Jonnin

I am all for shooting someone in the knee if I need to know something, but this did not sound like a good time to be asking questions. Didn't know the Llama was into harsh interrogation techniques though, but can't blame him after what he has been thru either.

welcome! sounds like some good shooting platforms in your toybox.

Can we get about a billion of these made up from lead and toxic plastic in china to send to the middle east? (if you missed it, one of the flag burners died from the fumes off the flag in the rioting).

Absolutely. I have used one of the M&Ps for a while now in 3 gun and for fun, and it has held up perfectly with several k rounds thru it, typical use (1 round in 3 seconds typical aim & shoot usage). I just got a second one to build a bump-fire gun, which WILL be for home defense. If you need to break a window with your gun, I think it will do it no problem. The exposed bolt will NOT do well if you pack it full of gooey mud, but a little dirt wont do much. If you are planning to wallow thru a mudhole, you will want to cover the bolt, some camo duct tape will work.

Heh it has been a while since I shot a full powered 45, probably skewed my perceptions. Been shooting fairly light target loads on a light spring..... did not even think about it when I said that....

when mine goes I am going to buy a replacement, and mill out a metal one using the plastic new one as a guide.... probably make it out of aluminum but I am tempted to go steel on it.

What would it be like? Same as now, high unemployment, union bailouts, handouts for the liberals with a constant push to make everyone else poor and in need of said handouts to get them hooked and wanting to vote D. Extended unemployment benefits. More taxes on the Republicans ("the rich", supposedly). More environwhacko regulations to drive business out of the USA (some folks calls it green jobs, I calls it regulation). More executive orders. At least 1 more radical libtard on the SCOTUS. More healthcare. More borrowing money to give to our enemies as aid. More of the same, in other words.

im using the lee classic turret, and have made thousands of rounds on it without a hitch. So far the only breakages I have had from buying cheap: 1) the cheap drill bit trimmer things: the blades wear out and nothing I can do will properly sharpen one. When it stops cutting, get a new one, is all I can say about that. 2) My lee disk powder device blew out its spring. They sent me a new spring free in about 2 days turnaround. 3) I broke a shell holder for the drill trimmer That is all I can think of. Everything else has held up well. I did not buy the rock bottom grade stuff though, and I feel that my iron or steel or whatever it is press was worth the extra $$ all day long. You can skimp on just about anything else but the press needs to be decent.

Oh yea.... I also have cooked up a light load that put the sights dead on at 100. Probably a little different for each gun but I can share if you want to punch paper up close with a wimpy loading.

The offical press story has said several times that TM was beating GZ's head when GZ pulled and shot with zero press stating that TM went for the gun. TM probably was not even aware of the gun.

700 sounds excessive. A cheap press is less than $100. My turret press was about $300. I highly recommend the a turret, but if money is tight, well many a round has been made single stage. Calipers and a scale are like $20 each for ones that will do the job, if you are not going to be making match grade ammo on day 1. A home-made table might cost $30 tops, probably less. Mine was 1 sheet of plywood cut to 2 foot squares and stacked up, and screwed into a 4x4 that I cut into legs for it. Other odds and ends might run you another $50, a funnel, a trash bucket, some sort of plastic organization containers, and so on. You might like a hand primer, but the press will have a primer tool built into it and i prefer that. If you get a book or 2, the price shoots up fast here, but the data in them is mostly public domain these days. You need a tumbler or way to clean brass, you can do this with a wet wash and a bucket or you can buy a tumbler for $50-100 or so. You need a brass trimmer, which can be very expensive all the way down to a $10 job that goes in a hand drill. So, it could be as low as $300 or so or over 1000 depending on what exactly you buy. Lee sells refurbished presses for a very low price. If you can afford a steel press, do so, the aluminum ones will bend over time.

way to go! the 45 is not a big recoil round, dunno why you think a 9 would be any better (plastic 9s kick harder than steel 45s by a long shot, esp with defense ammo, unless you have a pocket sized 45). I am more impressed that she managed a 12, it took a while for my wife to get used to even a tamed 12 ga.

Sheltered indeed. Here in the us, parents sell their kids, and traffickers bring in young ones from mexico, and the runaways & abducted & desperate of course, or the get rich child porn industry, and the child abusers like that football guy or the olympic swim coach in the news this week, etc.....

been that way forever I think. A few years back we were working on a boat and had to swap the lead shot ballast for sand bags to make some official happy. When we cleaned it we had to use only certain products and it had to be done over a certain drain. They had to account for every drop of any sort of chemical onboard, so bleeding the hydraulic lines was a big deal and took 4 levels of paper pushers and observers. Refueling in the water was as bad, took an observer and paperwork to make sure we did not have a fuel spill. Mind you, these were not much bigger than a bass fishing boat, not talking about a warship or anything big. It just was government related work so the envirowhackos had to have their say at every step.

You are welcome, whatever I said If you decide to make brass let me know and I can give you the awful details. It takes me a good 20 min per case. If you are smarter than I am, you will just buy a couple boxes of privi ammo and reload their cases or buy some brass. The good news is that the reformed brass has case wall for a neck and they last until the primers will no longer stay in --- many, many shootings per case.

to be fair, catamites have existed in most ancient cultures, and persist in europe, asia, and americas as well. It may not be mainstream and is often illegal, but the boys are still sold and abused and filmed. They are not unique in this in any way. I think you can still rent one legally in some of the really open places in asia. Young girls are also abused. All this has been going on since the dawn of time, just some places more openly than others.

I have a like new 1909, I think they are the same caliber (7.65). I shoot mine a few times a year with some light handloads, it is one smooth action and extremely accurate rifle. Some of these have been cut up to 30-06. You can craft loads for it with either a 308 case and 303 british bullets or cut up a 30-06 case with the 303s, both will do but the 06 cases cut down and formed are identical to the original while the 308s are not quite right but good enough. DO NOT SHOOT actual 308 in it, though, the pressure is beyond what your rifle can take. These are very fine guns, some of the best bolt actions ever produced anywhere. The trigger could use work on mine, but I am not touching it beyond a tiny bit of shooting. If your gun is not cut up in any way and all matching, it could be worth quite a bit in good condition. If you think you have a winner, you need to get an expert appraisal. If not, you have an excellent shooter if you are willing to make or buy the ammo for it.

some of those places, I wonder that enough people HAVE internet AND understand the language the movie is in well enough to become enraged to the point of a riot. Hard to buy that.

It all ties back in to the ak pistol thread. If a LEO does not know the law and makes it up on the fly .... there are serious problems with the system, whatever else is going on. Comply now, get the police report tomorrow, get your law and facts straight, and take it to a lawyer or write an editorial on it. Getting into it on the side of the road is a losing strategy every time. As to the topic, I carry deep concealed and ready to go.

If gun control laws keep guns out of the hands of inner city minorities, well that is some serious proof that gun control laws simply do not work. There have been many who say the 1968 laws to ban inexpensive handguns was (anti-poor, racist, whatever words) as well. I am not sure how I feel about this as several makers of good quality but low cost guns now thrive (kel tec for a prime example). However we cannot import certain types of guns to this day, which limits the inexpensive options for lower income shooters. Taurus has to actually import its revolvers first and chop the barrels off second to produce its short barreled revolvers, due to these stupid laws. the states that do not have a SHALL ISSUE permit status are absolutely rigging their system toward the wealthy. Note that many of these states are the same ones that point to the south and claim racism or backwards ways. Please, do not ever refer to TN as progressive again. The word is contaminated by the communists now. Good luck with it all.

I see no reason to check it more than once. Racking it 5 times and dry firing it does not make it any more unloaded than it was when you looked in the chamber the first time. the ones that make me nervous the most are tube fed. You can check it, and in the process, load it from the one hiding in the tube. Those, I am very, very careful with.

Below 2 pounds is probably dangerous in a carry gun for most people. For me, I can live with up to 5 pounds or so if the travel is about 1/8 inch. Its the heavy + long combination that makes a gun useless to me, and I dislike long travel in general even if I can manage it, like a glock.

I could not get any of the markings to pop out of the pic, its not quite good enough. Almost though. Darn wavelet damage made it hopeless.... if I could get the precompressed file, I bet I could read it.

Yes. About 1/2 of the 47%, or 23% of americans, are the ones that pay nothing due to staying home and making babies instead of going out and working. The combined low income + child credits = 0 tax liability. There are a couple of breakdowns on this in the news today, that is the executive summary. The other half includes the elderly for sure, and a few others. The generation of elderly that were against handouts are gone, mostly -- the WWII vets and beyond. Now the elderly are the boomers and they love their handouts. The AARP site is loaded with entitlement propaganda now.... I am ok with the programs but they DO need some reform. My gripe is the forced participation. I could put that money in my own accounts and do better long term, but I have to pay it to the govt so they can fail at earning interest on it for my future. It should be possible to opt out. Romney is not low tax anyway. At the best, he will not raise them. I predict, if he wins, he will raise them one way or the other, possibly by closing loopholes or allowing the W cuts to expire or whatever indirect methods.

so, did anything happen to any of you? Or do you think this was over the middle eastern unrest or something? I have had it happen before -- I knew when my dad died -- but nothing lately. The world is up in flames day in and day out, both literally and politically, but that does not usually set me off, its the low level personal stuff that I tend to get a vibe for.