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I saw the security video. They were hauling some serious speed. They snapped a light pole like a twig, subsequently took a second tree out before smashing into something large enough to cut a Porche in half and set it on fire. Don't be f'ng rediculous. They were going well over 100 mph to snap a light pole and still have enough energy to take out a second tree and hit a third object fast enough to do the damage they did. Forgive me if I don't classify this under "tragedy".
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I guess the witnesses seeing a 'single speeding car' were lying, then. It was the car's fault - they were doing the 45mph speed limit and the car spun out and was nearly cut in half while taking down a light pole. Stupid car.
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So you think the car just lost control on its own, eh?Eh? Wasn't racing... Wasn't speeding ... Wasn't even driving .... Was out at a charity support event for his charity .... I don't see any stupid games that were played ... Just my opinion
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Meh - play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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Great news, made my day!
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Prayers lifted, TDR...
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Win.To make it simple, if you can't interpret their message to determine their real intent, then the message is for you. You are the people they don't want there.
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LOL, do you really think they're concerned with CC? If it's concealed, why would they care?The same could be said as to why he didn't write a one line statement saying "no open carry allowed".
If this was ONLY about OC and nothing else they would have stated that.
They care because the kwik-wannabes couldn't control themselves and forced their hand.
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Yup, and it was welcome before, until the OCing idiots had to force their hand, despite the fact SB made it clear they'd rather not play.Yes, that's the line that many seem to have missed. They are stating that your gun, either open or concealed, is NOT welcome in their place of business.
I'd like to hope these 'activists' would learn from this, but based on what I've seen in the gun forums and the feedback on Starbucks' FB page, it doesn't look like that's the case.
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Perfectly stated, thank you.The thing about Starbuck's letter, and their public posting of it, is that it is literally a shot across gun owners' bows.
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Were any of them concealed-carrying? I'm guessing it's tough to CC a shotgun or an AR, but I'm not a bright man...So that's in then? Open carry and nothing else caused this? I agree a select group of D bags made things much much worse by bringing AR's and shotguns into the store but there were other considerations as well. That I'm sure of.
Look, dice however you wish - obviously OC is a hot-buttom for you. Thats fine, we get it - doesn't change the fact that the douche bags who caused this were all OCers. If you somehow feel vilified by that, I can't do anything about that. Unless you were one of the clowns who showed up at SB OCing on one of those dates thinking that buying one cup of coffee and a danish would have some sort of impact aside from scaring the soccer mom who isn't accustomed to see a bunch of armed folks walking around, then you're good to go - OC at will.
If you *were* one of the idiots who thought that this 'show of force' would do anything beneficial, then nothing I can say will begin to register with you... -
*sigh*What I'm trying to say is that throwing your hands up and claiming it's all the open carry crowd's fault is a very simplistic way of looking at this. If this was ONLY about open carry they would have asked everyone to conceal from now on.
It's only about OC because those are the fools who wouldn't let this go. They are the ones who pushed SB's hand in this decision. SB had made ti clear they were happy to sit on the sidelines for this one - a position I respect - yet the Rosa parks wannabes werern't happy leaving well enough alone and just had to force SB's hand in this.
OC isn't the issue, outside of the fact the dillweeds that caused this response were all OCing.-
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So ask yourself why a corporation that made it very clear they wanted to avoid being involved in the issue made this change?Why is everyone trying to split hairs on this? Saying they don't want guns in the store is no different than posting signs. Both send the same message.
It's because the open carry dickweeds were too stupid to hear what Starbucks has been saying - THEY ONLY WANT TO SELL COFFEE.
You're focusing on the fact it was OC folks who did this - and it was - but I'm (we're) not blaming all OC people, just the dim-witted ones who thought SB was a good place to promote the issue.-
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Since you guys are hell bent on blaming open carry why are not not lobbying to have the law changed to concealed only?
If this was about open carry Starbucks would have asked that we only carry concealed. They could have simply banned open carry.
Because the issue revolves around idiots being inappropriate, not open carrying, per se...
Are you being purposefully obtuse or do you really not understand the difference? That's not a rhetorical question, I'd honestly like to know.
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And for the fanbois - how have your carry rights been restricted in the last few years? Despite Obama's general push for more GC laws, we have more freedom now than we've had in DECADES, and it's not from pissing people off and scaring folks who aren't accustomed to firearms...
SMH...
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I never knew TGO had so many Starbucks patrons. This might rile some feathers, but my view is that if you don't frequent Starbucks then this really shouldn't be an issue for you. In my case, I have never been to a Starbucks, and I seriously doubt I will ever go to one. Therefore, whatever policy they choose really doesn't affect me.
As some one who doesn't visit Starbucks with anything resembling regularity, I say this whole issue is still something we can learn from - a company made it CRYSTAL CLEAR that they simply wanted to sell coffee whilst respecting people's rights, and immediately the rabid 2A folks decided they should drag Starbucks into the political fray. Starbucks dealt with it for about a year then decided they would make the most neutral move they could to try to emphasize that they ONLY WANT TO SELL COFFEE to the hard-headed douche bags that think every possible avenue to promote their agenda is acceptable unless / until it's banned and here we are.
So yah, though I don't buy their coffee, it's a learning experience for me - I'll try even harder not to be an idiot when someone tells me they don't want to be involved in my cause, regardless of how strongly I feel about it.
The OC idiots that continued to push this are at fault here. It needs to be repeated over and over; just because you can doesn't mean you should. SB made it clear they didn't want to be involved in this and the OC fanbois pushed them to make a decision.So yah, I don't drink their products, but I totally agree with them. I'm shocked, in fact, that they aren't legally posting is states that allow it.
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I can't stand when someone takes a side and then states they aren't taking sides. It is obvious what Starbucks intent here is.
That said if I want one of their fruity jacked up with caffeine drinks then I will go get one. Until they properly post I will still feel welcome to do so.
Starbucks has repeatedly tried to NOT take sides here, but the open-carrying 'victims' wouldn't listen, so here we are.
If I operated a retail business where one side of a political group couldn't take the VERY CLEAR HINTS that I wanted no part in their political agenda, I'd likely react similarly, if not more forcefully. Even if it involved firearms.
The reality is this is on the back of the open-carry douche bags who wouldn't listen when Starbucks made it clear - THEY ONLY WANT TO SELL COFFEE. So be pissed off if you wish, but make sure you're pissed at the people who deserve it. And that's not Starbucks.
For the record, I'm a coffee snob who cannot recall the last time I bought anything from Starbucks, but I don't blame them one bit for this reaction. Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you're not being a dickweed by doing it...-
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Congrats, "open carry" activists. I seem to remember saying this was going to happen.
Yup. It was obvious something like this would eventually happen. smh
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No need to be passive-aggressive - if you want to talk about me, just use my screen name.There are are number of folks on here...let's call them..."presumptuous elitists" (I've heard that label somewhere before and seems appropriate here :whistle: ) who, when something like this happens, are quick to say "it could never happen to me" (the insinuation being that they somehow are above such mistakes- I just don't buy the infallible act.
And it's not a superiority issue, it's smh at the fact some folks are that cavalier wrt safe handling and storage of firearms. This wasn't a mistake or an accident, it was simply carelessness.
LOL, nice straw man. No one has hinted at perfection, but there are some things that are ALWAYS in your control - safe firearms practice is one of those things.I know that not everyone here would/will do something like this but no one will convince me that there is anyone here who is incapable of it...the last and only perfect person was on earth a LONG time ago; everyone else is more than capable of making a mistake; whether it's a forgotten gun in a piece of luggage (while wrestling with who knows what other details, late arrivals, etc) or forgetting to check the TP status before sitting down. :)
And stop projecting - it's ok if you've screwed up like this before, but it doesn't mean everyone is that careless.-
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Oh, i'm certain this was an accident. It's just insane to me that anyone is that careless with their firearms.Fathom it or not, it happens frequently; call it carelessness or whatever, there is a difference between a mistake and an conscious decision to flaunt the law.
And carelessness is how this happened.
I can absolutely say that will never happen to me, as long as I am of sound mind.And yes, while not everyone here would or ever will make such a mistake everyone her could whether they think so or not.
If sitting on the commode without TP could result in unwanted injury or death then I imagine I'd get into that habit as well.Anyone who thinks they can't make such a stupid mistake I'd like to see a show of hands of all who have ever sat down on the toilet to do their business and only then realized that there was no toilet paper.
Otherwise the comparison is as silly as her apparent attitude regarding firearm safety.-
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I simply can't fathom someone not knowing where all their firearms are at any given time. This sort of 'honest mistake' is merely carelessness.
And no, not everyone here would make this lame-brained mistake.
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who are you referring to? i've got over 30k rounds of various calibers so i know you're not making an ASSumption about me.
Overly defensive much? You ASSume too much, I was just making a point - there are tons of folks posting in this thread castigating those who are part of the free market simply because it doesn't benefit them.
I have more ammo that I will ever use under any possible circumstance and I'm not selling. I just find the moaning from the (generally) 'free market' crowd amusing.
Don't let me get in the way, y'all continue to bash the free market enterprisers whilst you promote pure-free-market capitalism in other threads.
Carry on...
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It seems everybody loves the free market until they get the short end.
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One of the greatest military pics of all time
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Worth noting that 71 years ago today (March 4, 1945), William H. “Bill” Genaust, a Sergeant in the USMC and a war photographer who is most famous for capturing the Flag Raising on Iwo Jima on color film with his 16 millimeter camera, was killed when he entered a darkened cave and was shot to death. He had volunteered to use his camera light so that he could light the way for other marines entering the cave when he was killed. The cave mouth was covered over by bulldozing equipment, and his body was never recovered.