyone (even DaveTN ) is advocating a "Shoot first" attitude. I agree LEOs need to be aware not every MWG is actually someone with a gun or anyone acting illegally, but they have to be prepared that it is someone acting unlawfully and factor the threat. Hopefully the situation will give them time to evaluate things before lethal force is used. I completely agree that they should not roll up on the scene and shoot everything and anyone. While I know it doesn't happen all the time, hopefully the dispatcher can get detailed info from the caller of what is going on. There is a big difference between, "It looks like my neighbor is putting a rifle in a bag in the trunk of his car" and "My neighbor is waving around a handgun yelling FTW". As far as how to avoid being shot....think it goes back to be aware of your surrounding and listen to the commands of the responding officer.

LOL..yeah at least we can agree to disagree when it is necessary. Nothing immediately comes to mind within the OPs scenario as far as rights being violated. But in general I think it does happen sometimes. As far as a random stop goes...I think they way TN law is written a LEO that detains someone that he sees is armed until he determines their HCP status is not violating anyone's right....or rather not violating the law...whether TN law is 100% constitutional is another discussion for another thread...lol

I don't think anything in it allows them to violate rights to keep themselves safe either..... But if a LEO gets a MWG call and responds and orders me down, to disarm etc....until he investigates it...I don't necessarily feel my rights have been violated either. Totally agree on the situational awarness....if you are doing things like that, you should be aware LE may be called and watch for them and be prepared if the do arrive.

...and I think that is part of the reason this guy was charged.....he had other charges already....so just lumped more on. Hopefully the law isn't routinely being used to prosecute all scanner listeners....but still bad that it appears to be written where it can be.

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Well based on what I can find on KY law...he does seem guilty as sin. Kentucky Revised Statutes I think KY needs to update their laws though.....