Woohoo idiot Confederate Flag carrier not from south!

[Garufa]

49 minutes ago, papa61 said:

They are not "rednecks" as Patrick Huber labeled them in 1995. They are just ignorant.

from WV Public broadcasting:

Mingo County native, Wilma Lee Steele, is one of the board members for the West Virginia Mine Wars Museum. Steele is a retired art teacher. For her the passion of sharing this history started from telling young activists about the history behind the word "redneck" and the red bandana. Striking miners tied Red Bandanas around their necks during the march on Blair Mountain.

"Rednecks" are folks that work out in the fields I always heard with no sun protection on their necks, but that is irrelevant.

Google redneck now and question any "definition" you get from the internet again.  I just took this screenshot....

 

[Quavodus]

Yeah, somewhere along the line, the term "Redneck" became a southerner with no education and no class. A lot of people even like the word now. I have no problem with it. 

[Quavodus]

21 hours ago, Grayfox54 said:

It really pisses me off that the Confederate Battle Flag has been turned into a symbol of hate. I happen to be proud of my Southern Heritage, but I don't dare show it without people judging me wrongly. 

Another thing is the Celebrate Diversity thing. Be proud of your heritage, family history, national lineage, etc. Except of course if you happen to a Southern, White American. In that case its perfectly acceptable to discriminate and automatically assume that person is a racist, anti-government idiot. 

Equality is for other people. 

I hate it too that, that particular flag has became so hated. Most people that hate that flag don't know that there are a lot of other flags that were used during the War Between the States. I could fly one of them at my house and most wouldn't have any idea what it was. 

[papa61]

2 minutes ago, Garufa said:

"Rednecks" are folks that work out in the fields I always heard with no sun protection on their necks, but that is irrelevant.

Google redneck now and question any "definition" you get from the internet again.  I just took this screenshot....

 

The original term of redneck was used by union coal miners who wore red bandannas to identify themselves in fights. Later on rednecks were the union enforcers. Check library of congress or printed dictionary that doesn't bend to modern slang usage.

[papa61]

6 minutes ago, Quavodus said:

Yeah, somewhere along the line, the term "Redneck" became a southerner with no education and no class. A lot of people even like the word now. I have no problem with it. 

I'd prefer hillbilly since my family settled in the hills on the lower plateau. That family is Irish on one side, English and Cherokee on the other.

In modern slang terms I'm a damned yankee since I was born in Toledo, Ohio.

[Chucktshoes]

4 minutes ago, Quavodus said:

I hate it too that, that particular flag has became so hated. Most people that hate that flag don't know that there are a lot of other flags that were used during the War Between the States. I could fly one of them at my house and most wouldn't have any idea what it was. 

Bonnie Blue?

[Garufa]

1 minute ago, papa61 said:

The original term of redneck was used by union coal miners who wore red bandannas to identify themselves in fights. Later on rednecks were the union enforcers. Check library of congress or printed dictionary that doesn't bend to modern slang usage.

Yes, as you posted before.

So are rednecks “political reactionaries” as the current internet definition defines them as?

 

[papa61]

6 minutes ago, Quavodus said:

I hate it too that, that particular flag has became so hated. Most people that hate that flag don't know that there are a lot of other flags that were used during the War Between the States. I could fly one of them at my house and most wouldn't have any idea what it was. 

They were all flying on Lookout Mountain last time I was there.

Oddly enough the stars and bars we see as the Confederate battle flag was the Tennessee battle flag, that is why I liked it, that and I've always been a rebel.

[papa61]

3 minutes ago, Garufa said:

Yes, as you posted before.

So are rednecks “political reactionaries” as the current internet definition defines them as?

 

I would say the tern fits considering how radical for the times a coal miners union was

[papa61]

read it turn or term as either would fit LOL

 

[McGarrett]

1 hour ago, Garufa said:

 

As far as "treasonous secessionists" goes, where does it say a State cannot secede from the union?

I’m no Constitutional scholar but it makes for some Interesting reading 

Articles of Confederation 

Article XIII. Every State shall abide by the determinations of the united states, in congress assembled, on all questions which by this confederation are submitted to them. And the Articles of this confederation shall be inviolably observed by every state, and the union shall be perpetual; nor shall any alteration at any time hereafter be made in any of them, unless such alteration be agreed to in a congress of the united states, and be afterwards con-firmed by the legislatures of every state

Constitution

Article. VI.

All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

[papa61]

I would have to re read the articles of confederation as it's been 30 years. But the Constitution was written to help equalize and solidify the union after Shay's rebellion. But my High School history teacher taught that the right to secede was shaky. 

[McGarrett]

Shay’s rebellion and the Whiskey rebellion are both interesting reading as well, you can learn a lot through studying history. I don’t think you would have convinced me of that when I was in school.

[papa61]

me neither. I still remember people and happenings but not dates. The dates are unimportant other than to know what else was happening at the time.

[Daniel]

2 hours ago, alleycat72 said:

You're on land taken from Indians. You should be ashamed of yourself. You support the murder and relocation of indigenous people. You're ancestors are probably the ones that gave infected blankets to Indians. I mean,...... if we are making assumptions and all.

Certainly possible.  I happen to have done some genealogy and have tracked my family name.  George Adam Kastner 1698-1767. Originally from the Southern Rhine Country in Germany emigrated to the colonies through Pennsylvania and finally setting along the South Fork River in Gaston County, North Carolina.  My Great Grandmother's family, the Sparks, were from Cades Cove.  I can support my "heritage" while not flying any sort of confederate trash because they remained loyal.  

Edited January 16, 2021 by Daniel

[Chucktshoes]

30 minutes ago, Daniel said:

Certainly possible.  I happen to have done some genealogy and have tracked my family name.  George Adam Kastner 1698-1767. Originally from the Southern Rhine Country in Germany emigrated to the colonies through Pennsylvania and finally setting along the South Fork River in Gaston County, North Carolina.  My Great Grandmother's family, the Sparks, were from Cades Cove.  I can support my "heritage" while not flying any sort of confederate trash because they remained loyal.  

I suspected you were really a yankee.

Edited January 16, 2021 by Chucktshoes

[MacGyver]

This thread is going to last about another 10 minutes...

[No_0ne]

"As far as "treasonous secessionists" goes, where does it say a State cannot secede from the union?"

In the case mentioned earlier, Texas v. White, the SCOTUS ruling can be briefly summarized as this:  While the adoption of the Constitution basically replaced many of the Articles of Confederation as the founding document of the Republic, nothing in the Constitution ever revoked or made null the precepts of the Articles.  Since one of the tenets of the Articles of Confederation was the concept that the Union of the States was perpetual and irrevocable, and the preamble to the Constitution stated that the Union should be made "more perfect", the notion that a State may arbitrarily secede from the Union was incorrect and violated both the Articles and the subsequent Constitution.  As one justice noted, a "perpetual union", made "more perfect" was inviolable and permanent.  The ruling further noted that the only exceptions to this perpetual Union would be by a unanimous consent of the remaining states to allow another to secede, or by a successful revolution, as noted in the Declaration of Independence.  In 1869, when handing down this opinion, SCOTUS also pointed out that neither of these exceptions had occurred, as the seceding states had not obtained the consent of all the others prior to their attempt to leave the Union, and their insurrection had failed as well, therefore their actions in attempting to withdraw from the Union of States established by the Articles of Confederation and the later Constitution were illegal and unconstitutional, as were the actions taken during the insurrection.  To date, no opinion of any Federal Court has taken issue with this ruling, and the official interpretation of secession remains that it constitutes an illegal act in violation of the Constitution of the United States.

Edited January 16, 2021 by No_0ne

[hipower]

2 hours ago, papa61 said:

I'd prefer hillbilly since my family settled in the hills on the lower plateau. That family is Irish on one side, English and Cherokee on the other.

In modern slang terms I'm a damned yankee since I was born in Toledo, Ohio.

Sounds a great deal like my family tree...except I gots none o' thet damn yankee blood on me. Jest a buncha Cherokee injun blood!

Edited January 16, 2021 by hipower

[Erik88]

10 hours ago, Daniel said:

Certainly possible.  I happen to have done some genealogy and have tracked my family name.  George Adam Kastner 1698-1767. Originally from the Southern Rhine Country in Germany emigrated to the colonies through Pennsylvania and finally setting along the South Fork River in Gaston County, North Carolina.  My Great Grandmother's family, the Sparks, were from Cades Cove.  I can support my "heritage" while not flying any sort of confederate trash because they remained loyal.  

 

That's really neat. I've been trying to start some research but it's slow going. I'd like to do the DNA swab but don't really want to be in a database. 

[papa61]

Thanks for the SCOTUS ruling NO_ONE. I knew someone would find it. So we can't separate ourselves from the guvment, what is the recourse when they no longer serve the people? 

 

[FUJIMO]

1 hour ago, Erik88 said:

 

That's really neat. I've been trying to start some research but it's slow going. I'd like to do the DNA swab but don't really want to be in a database. 

Funny you should mention that. Ive noticed a huge push lately with mailing your DNA in to find your ancestory. Since I'm born and raised RIGHT HERE I'm content with adhering to the Rafe Hollister ancestory logic .

[Alleycat72]

4 minutes ago, FUJIMO said:

Funny you should mention that. Ive noticed a huge push lately with mailing your DNA in to find your ancestory. Since I'm born and raised RIGHT HERE I'm content with adhering to the Rafe Hollister ancestory logic .

My Daughter had it done. We've been lied to by my family. LOL

[FUJIMO]

1 minute ago, alleycat72 said:

My Daughter had it done. We've been lied to by my family. LOL

Southern heritage is usually confederate war hero and Cherokee princess. At least that's mine

[No_0ne]

21 minutes ago, papa61 said:

Thanks for the SCOTUS ruling NO_ONE. I knew someone would find it. So we can't separate ourselves from the guvment, what is the recourse when they no longer serve the people? 

 

Well, there's always voting ...