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https://wreg.com/2019/12/30/tennessee-gun-law-to-change-in-2020/

NASHVILLE, Tenn.  — Tennessee will soon begin offering a new concealed carry-only handgun permit that doesn’t require an applicant to demonstrate the ability to fire a weapon.

Under the new handgun law, a permit to carry a concealed handgun could be obtained after online training of at least 90 minutes. The current handgun carry permits, to be known as “enhanced handgun carry permits,” would still remain an option. Those permits require eight hours of in-person training with live firing required — a testing procedure that critics say is time-consuming and burdensome.

The National Rifle Association’s legislative arm backed the new measure. But the Tennessee Firearm Association opposed it, contending that other states may refuse to acknowledge Tennessee’s existing handgun carry permits or only the new ones. The group also said adding the permit could get in the way of its goal of permitless carry.

While the bill was being debated during the 2019 legislative session, Democratic lawmakers criticized the bill for its lax rules and testing requirements.

At one point, Senate Minority Leader Jeff Yarbro, a Democrat from Nashville, said he was able to skip an online training course’s videos and finish while the legislative committee he was in advanced the bill. The Tennessee chapter of Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, a nationwide organization working to curb gun violence, also opposed the bill.

In late November, the Tennessee Department of Safety and Homeland Security began accepting applications from vendors seeking to offer online concealed-carry class. Applications must include proof of handgun instructor certification.

The new concealed-carry only permit application would be $65, instead of the enhanced handgun carry permit’s $100 fee. However, that $65 fee does not include the cost of the online course.

As of Friday, the Department of Safety and Homeland Security had approved just two vendors to offer online courses: Clarksville Guns and Archery Tennessee Carry Permit Online School and Tier One Tactics. Both courses cost just under $40.

Only one vendor has been denied approval due to their course being too short, a spokeswoman with the agency confirmed.

Concealed-carry only permit holders cannot carry their weapon on any state college or university campus.

The new law goes into effect Jan. 1. Most new laws are implemented at the beginning of a fiscal year, which kicks off on July 1, but a handful are also scheduled for later if the state needs more time to prepare for the changes.

Other new laws taking effect in Tennessee will:

— Require state employee insurance to cover proton therapy, an alternative treatment for certain cancers. Proton therapy is a highly advanced form of radiation treatment, which uses protons rather than X-rays to treat cancer. Officials say the advantage of proton therapy is that it can be better controlled and deliver higher doses of radiation to tumors with fewer side effects.

— Require any prescription for an opioid to be issued electronically. This law was approved by the Tennessee Legislature in 2018, but the state allowed more time for providers and pharmacies to comply.

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Tier One Tactics is owned and operated by a very longtime personal friend. He’s worked local law enforcement, DEA, and US Air Marshall’s. 

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7 hours ago, The Legion said:

The current handgun carry permits, to be known as “enhanced handgun carry permits,” would still remain an option.

So what does this older, now called "enhanced," permit offer that the new and streamlined permit doesn't?

 

7 hours ago, The Legion said:

But the Tennessee Firearm Association opposed it, contending... the permit could get in the way of its goal of permitless carry.

Bingo. Rather join the 16 states that already have Constitutional carry.

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Leave it to the government to F it up. I have no issue in proving that I can handle a firearm. Goodbye reciprocity. 

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First of all,  many of the Nashville Republicans should have the middle name RINO.  I bet the reason they passed this lousy bill was to hinder efforts to go Constitutional carry like 17 other states have and the Tennessee Firearms Association has been trying to get through for years.
 
The state of North Dakota has already told Tennessee they will not honor the Concealed Carry Only license, only the original Enhanced Carry one.
 
When Tennessee passed concealed carry for military personnel under the age of 21, Minnesota dropped us like a hot potato in lieu of simply denying the lower age carry license.  They took the easy way out so they didn't have to deal with having to determine which permit was which.
 
Now it remains to be seen if the other of the 37 states that honor our permit will drop the lesser of the two permits only or drop us completely.
 
Spend the extra money to remove any potential problems the new permit will bring.
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I for the life of me don’t understand all the negative drama with this permit. It is not a replacement for the one the rest of us have and it was originally aimed at low income that couldn’t afford the fees. (although that didn’t last long)

54 minutes ago, Mousegun said:
The state of North Dakota has already told Tennessee they will not honor the Concealed Carry Only license, only the original Enhanced Carry one.

Good for them. That’s the way it should be. The people getting this permit know that, if they don’t because they can’t read, or were too lazy to ask.

54 minutes ago, Mousegun said:
When Tennessee passed concealed carry for military personnel under the age of 21, Minnesota dropped us like a hot potato in lieu of simply denying the lower age carry license.  They took the easy way out so they didn't have to deal with having to determine which permit was which.

So what? And they didn't take the easy way; there weren’t two permits for them to choose from. And it was handgun carry; not “concealed carry”. (Sorry, but now the difference matters) The choice was let military personnel get an HCP or worry about those states that won’t allow that. The choice was made to allow military personnel to get an HCP and not worry about what other states would do. That was a good choice; I support it. We have a major military base on our states border. I doubt we have 9 people that need to carry in Minnesota. :)

54 minutes ago, Mousegun said:
Spend the extra money to remove any potential problems the new permit will bring.

That's good advice. 

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On 12/30/2019 at 12:55 PM, The Legion said:

Concealed-carry only permit holders cannot carry their weapon on any state college or university campus.

And neither can the Enhanced Permit.  One of the gripes is that the enhanced was a name change only,  not a damn thing was “enhanced.”

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5 hours ago, DaveTN said:

We have a major military base on our states border. I doubt we have 9 people that need to carry in Minnesota. :)

I’m one of the 9 that got hosed in that deal.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

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1 hour ago, Chucktshoes said:

I’m one of the 9 that got hosed in that deal.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

Yep. My mom's side of the family is from Minnesota. I was annoyed when we lost the ability to carry there.

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5 minutes ago, Erik88 said:

Yep. My mom's side of the family is from Minnesota. I was annoyed when we lost the ability to carry there.

There’s two. 

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2 hours ago, Chucktshoes said:

There’s two. 

Both of you together don’t count as one.

 

 

I gotta get back to live PD now...

:leaving:

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