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Michelle Bachman derails her own Presidential campaign

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I hope you're not using the term RINO to describe somebody doesn't have some religious/moral agenda. They need to be worried about running the country. Sooner or later, somebody is going to have to deal with the stuff that matters. I don't CARE if homos get married.
+1 We have bigger fish to fry.

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:clap:But God forbid that a conservative Christian with moral values gets elected. :cheers:
Are any of them running for office?

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I have no problem at all with pledging to ban Sharia Law. It is in direct conflict with our Constitution and there have been cases in the US where American courts have actually considered Sharia law in ruling on criminal cases. Sharia has NO place in American society. The other two "bans" are a great way to commit political suicide, and I have now abandoned my support for Bachmann. Porn is protected by the 1st Amendment, and I believe that gay people have the same rights as heterosexual couples to marry. So that pretty much covers that.

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Any of the current choices will be better than Obama. The main goal is to take him down. "One-term-Obama" sounds good to me. Taking control of the senate is #2. The liberal/progressives must go. All this has to happen before we'll see policies to put the country back on sound economic footing. Don't let the media distract you with the social issues. They want Obama's opposition to be their choice. Someone they think is unelectable. If things continue going down hill on the economic side and foreign policy side, it will only make his defeat that much better. I would like to see a sound defeat, a mandate rejecting his policies.

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I'll vote for whoever is running against Obama.
This is the reason we need to elect the most conservative canidate in the primary.IMHO, Obama is beat.

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Are any of them running for office?

Sure are, and they'll ban porn to prove it

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They can't ban porn.That's for the supreme court to decide.You know the court were 4 out of 9 judges think you don't have the right to bear arms.I would trade porn for guns any day.I can't defend my basic rights or feed my family with porn.

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Are any of them running for office?

Ron Paul?

I have not abandoned my support for Bachmann. Out of those currently in the race, I believe she better than a lot of them, especially Romney and Huntsman.

I have no problem with a Christian conservative running for the office as long as they are also a constitutionalist. I won't say that I enthusiastically support gay marriage, but that issue should be left up to local and state governments. The federal government should stay out of the marriage business altogether. The same goes for porn.

In regards to Sharia law, yes I agree that Sharia law conflicts with our constitution and should have no place within our society. As I stated earlier, Bachmann took an oath to uphold the constitution, and that should cover the Sharia law issue. So, signing the pledge based on that one issue alone would be unnecessary.

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They can't ban porn.That's for the supreme court to decide.You know the court were 4 out of 9 judges think you don't have the right to bear arms.I would trade porn for guns any day.I can't defend my basic rights or feed my family with porn.

They are signing a pledge to support a Constitutional amendment. Clearly, no single politician will ever be able to do that on their own and there's no way Americans will support it enough for it to actually pass, but to see any politicians pulling a political stunt like this speaks volumes.

I have no problem with a Christian conservative running for the office as long as they are also a constitutionalist.

But this shows that Bachmann and Santorum are not constitutionalists. They are advocating a Constitutional amendment to ban porn and gay marriage. If they are willing to pick and choose "moral" issues to use the power of government to restrict without a Constitutional argument to go with it, they are not constitutionalists. They are politicians using government to push their own agendas. Living in a free nation means we not only tolerate behaviors we don't necessarily agree with, but we actively defend these behaviors because we are only one politician away from them wanting to ban something WE do that they find objectionable.

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They can't ban porn.That's for the supreme court to decide.You know the court were 4 out of 9 judges think you don't have the right to bear arms.I would trade porn for guns any day.I can't defend my basic rights or feed my family with porn.

You need a better camera. And some lights. There is no satiating the market for porn.

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But this shows that Bachmann and Santorum are not constitutionalists. They are advocating a Constitutional amendment to ban porn and gay marriage. If they are willing to pick and choose "moral" issues to use the power of government to restrict without a Constitutional argument to go with it, they are not constitutionalists. They are politicians using government to push their own agendas. Living in a free nation means we not only tolerate behaviors we don't necessarily agree with, but we actively defend these behaviors because we are only one politician away from them wanting to ban something WE do that they find objectionable.

I don't care for frothy or Bachmann. I don't like their positions on freedoms and they both seem a bit slow to me. That said if what they want is a constitutional amendment then that is the way to go about it.

I like guns and all that, I understand that some people don't. Here it is easy to deride the people that disagree but I will refrain, I will assume that they just feel that way after introspection. So great I disagree. What I disagree with more than their position is how they go about it. They are free to amend the constitution, if you want to take away or add a right that is how it works. Lawing me to death just makes exercising my rights a bigger hassle.

I don't imagine that they would just fight for an amendment to stop porno or whatever, I suspect (and I don't know this to be true) that they would misuse the position to law their way to their goals. I don't really like that idea. Especially from those two.

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.... I won't say that I enthusiastically support gay marriage, but that issue should be left up to local and state governments. The federal government should stay out of the marriage business altogether. ....

It's a national equal rights issue, not just a local one. Marriage affects all kinds of federal matters, Social Security survivor benefits, military spousal benefits, Medicare, being able to file taxes jointly, etc. Forget moral, it's a real world issue.

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You all know that we need someone strong enough to stand up for what they believe in.If we don't get someone like that we get socialism light, again.Do you really think she would be able to pass such things through congress.I say,get the most rightwing conservative in there and it might balance things out.We must stand together on our principles and forget this petty bull.

The same can be said about Obama. The Dems will lose even more seats in the House and Senate in 2012 and Obama would be handcuffed if he did get a second term. If the Republicans have their heads far enough up their own arses to actually nominate a pseudo nazi then I would go with the socialist. Hopefully, they will go with Romney. I am a moderate republican....fiscally conservative and socially moderate. The validity of my marriage is in no way compromised by gay marriage. Porn is GOOD my wife and I enjoy it together and individually. Extremist Islam is a cancer that will only get worse until society decides it is okay to be the dick and actively pursue the absolute eradication of it from the world. That said, as long as muslims follow their religous tenents without breaking any of the laws clearly established by the US constitution then I support their right to freedom of religion. Extremist anything is counterproductive to progress it elicits extreme resistance. The only people that are ever gonna get anything accomplished will be those that can govern from the center.

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The same can be said about Obama. The Dems will lose even more seats in the House and Senate in 2012 and Obama would be handcuffed if he did get a second term. If the Republicans have their heads far enough up their own arses to actually nominate a pseudo nazi then I would go with the socialist. Hopefully, they will go with Romney. I am a moderate republican....fiscally conservative and socially moderate. The validity of my marriage is in no way compromised by gay marriage. Porn is GOOD my wife and I enjoy it together and individually. Extremist Islam is a cancer that will only get worse until society decides it is okay to be the dick and actively pursue the absolute eradication of it from the world. That said, as long as muslims follow their religous tenents without breaking any of the laws clearly established by the US constitution then I support their right to freedom of religion. Extremist anything is counterproductive to progress it elicits extreme resistance. The only people that are ever gonna get anything accomplished will be those that can govern from the center.

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Extremist Islam is a cancer that will only get worse until society decides it is okay to be the dick and actively pursue the absolute eradication of it from the world.

What was that you said about Nazi's?Really We need a hard core conservative like Reagan or We will be in another depression.Social issues are up to the local and state gov. We need less federal gov. Enough that they can't tell us how to live.

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You're all splitting hairs. Jimmuh Carter was a better president than Obama. Not the best president I can imagine, but loads better than Obama.

We're not going to get another Reagan. We're not going to get a 'right-wing Nazi'. We'll get someone who is too liberal for some tastes and too conservative for others. Either will be much preferable to the Emperor Obama.

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Bachmann has the guts to take a stand, when so many politicians are mealy-mouthed regarding moral standards.

If she gets the GOP/Tea Party/whatever nomination, she will get my vote.

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It's a national equal rights issue, not just a local one. Marriage affects all kinds of federal matters, Social Security survivor benefits, military spousal benefits, Medicare, being able to file taxes jointly, etc. Forget moral, it's a real world issue.

- OS

As I said, the federal government should stay out of the marriage business altogether. One should be able have the same rights and/or benefits in a contract between two people (gay or not). I don't think the religious institution of marriage should have anything to do with it.

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Porn is GOOD my wife and I enjoy it together and individually.

You and your wife may like that stuff, but there is nothing good about porn.

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Sharia Law? Good. Gays? Whatever, doesnt bother me but dont care one way or the other.

But mah pr0n? She can go to hell. She can go to hell and die.

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Why even care about anything any of these self loathing politicians say or do to get public praise/votes.

For me I'm voting beans and bullets with my wallet backing it up. I'm too far gone with the doom and gloom crowd to care what some elected toolbox wants to do with our country. They maybe noble, but the Washington machine will tear em' up. Oligarchy is what we are. I use to care but now just worry about me and mine and how "we" will be judged when its time by the only judge that matters. I have lots of work to do for the sake of my own soul and very little to NO time to worry about Washington and the ilk that reside there.

Carry on.

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Extremist Islam is a cancer that will only get worse until society decides it is okay to be the dick and actively pursue the absolute eradication of it from the world.

What was that you said about Nazi's?Really We need a hard core conservative like Reagan or We will be in another depression.Social issues are up to the local and state gov. We need less federal gov. Enough that they can't tell us how to live.

Context, context, context.... you really should use the entire statement not just a piece. Extremist Islamist terrorists are soldiers in a war against all non muslims. They are muderers and deserve no quarter. Fighting a war against those that actively pursue to kill others based solely on religous zealotry is quite different than persecuting people based solely on religous beliefs or sexual orientation.

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Why even care about anything any of these self loathing politicians say or do to get public praise/votes.

For me I'm voting beans and bullets with my wallet backing it up. I'm too far gone with the doom and gloom crowd to care what some elected toolbox wants to do with our country. They maybe noble, but the Washington machine will tear em' up. Oligarchy is what we are. I use to care but now just worry about me and mine and how "we" will be judged when its time by the only judge that matters. I have lots of work to do for the sake of my own soul and very little to NO time to worry about Washington and the ilk that reside there.

Carry on.

Amen!

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Why even care about anything any of these self loathing politicians say or do to get public praise/votes.

For me I'm voting beans and bullets with my wallet backing it up. I'm too far gone with the doom and gloom crowd to care what some elected toolbox wants to do with our country. They maybe noble, but the Washington machine will tear em' up. Oligarchy is what we are. I use to care but now just worry about me and mine and how "we" will be judged when its time by the only judge that matters. I have lots of work to do for the sake of my own soul and very little to NO time to worry about Washington and the ilk that reside there.

Carry on.

^^^THIS^^^

I will however still vote...not yet sure FOR who.... but definitely sure against who

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