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I finally was able to get to a Rangemaster Instructor course this weekend, after several years of bad luck/timing. It was worth the wait. Tom Givens and Assistant Instructors Dr. Andy Anderson and Jeff Boren were simply fantastic. The facility and staff at Boondocks FTC were truly top of the line.
The three days of coursework, a mix of classroom and range skills, was fairly intense, and the standards are high. Anything under 90% in either the shooting qualification or the written test will be considered a failure, and you will not receive a certificate. While our class outperformed the average washout rate of 15%, we still had one of our number not pass.
I enjoyed getting to know the other students; who were great people and shooters to the last. Considering their skills and professionalism, the class averaged scores of 97.4 on the Qualification and 94.6 on the written test. Given these performances, I was both surprised and excited to receive the class Top Shot Award for the highest average between the two.
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Gotcha. Sorry, I didnt mean to be intrusive; I just didnt want you to get a permit you didnt need.
Best I can find is a list of Utah Certified Instructors by state. Contact information is on there
https://bci.utah.gov/wp-content/uploads/sites/15/2024/04/Certified-Instructors-Out-of-State.pdf
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Might I ask why? Last I checked, technically Tennessee has greater reciprocity than Utah (Source https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/ccw_reciprocity_map/ut-gun-laws/)
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Armed civilians have never shot an innocent party in an active shooter attack, although cops have. Likewise, there is only a very small chance you'll get engaged by responding police officers, because, in the words of Ed Monk, "you'll be on your third cigarette by the time they get there."
There is a single case where the cops mistakenly engaged an armed citizen who had ended an attack. In that instance, the attacker wanted to kill cops specifically, so he self reported an attack before shooting the cop he had eyes on. He was then shot and killed by an armed citizen. However, the Armed citizen then moved forward to secure the weapon and it was at that time the rest of the cops showed up. They saw a dead cop, dead citizen (actually the perp), and a man with a rifle. If either of those two circumstances didnt occur, the number would still be zero.
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9 hours ago, hipower said:
Referencing my second-hand comment on uniforms for Armed Teachers...I am in agreement with you. I don't think it's a good idea. As far as the armed/carrying teacher, well I do like the idea.
BUT, all the comments made here so fa indicate thatmost educators seem to feel the threat/risk of open or concealed carry in a classrom is a bad idea. I can see several scenerios where something could go fubar in a split second. Especially with the kids in many of the school systems today.
So, like you say...probably not much chance of armed tearchers anytime soon.
I still believe the SRO concept is the best and most viable method of providing safer schools and protection from most all forms of "bad actors" in schools.
I really don't understand why so much emphasis is place o the armed teachers when this option is available. Seems like a no-brainer to me. JMO
SROs are doing God's work, and this is intended to augment them, not replace them.
The issue with SROs is a microcosm of the need for concealed carry in society at large. There are simply not enough of them to be everywhere. Statistically, the average active shooting injures or kills 1 person every 10 seconds for the duration of the attack, although the first minute is often many times higher than the last. Therefore, in order to limit casualties to less than 10, we need to stop an attacker in the first 30 seconds. My school is very lucky in the fact that we have 4 full time SROs. But our building is over 400,000 square feet and our property is over 50 acres. A 3 minute response time from SROs already on site would still average nearly 20 casualties.
Think of armed staff as hard points or speed bumps to keep the Attacker engaged, allowing the SROs time to respond while simultaneously reducing casualties
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2 hours ago, MacGyver said:
I know a bunch of teachers - most of whom would jump in front of a bullet without a single hesitation to protect their kids. I don’t know a single one who wants to carry in their classroom.
Plenty of them are pro-gun and carry elsewhere in their lives. They express a host of reservations - everything from that’s not the job they signed up for - to risks associated breaking up fights - to their name being made public and suddenly being all over social media and PTA text threads.
I don’t know of any that have really thought about it and come to the conclusion that it’s worth it.
Every last one of them said some version of, “they don’t trust us with books or curriculum - they’re not going to trust us with guns.”
There is a lot of that for sure, but I have at least 7 others in my building that I’ve spoken to about it that keep asking me when they can get approval.
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5 hours ago, hipower said:
I think you are right, Mac. Such stipulations are pretty heavy for those in the teaching profession. JMO.
Not sure if accurate here...but this afternoon Brian Wilson on WTN referenced the requirements of the bill. During it, he said those teachers who might go thru the process would be required to wear a uniform similar to the LEO since they had to get certified from the Training Academy.
I believe this is wrong on his part, but not completely sure. I couldn't get thru to question him about the comment.
But I think that would be a self-defeating requirement if so. The point of this bill is to have reliable, trained people carrying. But not openly or in uniform I would hope. Such a thing would just make the person a first-priorty target and defeat the purpose of the measure.
Nothing in the text of the bill stipulates that, but there is also nothing that would prevent something like that being a local policy.
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28 minutes ago, MacGyver said:
I'd be willing to bet that one year from today there will not be a single teacher in a public school in Tennessee that is carrying as a result of this bill.
Even if you're all in on this - this bill seems remarkably poorly designed.
It really is. That said, I would greatly appreciate it if yall could start reaching out to your local school and police representatives to try and get some traction on it. One overlooked group that would likely have a lot of influence and speed in which this policy is impemented is the Tennessee School Boards Association, which helps set board policy in 132 of Tennessee's 141 school districts. Messages sent to communications@tsba.net that would encourage a speedy decision on implementing the policy would clear up a large bottle neck.
Additionally, if anyone gets a positive reaction from any one of your local policy makers, please send me a PM so that I can follow up as well.
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24 minutes ago, 300winmag said:
I will be surprised if more than a several hundred public K-12 school employees, besides armed security employees, in the whole state will be carrying handguns a year from now because this bill is so restrictive. The bill is even more restrictive than the public college employee carry law.
The employees will have to get permission from a school principal, school superintendent, and police chief. That is basically a may issue or in most places no issue system right there. There are other unnecessary restrictions even after all these hoops are jumped through and someone is approved and trained.
The bill is not a very pro gun bill.
The politicians could have just legalized K-12 schools and colleges, like Mississippi, for people with an enhanced carry permit but did not.
No, it is not. And its likely to cost me a decent bit of money.
I have reached out to the school principal, school superintendent, local police chief, TN POST Commission, Tennessee School Boards Association, and the local School Board already, and so far each has given me the runaround, saying that they are waiting for one of the other groups to make a decision. No one seems willing to take the ball and run with it.
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1 hour ago, Capbyrd said:
T1G?
Yup. Not as often as I'd like though. They have a habit of scheduling on days I cant take off, lol
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34 minutes ago, pop pop said:
I believe I read, somewhere, that the Covenant shooter, wrote in her journal, she passed on other locations because she thought they had too much security. That should tell us something.
If this becomes the law of our land, there will be a big expense getting the required mandates of this law. Time consuming and training is not cheap.
Thearmededucator, kudos to you. Train yourself well should this come to be the law. Will not be easy. I viewed some of the Ohio required training, in their shoot house, and it is not easy. One really needs a good mindset and be able to make good decisions rapidly. Ohio had several volunteers, and "few" made the whole way and graduated, however that is what the training is for. I have no doubt good people can be trained to do this job. The deterrent effect will be over the top. Even the theater shooter drove past several theaters because they had security and picked his easiest target. If done right it will be successful, IMO.
One of my daughters teachers was armed, with the principals and SRO Officer corporation, the whole 8 years my daughters were in our local elementary school. Then the Sate put schools in a gun free statis and Johnie and the principal retired. We enjoyed a new school building which was constructed with 2 main hallways and built in a U shape. The SRO was always in the entrance, office, and cafeteria wing, and Johnie was in the other education wing at all times. They had radio contact. That was an excellent setup.
Johnie was a Marine during the Vietnam War and had a good head on him. Our Principal was a non- combat veteran also. They both came back from the war and used the G I bill to become educators. Johnie was also the assistant principal. I never worried about my girls at that school. Rutherford County has had SROs in them for years now. We are one of the lucky counties because of the foresight of a Sherrif who set the program in place and funded it many years ago after Columbine. I have confidence this law can be a big benefit if done right.
Edited to add content.
Thank you. I have been a firearms instructor for longer than Ive been teaching, and have taken multiple classes from the likes of Gabe White, Karl Rehn, James Yeager, Ed Monk, and several others; in addition to competition shooting. I also play OPFOR for a company in Arkansas against SWAT teams and high speed military units. It is my goal to actually be the instructor of such training.
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58 minutes ago, deerslayer said:
This could benefit private schools, whom some people argued should not get SROs because they are not publicly funded (not sure why that would matter). The same people would also argue that the private school can't arm itself.
Private schools had already been able to have any firearm policy they wish (The only thing TN likes better than guns is Private Property Rights), provided that armed individuals had a TN ECP.
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I already have my requests in to my principal, chief of police, and school superintendent.
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I did after moving to Alabama and returning
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It should be noted that in the actual text of the bill that all training costs for the 40 hours of yearly, mandated, training "shall be at the expense of the person seeking authorization." As week long courses of this type can easily cost in excess of $1000, this is a significant financial hurdle for otherwise willing applicants. It is one I, personally, am willing to bear, but I feel many will balk at it. I emailed my Representative about creating a grant or scholarship to help offset some of these costs today, and I would appreciate it if you do the same.
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The bill passed. Just waiting on Lee’s signature
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4 hours ago, BigK said:
Just putting this out there...I was talking about this with a school resource officer last night. I learned that most of them are not in favor of this bill because they're concerned about what might happen if an angry armed teacher has to be fired and if the teacher has to break up a fight in a crowded hallway and loses control of their weapon in the scuffle.
I don't lend much credence to the first argument. Carry permit holders on average are typically the model of what being a law-abiding citizen looks like.
I can't say I haven't thought about that second argument, especially in a HS scenario, but weapon retention would surely be part of the required training.
The answer to this is: "What's stopping them (or SROs for that matter) from doing so now?
Concealment is a form retention. Teachers are not required to break up fights. (I do as a personal perrogative, but that calculus would change if I were armed at the time.
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In my school, there are 3 Rangemaster graduates on my hallway alone. I would put those willing to carry about 5-10% of the population of our teachers, which is close to the national average for permit holders.
It’s not about arming teachers, it’s about no longer actively disarming them.
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I’ve not been able to make one there in years. Going to try to make Sunday’s USPSA match though
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4 hours ago, deerslayer said:
Where do you shoot IDPA?
The TWRA Range in Bartlett has matches every other Wednesday. I’m working my way back into it after a 6 year hiatus due to small children.
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Consider this a PSA to inspect your carry gear. In the last 24 hours I’ve noticed my rear sight drifting AND broke my holster (NSR) during an IDPA match.
Sucks, but better to know it now
So now the question is: do I get a new holster now, or since it’s down anyways, just send off that slide to get milled to make the transition to a red dot?
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I am currently reading “Why Meadow Died,” a book that looks into how utterly and completely the victims of the Parkland shooting were failed by the system; and how similar systems continue to do so.
Be prepared to have to put it down in frustration at the world.
https://www.audible.com/pd/1541436563?source_code=ASSORAP0511160006&share_location=player_overflow
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6 hours ago, pop pop said:
A 22LR revolver to start, for sure if it is a lady or young child. It simple and will introduce them to the noise and very slight recoil. Then head up the caliber range. Usually stay with the revolver platform in 38 Spl then go to Pistols starting with 9MM. Thats the way I fly.
Have a young family I intend to teach to shoot, for the first time, with 3 young kids, 14, 12, and 8. Wife may take part also.
Edited to add; if the want to go to rifle, then I go with an AR 15.
I would suggest going to 9mm prior to the .38.
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5 hours ago, kcsueb said:
Hello all, I was looking for some advice on what to do in this situation.
I don't really have anyone in my life to talk to you about these things that knows very much, I really feel like you all will know more than anyone else I would be able to find lol so here goes!
I’ve been in a somewhat similar situation before; and all I can say is that discretion is the better part of valor. People often lose the big picture perspective and get wrapped up in petty crap that had the potential to escalate. A fair amount of avoidable violence comes from disputes similar to this one.
While he can’t use the weapon to intimidate, nor can he restrict your access to a public road; if this is the first interaction, subsequent ones will be worse. You might be able to sue under Section 39-17-307 - Obstructing highway or other passageway , but it’s likely going to be “he said, she said” and end up a wash.
On the other hand, you swallow your pride and go the other way. It sucks, but it’s much better than the other worst case scenarios.
A decent middle ground might be to set up an official meeting to discuss the issue together. I’d recommend having at least a neutral party in attendance and taking notes, at minimum
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He's great. Ive kicked myself for years for not knowing who he was when I was younger. I went into Rangemaster when I was 19 or so, and didnt like the way some bald, old guy kinda talked down to me while I was looking at 1911s; so when it was time to get my permit, I got it elsewhere. A few years later I start instructing, and realized he was offering some good advice from years of experience. Kids....