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I just saw this today. Super excited.

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Would love to see/try one!!

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Thanks for the heads up @Garufa. I'll have to watch for one pop up locally. 

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They need to offer it with a longer barrel.

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19 hours ago, hughd said:

So I wonder if the current release is pistol or rifle format only? Off the wall thinking, buy the rifle and get the pistol barrel as a backup. Or vice versa.

Maybe they will offer different length barrels separately later?

Either way, it does look interesting. Personally, I really like the looks of this Ruger release. I would imagine it will put a dent in the PSA PPC sales. 

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2 hours ago, aknifemaker said:

10" barrel would be ideal, would love to try one.

I'd be interested to know at what barrel length the returns in velocity start to diminish. There can't be very many 9x19 rounds designed for use in barrels longer than probably 5-6" or so...

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Well, its got a butt stock. That makes it a carbine, right? But, it's got a short barrel too. I thought carbines had to have a 16.25" barrel minimum.

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24 minutes ago, Quavodus said:

Well, its got a butt stock.

Aftermarket AR "brace" 

How do it know?

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2 hours ago, TomInMN said:

I'd be interested to know at what barrel length the returns in velocity start to diminish. There can't be very many 9x19 rounds designed for use in barrels longer than probably 5-6" or so...

From my experience, carbine-length barrels still give better velocity.  Even a 147 loaded with a small dose of fast burning powder (Hodgdon Titegroup, for example) still gains 100-150 FPS over a Glock 34 and the 34 is probably on the higher end of pistol velocities.  This type of load is the one that should not, theoretically, see much (if any) gain.  With some hot-loaded 115s, the gain will probably be even more.

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Wonder what the odds of finding one right now are...

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8 minutes ago, deerslayer said:

Wonder what the odds of finding one right now are...

Guy on gunbroker has 6 available for the low low price of $799 each! :rock:

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2 minutes ago, deerslayer said:

Wow, figured it would be MSRP + $$$

I don't see any of the mainstream dealers jacking up prices. They are just limited in what they have.

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barrel length Cor Bon
90 gr.
JHP +P
Cor Bon
115 gr.
JHP +P
Cor Bon
125 gr.
JHP +P
Cor Bon
115 gr.
DPX
Federal
115 gr.
JHP
Federal
135 gr.
Hydra-
Shok
JHP
low recoil
Federal
105 gr.
Expand'g
FMJ
Federal
124 gr.
Hydra-
Shok
JHP
Federal
147 gr.
Hydra-
Shok
JHP
Speer
124 gr.
Gold Dot
Short
Barrel
18" 1754 1543 1449 1458 1297 1194 1370 1231 1083 1395
17" 1766 1550 1421 1455 1320 1207 1381 1250 1096 1400
16" 1740 1525 1430 1476 1295 1185 1358 1243 1073 1379
15" 1768 1536 1392 1416 1304 1194 1364 1244 1090 1375
14" 1767 1532 1405 1440 1295 1182 1372 1241 1090 1390
13" 1738 1517 1477 1427 1281 1183 1343 1237 1081 1378
12" 1716 1514 1385 1380 1282 1184 1273 1225 1081 1361
11" 1690 1496 1372 1391 1268 1166 1318 1212 1059 1360
10" 1647 1474 1372 1379 1253 1167 1314 1211 1067 1338
9" 1663 1476 1369 1377 1238 1161 1307 1212 1055 1345
8" 1634 1458 1366 1366 1234 1145 1278 1180 1047 1329
7" 1619 1446 1329 1350 1223 1136 1258 1161 1040 1316
6" 1566 1402 1312 1332 1188 1113 1235 1131 1030 1284
5" 1539 1372 1282 1315 1166 1085 1194 1115 1007 1259
4" 1444 1316 1226 1265 1094 1039 1140 1061 951 1203
3" 1345 1245 1170 1215 1029 976 1073 988 902 1108
2" 1215 1134 1061 1132 948 909 985 900 837 1074

here's a comparison of some 9mm bullets vs barrel length found it on a web page

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@aknifemaker thanks for that chart. I noticed that, between 14" and 18" more than one of the loads has speeds go up and down and then up again. That seems odd to me...

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Right around 17" is about right for good velocity. I'd imagine with slower powder handloads it might be better in a carbine.

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4 hours ago, TomInMN said:

@aknifemaker thanks for that chart. I noticed that, between 14" and 18" more than one of the loads has speeds go up and down and then up again. That seems odd to me...

The round has probably pretty much shot its wad at 14" and the velocities at 15, 16, 17, and 18 all reflect basically the same velocity when you account for standard deviation and extreme spread.  

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The barrel from this and the carbine are interchangeable, from a technical standpoint. from a legal standpoint, i believe its only allowed one way. 

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I think this would be good alternative to the glock mag AR platforms out there just from a cost/reliability standpoint.  I also like the idea of getting one of the side folding pic braces to thrown on this thing.  Would make a fun little package and a good "truck gun" type weapon especially for folks who carry a glock and have a couple of mags already.

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On 3/23/2020 at 12:55 PM, TomInMN said:

I'd be interested to know at what barrel length the returns in velocity start to diminish. There can't be very many 9x19 rounds designed for use in barrels longer than probably 5-6" or so...

From what I researched long ago when I built my first 9mm AR you don’t gain anything velocity wise after about 9” (again it’s been awhile so I could be off) ...that’s where oddball ammo like that fbi contract +p+ shines...even though in a pistol it’s gains are negligible relative to the increase in pressure. 

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On 3/23/2020 at 11:26 AM, hipower said:

So I wonder if the current release is pistol or rifle format only? Off the wall thinking, buy the rifle and get the pistol barrel as a backup. Or vice versa.

Maybe they will offer different length barrels separately later?

Either way, it does look interesting. Personally, I really like the looks of this Ruger release. I would imagine it will put a dent in the PSA PPC sales. 

I don’t think it would put a dent at all in the PSA PS5 sales (if it ever sees the light of day) as blowback action is so inferior recoil wise to the delayed roller action that the PS5 promises.  I’ve honestly never been too thrilled with any of these PCC’s that run normal blowback the recoil is usually more than an AR and you lose a ton of stopping power.

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