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Some of the stuff on The Chive is really clever and funny. Too bad they have to dive into the gutter so often. Oh well, gotta take the good with the bad, I suppose.
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Let's say you get a C&R license, and already have a collection of C&R firearms. Are you required to log these in the book, or just purchases made with the C&R license. How about purchases from private individuals made face to face? Do they need to be logged into the bound book as well?
This has been discussed many times before. What the ATF says is ALL C&R firearms acquired AFTER receiving your license are required to be entered into the bound book. So most people seem to interpret that as if you already own it prior to licensing, it doesn't have to be entered into the bound book, but everything C&R eligible you get after licensing is required to be logged. So yes, FTF transactions count.
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Yeah that's what I figured, but I'm still pretty new to this and just wanted to be sure, especially since the pressures in .40 can rise pretty fast from what I read. Thanks.
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Just received my .40 S&W die set (just been doing 9mm up to now), and to get started, ordered some Remington bullets that Graf's had on sale. They are 180gr, FNEB, which Remington's site calls "Flat-nosed encapsulated base". They have exposed lead at the point, and the base is covered with copper, basically reversing what I'm used to. I have been having some trouble finding load data for this type bullet. My first inclination is to treat it like a JHP. Is this reasonable, or is there going to be a special consideration like there is for plated bullets?
Based on data found in my Lyman and Lee manuals, I was thinking of starting with 5.0 gr of WInchester WSF with a COL of 1.125 and working up in .1 gr increments.
What do you guys think? Anybody have any experience with these bullets they would like to share?
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The problem is that you guys are using logic. This is about their feeeeeelings, not what's required, prudent, or even logical.
Good luck with the purchase.
This.
And I'm quite familiar with the logging rules, and maintain my bound book as required.
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In that case, a signed copy of your C&R and a signed and dated bill of sale with the serial number may be sufficient to give them their warm-fuzzy feeling. If not, $25 is pretty nominal to get rid of that evil boom stick.
That's what I think, too. But if they want to go the FFL transfer route, I will be deducting the cost of those fees from what I pay for the gun. No sense paying more for something when it isn't necessary.
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Sell the gun to you. What does it matter about your C&R paper? Shouldn't have anything to do with it. Maybe I'm just missing something.
Do you want it logged or something? Also, what kind of ass needs covering?
Don't quite get the first part of your post. It's almost as if you started in the middle of a sentence. The C&R license doesn't "matter" as far as it being a legal sale. The company just wants to make sure everything is above board so nothing can come back on them. You have to understand the people (management) I'm dealing with aren't fluent in the requirements for a legal firearms sale. And I just want to make sure I don't run afoul of any obscure regulations since this is not an individual, and the company is not a dealer of any type. I don't necessarily want it "logged" myself (although I would have to log it in my bound book), but the company wants some sort of assurance that they can prove they disposed of it legally in case something happens, I guess like if it blows up and injures me (again, these are not "gun people").
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I agree with pcrc11, but if the seller is nervous about having it, they'll want to cover themselves in every way possible. A cheap FFL transfer gets that done, even if it's just theatre for peace of mind
Yeah that's the issue. Like most companies, they are just trying to eliminate/minimize risk.
You are probably right in them wanting them to covers their asses. But it is an FFL transfer with a C&R. Just give them a receipt and a copy of your C&R. Why have the C&R if you are gonna use it.
I did offer to give them a signed copy of my C&R. I will offer again, and then offer the second option of the FFL transfer, and tell them if they want to do it that way, I will subtract the amount of the fees from what I will pay them.
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If they're incorporated, the company is basically a legal person. It should be like any other face-to-face deal. But, if they're worried about it, just do it through an FFL. It's probably not necessary, but it's not expensive. D&T in Rivergate does some of the best priced transfers and they're a TGO Vendor.
They are incorporated. I didn't even think about the FFL transfer. That's probably the way to go. I've not done that before. Is it the transfer fee PLUS the $10 background, or is the background part of the fee? That's going to figure into my offer.
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So here's the situation. I have an opportunity to buy a shotgun that belongs to a company. I would rather not say which one, but they are a Tennessee business of rather high profile. The gun was purchased in the 1960's and kept at a remote location. I think they are a little nervous about having it on the inventory, and are willing to entertain an offer from me. However, they are a little concerned with how to handle the sale.
This brings me to my question: would this transaction be handled like an individual-to-individual transaction? I assume it would, as they have no dealer license. I have told them I would be willing to sign a bill of sale. The gun is a 1960 model, and I have a C&R FFL, but is it valid for this type transaction, as it is not interstate? (I know, that subject has been discussed ad nauseum
)Anybody got any experience with this type transaction? Are there any "gotchas" to look out for?
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Welcome Razz! I also shoot at Sumner Gun & Supply, usually with my son. There is a Gallatin Gun Club that has outdoor ranges, but there is a waiting list to join. I actually joined myself a couple months ago, but due to changes in work schedule and some health issues a few weeks back haven't been able to get out there yet and check it out.
Maybe we'll run into each other at Sumner!
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.22 lr
.38 lc
9mm
.40 S&W
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I believe D&T Arms over in Rivergate carries it.
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Hey, carry a Desert Eagle Mark XIX .50 AE or a S&W .500 if you like, as long as the size and weight don't encumber you or the weapon doesn't "profile" too badly on you, there really isn't anything "dumb" about whatever you carry. You have to justify your choice only to yourself.
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Did you use an IWB holster or what?
Yes. I carry it in an Old Faithful (Crossbreed Supertuck clone) that I bought as a DIY kit. The kit was 29 bucks, you just have to mold the kydex yourself. My gun is hard to find holsters for, so I didn't have a lot of choice but to mold it myself. Whole project only took a couple hours, including making the kydex press from some scrap wood and foam I had laying around. The Glock I would think should be pretty easy to find holsters for though.
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Thanks for the welcome. It sure is going to take some getting used to having that glock 22 on me.
It won't take long. I carry a Cougar 8000 steel frame, and with a full mag it clocks in somewhere north of 2 lbs. After I had carried it every day for about a week, I don't even notice it anymore.
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...all my friends got theirs within 14-18 days, but late is better than never.
Sounds like all your friends were very lucky. Mine took about 6 weeks, and that's the same as pretty much everyone I know.
I actually got my C&R FFL faster. Whodathunk Uncle Sam would be quicker at anything?
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Welcome to TGO! What do you mean "issued"? Have you spoken with someone from the Dept. of Safety who said it was issued, or are you going by when you applied?
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Well it came in today, exactly one month to the day.
I'm thinking Nagant, Nagant revolver, and p38/p1 all in one shipment to try to save on shipping costs.
Anyone know if I have to pay sales tax if the seller is out of state?
Do I have to wait for my bound book or can I just save the info and input it once the book gets here?
Might actually be moot as I will order the book before or around the same time I place my gun order.
I understand I should be getting some kind of information packet shortly, do I need to wait for that?
Lastly where would any of you recommend looking for everything in my list? I can find a vendor for everything in shotgun news but no one seems to have everything.
Sorry for all the questions, I'm really freaking excited!
I think with internet sales, tax is only collected if the merchant has a presence in your state. I could be wrong, someone with more info may chime in.
You don't have to wait for the bound book to place an order. Most of the info won't be available to put into it until you have the item anyway. There's really no requirement as to what the bound book has to be physically. There are several pdf files available online which can be printed off an put together in a three ring binder which will suffice.
Very little of the info packet will apply to you. It is mostly aimed at 01 FFL's. There is an open letter included which will apply to you, and some of the info in the book. No need to wait.
AIM Surplus, J&G Sales, Southern Ohio Gun, there are several dealers which at any given time may have some or all of the items on your list. You will probably have to balance different price points with higher or lower shipping to get the best deal. Also, I'm not sure about ordering all those together. I know there are rules dealers have to follow about reporting multiple gun buys by the same individual within a certain period of time. Don't know how that applies to C&R items.
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I was also looking into the Nagant revolver as it appeals to my taste. However i am at the range a lot and like to shoot my guns. So for that reason i have reconsidered and am now looking into a Taurus Model 82 in 38. Special. It's a good looking gun and recently the Brazilian Army has turned over a number of them, most selling for less than $200. It's worth a look.
That is a good looking weapon. SOG has them for 149.99 right now. Unfortunately, they aren't C&R eligible.
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Aim Surplus has it for like $319 for one can. Two or more drops the per can price to $300 each. That's the lowest I've seen, but I haven't really dug deep.
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The ammo for that revolver is very specific. It fires a 7.62 Nagant round. It's a weird looking round, the bullet is actually seated below the rim of the case. The way the Nagant works, it has to be made that way. When the hammer is cocked, the entire cylinder moves forward to form a gas seal. The cartridge mouth helps create the seal.
Here is some info on the ammo:
http://en.wikipedia....iki/7.62_Nagant
It is available, and not too expensive. You can even get dies to reload it. Some of the surplus stuff is corrosive, though, so just be aware you will need to be a bit more diligent with your cleaning and not let it sit after firing it.
Disclaimer: I do not own one of these guns, and have never fired one myself, but have heard they are a lot of fun to shoot.
Edit: OK, so in reading some myself, apparently the .32 S&W, .32 S&W Long and the .32 H&R Magnum will chamber, but may cause some issues. It's in the article referenced above.
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i have a red and white sign that says erloading dupplies
Are you sure the clientele a sign like that attracts should be handling the products you sell?
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Happy 4th everybody! Hope it's as awesome as:
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Mosin Nagant
in Long Guns
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Have you considered the Type 53? Same gun as the M44 but Chinese instead of Russian. Plentiful and generally much cheaper than the Russian versions. J&G Sales (www.jgsales.com) has them for $99.95, compared to $199.95 for the M44 on sale.