Boehner is a train wreck, especially with budgets

[Guest 6.8 AR]

If he came together with Patty Murray on a budget deal, he should have taken another drink.

How can you cut deficits with higher spending. This article should have said that he is using us

Americans as the fools.

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/budget-deal-boehner-conservative-groups-heritage-club-for-growth-2013-12

 

I wish he would just go somewhere and cry by himself.

[Hozzie]

I don't think it is that bad of deal.  If the Republicans want any chance of winning a majority of seats and even the Presidency, then they can't always be seen as the "blockers" on everything.  The majority of people are over that.  Yes, there are some extra fees on things such as an airline ticket and some federal employees will have to pay more towards their retirement.  Boohoo as far as I am concerned.  I have to pay for my own.

 

I am sick of a crisis every 6 months because there are fringe parts of both parties that won't compromise on anything just because they can.  Do I wish they would blow it all up, sure, but that isn't going to happen.  At least this was a bi-partisan effort even if everyone doesn't like it.  We can wish all we want that things will go back to spending levels 10 years ago, but it isn't going to happen, ever.

Edited December 11, 2013 by Hozzie

[Guest TNSovereignty]

I don't think it is that bad of deal.  If the Republicans want any chance of winning a majority of seats and even the Presidency, then they can't always be seen as the "blockers" on everything.  The majority of people are over that.  Yes, there are some extra fees on things such as an airline ticket and some federal employees will have to pay more towards their retirement.  Boohoo as far as I am concerned.  I have to pay for my own.

 

I am sick of a crisis every 6 months because there are fringe parts of both parties that won't compromise on anything just because they can.  Do I wish they would blow it all up, sure, but that isn't going to happen.  At least this was a bi-partisan effort even if everyone doesn't like it.  We can wish all we want that things will go back to spending levels 10 years ago, but it isn't going to happen, ever.

Yeah, let's just capitulate.  Don't want to be seen as a 'blocker' after all.  Since the right answer isn't going to happen, might as well get behind the compromise.  Looks like other people are getting screwed - not me - so life is good.  If you can't beat the statist thugs who will spend us over the cliff, might as well join them.  Is that what you're saying?

 

The 'crisis' every 6 mos is NOT a crisis ... it's the best thing that could ever happen to us.  Starve the federal beast of funds & things just might start to improve.  You say the blow-up isn't going to happen ... I agree, but I think non-action - stasis - is very possible if anti-statists would stand firm.  Federal paralysis - particularly w/ this administration & Congress - is a good thing for liberty-minded people.  

[RobertNashville]

He is a train wreck but nothing is going to change until there are enough true conservatives (of any, either or no party) to effect change.

 

There is still hope for the 2014 elections; but it's a slim one.

[Hozzie]

Yeah, let's just capitulate.  Don't want to be seen as a 'blocker' after all.  Since the right answer isn't going to happen, might as well get behind the compromise.  Looks like other people are getting screwed - not me - so life is good.  If you can't beat the statist thugs who will spend us over the cliff, might as well join them.  Is that what you're saying?

 

The 'crisis' every 6 mos is NOT a crisis ... it's the best thing that could ever happen to us.  Starve the federal beast of funds & things just might start to improve.  You say the blow-up isn't going to happen ... I agree, but I think non-action - stasis - is very possible if anti-statists would stand firm.  Federal paralysis - particularly w/ this administration & Congress - is a good thing for liberty-minded people.  

 

I am not saying that at all, I am saying sometimes you have to give to receive.  If you think there is any chance Republicans can gain any control ever again, they need to change their tactics.  It's clear to anyone watching that what they have been doing is not working.  If they keep doing what they are doing, they never will gain majority again, and worse I am afraid they may actually lose seats. 

 

In the end most people don't have the balls to do what is needed to turn this around.  It will require people going hungry, homeless, and dying because the government won't be there to do everything.  We will turn into Europe, it is only a matter of time.  

Edited December 11, 2013 by Hozzie

[tnguy]

Since the right answer isn't going to happen, might as well get behind the compromise.

 

Yep, that is exactly how we got here. Compromise between the way things are and the way they want them to be. When do we get to cut costs and move in the direction of liberty? That's the kind of compromise I want to see.

[kieefer]

And to think Paul Ryan was helping me swallow Romney during the last election.  :koolaid:

 

What a disappointment.

 

Ted Cruz 2016.  :usa:

 

http://blog.heritage.org/2013/12/11/3-things-you-need-to-know-about-congressional-budget-deal/?utm_source=heritagefoundation&utm_medium=homepage&utm_campaign=headline131211

[RobertNashville]

 

Yep, that is exactly how we got here. Compromise between the way things are and the way they want them to be. When do we get to cut costs and move in the direction of liberty? That's the kind of compromise I want to see.

We'll move back in the direction of liberty when the electorate elects enough men and women who's principles are grounded in the Constitution and who are willing to govern and vote based on those principles...enough of such men and women that they won't need to "compromise".

Until that happens we'll keep getting what we've been getting.

[greenego]

He is a train wreck but nothing is going to change until there are enough true conservatives (of any, either or no party) to effect change.

 

There is still hope for the 2014 elections; but it's a slim one.

This is true. Another government shutdown blamed on the Republicans would end any hope of winning the Senate. The one thing that the Dems really wanted was an extension of expended unemployment benefits. Don't think either said will be happy and far left won't vote for this. 

[Randall53]

The liberals want socialism and Obama wants to kill capitalism and they will never give up nor compromise on that fact. They know they have the media in their pocket and the poor, the unions and a the unemployed middle class, and all the "uninformed" voters, on a string called "entitlements" or a bleeding heart mentality which is their voting block. This is their plan. They can get anything and everything they want one compromise at a time. This is how the political yardstick has moved so far to the left already, by compromise through the years by weak conservatives that have no stomach for a fight and only their best interest at heart. it's always the right that's forced to give in and made to look like they are the uncompromising party by the liberal owned media, even though it's the other way around. They know the bulk of conservatives will fold when slammed by the media who sees to it that the right gets blamed for everything that goes wrong. The right will end up being blamed for Obamacare even though not one republican voted for it. Every time the right compromises, the entire yardstick moves a little more left. Give them 1/4 of what they want 4 times and they've got it all. Like it or not, everything that's happened the past 5 years has taken us a great deal closer to their goal. Would a hard line drawn in the sand take them down? Maybe so 15 years ago. But not anymore. Our "Conservative" reps, using the term loosely, don't have the nads for it and many are standing smack dab where middle of the road liberals stood 15 years ago. Freedom as we know it is in very dire trouble....right where Obama wants it to be.

[Guest TNSovereignty]

I am not saying that at all, I am saying sometimes you have to give to receive.  If you think there is any chance Republicans can gain any control ever again, they need to change their tactics.  It's clear to anyone watching that what they have been doing is not working.  If they keep doing what they are doing, they never will gain majority again, and worse I am afraid they may actually lose seats. 

 

In the end most people don't have the balls to do what is needed to turn this around.  It will require people going hungry, homeless, and dying because the government won't be there to do everything.  We will turn into Europe, it is only a matter of time.  

My apologies for dropping the sledghammer on you - it's not personal.  I just know the wrong answer is to compromise just enough to garner a 50.1% coalition of socialist Dems & statist GOP'ers.  That's the essence of this compromise budget, and we'd be wise to recognize the GOP as the party of surrender.  They bring their dull knife of compromise to the gunfight every time, then raise the white flag of bipartisanship ... and we're supposed to respond w/ enthusiastic support that they averted the crisis?

 

This country's financial mess is like a ship ready to capsize in a sea of  #^it ... the Dems keep drilling holes in the hull, while the GOP'ers are trying to bail w/ a teaspoon.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

The liberals want socialism and Obama wants to kill capitalism and they will never give up nor compromise on that fact. They know they have the media in their pocket and the poor, the unions and a the unemployed middle class, and all the "uninformed" voters, on a string called "entitlements" or a bleeding heart mentality which is their voting block. This is their plan. They can get anything and everything they want one compromise at a time. This is how the political yardstick has moved so far to the left already, by compromise through the years by weak conservatives that have no stomach for a fight and only their best interest at heart. it's always the right that's forced to give in and made to look like they are the uncompromising party by the liberal owned media, even though it's the other way around. They know the bulk of conservatives will fold when slammed by the media who sees to it that the right gets blamed for everything that goes wrong. The right will end up being blamed for Obamacare even though not one republican voted for it. Every time the right compromises, the entire yardstick moves a little more left. Give them 1/4 of what they want 4 times and they've got it all. Like it or not, everything that's happened the past 5 years has taken us a great deal closer to their goal. Would a hard line drawn in the sand take them down? Maybe so 15 years ago. But not anymore. Our "Conservative" reps, using the term loosely, don't have the nads for it and many are standing smack dab where middle of the road liberals stood 15 years ago. Freedom as we know it is in very dire trouble....right where Obama wants it to be.

So that group of recently elected conservatives
who killed the last compromise won't be around
to kill this one? The speculation within thinks so,
and I hope to see it again and again until Boehner
gets replaced. The trouble we are in is that enough weren't elected much earlier and the Dems were allowed to get ACA through. This
budget thing has been going on since Obama's
first days.

[tnguy]

The one thing that the Dems really wanted was an extension of expended unemployment benefits. Don't think either said will be happy and far left won't vote for this. 

 

I don't think so. It's just a bargaining chip they were willing to give up in order to get increased spending overall. They are experts at such maneuvers.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Nor will the far right, you know, those terrorists? Boehner, Cantor and Ryan are the problem. They should be barred from leadership,

except in the Democrat Party. The liberals in the Republican Party need to start compromising with the conservatives by letting the

conservatives lead the party for a change.

 

But since there is no budget to work on, I don't see the point in any of this.

Edited December 12, 2013 by 6.8 AR

[kieefer]

Does anyone else feel we lost the House too? I mean they fought to kill obamacare, without success, but you could easily say that-that was the reason the Republicans were voted in and why we have the majority.

So, WTF, they send up this tax and spend budget like they have given up. One that actually further funds obamacare. 

 

Or maybe it's just games with them, "we (Senate) will oppose something that House will shut the government down with and next time you (House) can send something to us that we will oppose. It will look good for next years election, yea that sounds good."

 

They are definitely playing us for fools. 

 

We are so screwed. 

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I don't think we've lost the House. It's the same three in the House causing the continuous problem. Boehnor, Cantor and Ryan

are the road blocks. They're even working more with Democrats than Republicans. It's the leadership in the House that needs

to go away.

[Oh Shoot]

Does anyone else feel we lost the House too? I mean they fought to kill obamacare, without success, but you could easily say that-that was the reason the Republicans were voted in and why we have the majority.

So, WTF, they send up this tax and spend budget like they have given up. One that actually further funds obamacare. 

 

Or maybe it's just games with them, "we (Senate) will oppose something that House will shut the government down with and next time you (House) can send something to us that we will oppose. It will look good for next years election, yea that sounds good."

 

They are definitely playing us for fools. 

 

We are so screwed. 

 

Well, they managed to knock about 1.5 million folks off extended unemployment starting right after Xmas with their bill. Of course, there's 1.5million + rest of relatives votes gone, too, if they weren't already.

 

Maybe they should have "shut down" gummit again, then many wouldn't even have had to spend any money for 2014 race, as they could just go ahead and concede?

 

- OS

Edited December 14, 2013 by Oh Shoot

[kieefer]

I don't think we've lost the House. It's the same three in the House causing the continuous problem. Boehnor, Cantor and Ryan

are the road blocks. They're even working more with Democrats than Republicans. It's the leadership in the House that needs

to go away.

 

Hard for me to see that the lame leadership could twist that many arms to push it through, especially after the last escapade.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/dec-2013-budget-vote/

[Guest 6.8 AR]

It's up to the Speaker what gets voted on. Boehner liked Ryan's garbage with Murray. He probably didn't allow committee to come up with anything else. This is all the leadership's fault.
Boehner is Pelosi in drag.

Besides, it's just more game playing so someone
can vote for something but say they were against
it, somehow or another. Ryan sure is one bald
faced liar, isn't he? Edited December 14, 2013 by 6.8 AR

[kieefer]

True, I thought Ryan had his head on straight about all this spending and out of control government mess.

I had him pegged as a leader in this fight. Not any more.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

We really need a House Speaker with conservative conviction. Boehner hasn't led
the House once. Cantor and Ryan are only
"Speakers in Waiting", also. The three are just
RINOs. There are enough conservatives to
get the job done in the House, but only with the
right leadership.

[mav]

I think Boehner needs to switch from Camels to Virginia Slims or Capri. If you are gonna act like a pussy, might as well smoke like one. :-)

Edited December 14, 2013 by mav

[Oh Shoot]

You know, guys, if by some miracle the GOP runs say, a Paul/Cruz ticket or similar, I think you're going to be amazed at just how conservative this country isn't.

 

- OS

[mav]

You know, guys, if by some miracle the GOP runs say, a Paul/Cruz ticket or similar, I think you're going to be amazed at just how conservative this country isn't.
 
- OS

I wouldn't be amazed. I would just rather lose with one of them instead of losing with someone like Christie or Jeb.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Doubtful we would see that ticket, Mac, but I will
vote for it if it happened. I am much more concerned with getting the senate and House.

Too many ifs, right now, like if we even have a
republic by then. We may be a monarchy by then!
A monarchy with a lot of paper they used to call money.