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Did a private class for a student this past Sunday and one of the diagnostic drills I use is Rastoff's Challenge. We have discussed it here before but the course of fire is 

4 rounds at 3 yards

6 rounds at 5 yards

6 rounds at 7 yards 

4 rounds at 10 yards

All rounds must be in the X ring for a perfect score.

 

I put up an extra target for me and shot it cold.......

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Cruel Hand Luke said:

Did a private class for a student this past Sunday and one of the diagnostic drills I use is Rastoff's Challenge. We have discussed it here before but the course of fire is 

4 rounds at 3 yards

6 rounds at 5 yards

6 rounds at 7 yards 

4 rounds at 10 yards

All rounds must be in the X ring for a perfect score.

 

I put up an extra target for me and shot it cold.......

 

 

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And people say dry firing practice doesn't work!  Thanks for sharing.

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44 minutes ago, Cruel Hand Luke said:

Did a private class for a student this past Sunday and one of the diagnostic drills I use is Rastoff's Challenge. We have discussed it here before but the course of fire is 

4 rounds at 3 yards

6 rounds at 5 yards

6 rounds at 7 yards 

4 rounds at 10 yards

All rounds must be in the X ring for a perfect score.

 

I put up an extra target for me and shot it cold.......

 

 

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The hard part is convincing yourself that no time limit means no time limit. Go slow, relax between shots, take a couple deep breaths.   You don't have to hit the x ring 20 times in a row, you have to hit the x ring once, 20 times. 

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19 hours ago, Cruel Hand Luke said:

Did a private class for a student this past Sunday and one of the diagnostic drills I use is Rastoff's Challenge. We have discussed it here before but the course of fire is 

4 rounds at 3 yards

6 rounds at 5 yards

6 rounds at 7 yards 

4 rounds at 10 yards

All rounds must be in the X ring for a perfect score.

 

I put up an extra target for me and shot it cold.......

 

 

IMG_2727.jpg

 

No time?   What target?  

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Just now, Cruel Hand Luke said:

The target is a B-27 and there is no time limit. I use a B27 center  with the red x ring . 

It is a purely accuracy intensive test that is supposed to be shot cold (no warmup). 

I just got back from shooting this with my Glock (cold) and my Shield 2nd...it's humbling because there is no reason for me to miss my hits other than me LOL.

Thank you for the challenge Randy. Great exercise!

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28 minutes ago, Cruel Hand Luke said:

The target is a B-27 and there is no time limit. I use a B27 center  with the red x ring . 

It is a purely accuracy intensive test that is supposed to be shot cold (no warmup). 

I'll try and remember to shoot it this week. 

 

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4 hours ago, gr8smiles said:

This is my range, known as Magaland. It’s in Dekalb County near Center Hill Lake. It’s only 5 acres, but it’s mine, it’s paid for, and it’s fun 🙂

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Very nice there gr8smiles

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Five Yard Roundup shot cold (first thing I shot- no warmup) Today 5/6/21 . Score was 98 / 100 

Five Yard Roundup is shot from 5 yards and is 4 strings of fire.

#1 From concealment 1 round 

#2 From Ready 4 rounds 

#3 From Ready 3 rounds Strong Hand Only 

#4 From Ready 2 rounds Weak Hand Only 

Par time for each string is 2.5 Seconds. Pass or Fail on the time and then calculate the score on the target. 

 

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Rangemaster Core Skills Test shot today 5/6/21 

Target points 198 / 200 total time 27.64 seconds for a total score of 143.26

(Score is derived from points divided by time x 20 ) 

80 - 100 = Very Good / 100 -124 = Advanced / 125+ = Master

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For those not familiar with the drill a word of explanation might be in order.....

The Casino Drill was created by Tom Givens as a way of practicing accurate shooting at speed, target discrimination, reloads, and thinking with gun in hand. 

The target is 6 numbered shapes that are shot in order with the same number of rounds as the face value of the target. That is shoot #1 once, #2 twice , #3 three times etc . That adds up to 21 rounds. 

You NORMALLY start with 7 rounds in the gun, seven rounds in a spare mag, and 7 rounds in a second spare mag. (21 rounds) . And par time to "pass" is 21 seconds. So 21 rounds and 2 reloads distributed among 6 different targets in 21 seconds. 

When you first do this drill that accomplishes all of those things it is designed to work. But as you shoot it more and more and become accustomed to it, it simply becomes a race to the pre determined #s where you will reload  and then you just shoot the correct number of rounds left on that target after the reload (3 on #4 and then 1 on #5 after the reload ) and your time is largely effected by whether your reloads are smooth or not and whether you have any misses The having to think is really curtailed by "knowing how to play the game" . 

Now there are a few ways to make it difficult again... You can make them shoot it starting with #6 and working backwards, or you can make them change the #of rounds in the magazines and instead of loading them 7 , 7, 7 you load them 6 , 7 , 8  or any other combo of such. 

Since this was an Instructor level event and everyone there has probably shot it more than once in the past (and some probably practiced shooting it leading up to that weekend) Tom had us shoot it COLD (first thing at 8AM Sunday morning with NO WARMUP) and load mags with 6 , 7, and 8 rounds and then mix up the magazines so that we did not know which was in the gun and which were in which mag pouch. This brought the "randomness" of where to reload and kept you from just racing to the predetermined reload positions without having to involve any mental effort on WHEN to reload and how many more shots were needed on that particular target after the reload.

As John Hearne mentioned... Once the reloads became random there wasn't anyone turning in anything close to a  10 or 11 second time. (Incidentally the record for the Casino Drill is something like 10.33 ) .  

So there it is . It was shot cold - no warmup- 1st thing in the morning . We loaded magazines with 6 , 7 and 8 rounds, mixed up the mags so we wouldn't know which were in the gun and how many rounds were in which mag in which pouch and we shot it 1-6 on the numbered shapes. 

 

 

 

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14 hours ago, Cruel Hand Luke said:

We loaded magazines with 6 , 7 and 8 rounds, mixed up the mags so we wouldn't know which were in the gun and how many rounds were in which mag in which pouch and we shot it 1-6 on the numbered shapes. 

This is just mean!!!

Just joking, I need to try this drill.

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17 hours ago, Cruel Hand Luke said:

For those not familiar with the drill a word of explanation might be in order.....

The Casino Drill was created by Tom Givens as a way of practicing accurate shooting at speed, target discrimination, reloads, and thinking with gun in hand. 

The target is 6 numbered shapes that are shot in order with the same number of rounds as the face value of the target. That is shoot #1 once, #2 twice , #3 three times etc . That adds up to 21 rounds. 

You NORMALLY start with 7 rounds in the gun, seven rounds in a spare mag, and 7 rounds in a second spare mag. (21 rounds) . And par time to "pass" is 21 seconds. So 21 rounds and 2 reloads distributed among 6 different targets in 21 seconds. 

When you first do this drill that accomplishes all of those things it is designed to work. But as you shoot it more and more and become accustomed to it, it simply becomes a race to the pre determined #s where you will reload  and then you just shoot the correct number of rounds left on that target after the reload (3 on #4 and then 1 on #5 after the reload ) and your time is largely effected by whether your reloads are smooth or not and whether you have any misses The having to think is really curtailed by "knowing how to play the game" . 

Now there are a few ways to make it difficult again... You can make them shoot it starting with #6 and working backwards, or you can make them change the #of rounds in the magazines and instead of loading them 7 , 7, 7 you load them 6 , 7 , 8  or any other combo of such. 

Since this was an Instructor level event and everyone there has probably shot it more than once in the past (and some probably practiced shooting it leading up to that weekend) Tom had us shoot it COLD (first thing at 8AM Sunday morning with NO WARMUP) and load mags with 6 , 7, and 8 rounds and then mix up the magazines so that we did not know which was in the gun and which were in which mag pouch. This brought the "randomness" of where to reload and kept you from just racing to the predetermined reload positions without having to involve any mental effort on WHEN to reload and how many more shots were needed on that particular target after the reload.

As John Hearne mentioned... Once the reloads became random there wasn't anyone turning in anything close to a  10 or 11 second time. (Incidentally the record for the Casino Drill is something like 10.33 ) .  

So there it is . It was shot cold - no warmup- 1st thing in the morning . We loaded magazines with 6 , 7 and 8 rounds, mixed up the mags so we wouldn't know which were in the gun and how many rounds were in which mag in which pouch and we shot it 1-6 on the numbered shapes. 

 

 

 

Cool. Does the location of the numbered shapes vary or is it a standard target?

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From the TN/GA/AL Training Group meeting Saturday 7/17/21 

Rastoff's Challenge . The course of fire is ...

4 rounds at 3 yards

6 rounds at 5 yards

6 rounds at 7 yards 

4 rounds at 10 yards

All rounds must be inside the X ring for a perfect score. The X is about 2" by 3" . Breaking the line does NOT go to the higher score.

No time limit. Pure accuracy test. This was the first pistol drill we shot. 

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5x5 Drill  5 rounds at 5 yards in 5 seconds or less on the playing card. We shot the left card from low ready and the right card from the holster from concealment. 

I had a bad trigger press on the one from ready but I was solid on the one from the holster. 

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