rmiddle

January 24, 2016

None, you can even use a 22 in the class but it's not recommended. I would use what I plan to carry to reduce any liability.

The course of fire is VERY easy. My wife was worried so we have practiced it. She shot a passing score 80% the first time and she hadn't even fired 100 rounds in her whole life. By the 3rd try she shot a perfect score. She's using an M&P shield and a Sig P320 both in 9mm. The Sig is is easier to shoot mostly because of a longer sight radius.

COF is:
20rnds at 3 yds
20rnds at 5yds
10rnds at 7yds

Target is a B29 scored:
shots inside the 7 ring or touching it = 2pts
Shots outside the 7 ring but in the colored area 1pt
70% or better to pass

The rentals during my recent HCP class were all .22lr handguns most were Rugar Mx's with their long barrels.

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Robert

January 22, 2016

The new modern America can't handle the snow. It's historic on the news and promotes premature freaking out plus we have a lot of non Americans driving now!

Judging by Monday people in this area have no idea how to drive in the white stuff.

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Robert

January 22, 2016

Still hasn't shown up :( . Waiting this seems to take forever.

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Robert

Mine just showed up today. So I did my fingerprints on 12/28/2015 and got my permit on 1/21/2016 better then Utah did when I got my Utah permit.

January 21, 2016

If they are smart, there can be an amendment tacked on just before final voting that would do just that. Keeping it quiet for now would reduce the outcry from the college facility until it's too late.

Maybe, just maybe, if that can happen, I'll be able to carry on campus for my final semester this fall.

Until you're willing to vote for someone else (ie: a Democrat or Independent), they have no incentive to treat you as anything other than a doormat after getting your vote. Maybe a primary challenge can scare them, but you're still not hurting the party that is ultimately in control of things.

The only voters they will take direction from are the ones writing the checks or getting ready to show them the door.

The best place to clean house is in the primary where you can kick them to the curb and not risk getting an even worse POS in office.

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Robert

New Member Introductions · January 20, 2016

Welcome from the Cleveland area.

January 20, 2016

Is there a handgun class in the eastern half of the state that isn't booked solid until March /April ?

I'm near Clevsland, but wouldn't mind a drive.

http://www.theshootersdepot.com/class-schedule/

That is where I took my training.

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Robert

January 20, 2016

I'm surprised at the lack of enforcement.

How can they enforce it. They don't know what you paid for the gun to be shipped to the store. They can only charge you on the transfer fee and that is all they know about. The buyer is supposed to save all the receipts on stuff you bought out of state and at the end of the year you are suppose to add them all up and send a check to the state of TN covering your sales and use taxes. The state of TN can't go after out of state sellers because of the Commerce Clause. Their only choose would be to go after individual residents for failure to pay sales and use taxes. At this point no state has decided to go after a large number of it citizen for failure to pay sales and use taxes. I wouldn't be surprised to find out a few people have been but it is more likely because they bough a big ticket item and attempted to avoid sales and use taxes but I bet it is very rear thing.

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Robert

January 20, 2016

Interesting about the P22. My wife has one and there has not been a single FTF or FTE after 1000s of rounds of various ammo. All the more reinforcement that you need to shoot any EDC frequently to make sure it will work for you.

The Walter has a spring the push the firing pin back into position between firing. As long as that spring is in good shape my FTF were almost none existent. But once that spring loses it shape YOU WILL SEE FTF. The fix of curse is to replace that spring. Also other have reported that slimming down the firing pin to make it move smother will also help. Personally I loved the gun. It shot the dirtiest crappiest ammo I could get my hands on and worked fine. Had a decent trigger pull and I was getting pretty decent grouping out of the gun even with that crappy ammo.

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Robert

January 20, 2016

I had one and sold it as fast as I could. Does the extended barrel help with cycling? My P22 was about as unreliable as it gets. At least one maybe two fail to eject in every mag. I've tried many types of ammo and nothing works well in it for me.

I have a Ruger Mark 3 so the P22 served real no purpose and I let it go for $200. Only paid $240 new.

I've seen Ruger Mark 3's on Gun Broker for $250 new. I love mine. It's fun to plink with and very accurate. It's much more reliable than my P22 was.

I had the same problem with my P22. I picked it up used from around $200. I fixed it by lubing the hell out of the firing pin. After 10 months and 6000 to 7000 rounds though the gun that no long worked I needed to replace the firing pin spring. The problem was for the life of my I couldn't get the 1 pin out of the gun to replace the spring. I ended up selling the gun for $150 to a gun buy back. I wouldn't have any problem buying another P22 it was a nice guy overall one of my favorite guns to shot I have ever owned.

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Robert

New Member Introductions · January 20, 2016

I would like to have some space where I can grow food and have animals. Goats, chickens. Maybe more in the future but currently that is all I know from growing up on a farm in South Jersey. Are there any places that sound like they fit that we should look?

Lots of places all over the state. I would avoid Memphis as all reports suggest it is a hell hole. With the exception of the Nashville area any where outside of the major city's you should be able to find land and at decent prices way lower costs than in MA. I was able to get a 2400+ sq ft house on 1 ache near Chattanooga for 115k with no restrictions and a yearly tax bill under $600. You can find housing with 5+ ache outside of Nashville in the 200k to 300k range the cost will be higher the closer you get to the city of Brentwood. From people in the Nashville area I have been told to avoid the area's north of Nashville because of high crime. I would personally avoid west of the city as it is controlled by Liberals. When I was tiring to narrow down where to move I was looking at a place with over 50 ache that was prices right under 200k but it was over an hour outside of Nashville. In the end I choose to move to Chattanooga as the area was nicer and I could get a place 30 min out for far less then a place an hour outside of Nashville would have cost me.

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Robert

January 17, 2016

If you keep an older flip phone or brick phone to use for emergencies it won't work for much longer.

"The Wall Street Journal reports that AT&T has plans to shut down its 2G network by January 1, 2017. Roughly 12% of its contact wireless customers — 8.4 million people — have 2G handsets, and the company plans to gradually move them to devices running on more modern networks.
The timeline for the 2G shutdown was made in a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission on Friday. An AT&T spokesman said the company no longer sells 2G handsets to contract or prepaid customers. Along with phones, the company does have some other devices connected to its 2G networks, but it also expects that they will transition to more modern technology in coming years. As the carriers deal with ever increasing data usage on their networks, they also are facing a spectrum shortage. "

AT&T sent us a message over a year ago notify us of the cut off and in Canada they have already cut off there 2G network. TMobile doesn't have a date yet on 2G hardware that is going away. I still have some SMS gateways that don't have 3G modem available yet connected to phone switches that we had to switch over to tmobile as we know AT&T service was going away.

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Robert

January 17, 2016

I like Amazon Smile. If anyone here shops on Amazon and isn't using Amazon Smile, then get on it! Just pick a charity and *poof*. No cost to you. Mine goes to the elephant sanctuary in Hohenwald.

I use Smile to support the Second Amendment Foundation. I get to help 2A issues well spending a good amount of my income at amazon. Now if they only had a way to do that at Walmart then SAF would be funded enough to go head to head with Bloomburg :)

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Robert

January 17, 2016

Well that's certainly good advice. I'll call a few more numbers in the morning and try to get someone higher up the chain to acknowledge that the DMV clowns are wrong and hopefully send that in email form or something else that can be printed off and taken in. They've very recently moved to the state so he's got all of his documentation out from the drivers license switch over. Hopefully they'll allow us to speak to a supervisor without having to ask if an attorney is needed but I suppose the attorney is the next play if they continue to play "hide the supervisor" or playing dumb. I googled several different DMV locations today and not a single one had a review rating of more than 1.7 so I guess it'd be foolish to walk in expecting good service.
Thanks to you and everyone else for the tips, hopefully it'll go smoothly but one of us will update.

I have only been to the DMV in Cleveland TN and I would rate them very high. 4.7 out of 5. They worked hard to keep things moving and get to people in under 30 min. There was a question using my Military Birth Registration and if it was ok to act as proof of citizenship and they went to the site manager and they accepted it. My mother has trouble standing and they had someone grab a chair so she could site down and do her paperwork. The only reason I didn't give them a 5 out of 5 is one of the people I worked with was pretty grumpy.

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Robert

January 16, 2016

According to there website I have been approved and they are sending mine. The website says 10 Business Days from this point. So I should have it in the next new weeks. Yah :)

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Robert

Still hasn't shown up :( . Waiting this seems to take forever.

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Robert

January 14, 2016

I am new the area and wondering if it is worth going to there show on Jan 16/17th?

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Robert

January 7, 2016

According to there website I have been approved and they are sending mine. The website says 10 Business Days from this point. So I should have it in the next new weeks. Yah :)

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Robert

New Member Introductions · January 4, 2016

Definitely a mistake I won't be making, but I will bet it is a common one. First thing I did after unpacking the moving truck was go get my TN license. I got it...they took my MI license away from me...and I turned to my wife and said, "I am a Tennesseean now!". If I wanted to do things the way they were done where I came from, I would have just stayed there. :)

Been here a little over a week..love it, love the people, and love how things are done. I already know there are no regrets.

It took me 4 days after I moved down here to switch out my Maryland Drivers license but I wanted it done before the end of June so I could clam half my Year in TN and not have to claim my full year in MD they have taxes only someone from NJ or NY could be happy about.

January 4, 2016

One thing I like about MAC is that he can't be called a fanboy. He gives everything a fair shake. Hell, the guy EDC's a Sphinx. Who in heck carries a Sphinx? His reviews tend to have a bit more weight in my book but that's just me.

I am feeling the same way. Lets hope they decide to make a version A with some tweaks in the backend of the gun. Also I am looking for something I can Conceal Carry for my next purchase. I love my Glock 19 but I haven't been able to find a holster that I can wear comfortably.

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Robert

January 3, 2016

The CFR can only be modified by the procedures called for in the Administrative Procedure Act, which generally takes minimum of 90 days, although it is true that there is an "emergency rulemaking" provision in there also, not sure regarding details on that. All subject to judicial review btw, assuming anyone files suit claiming that the proposed rule change is improper in some way or other.

I do think he can go pretty far and get away with it though, what with the feckless GOP and also the overwhelming support nationwide for the universal background check thang, logic of effectiveness against gun crime be damned.

- OS

My assumption is the Big O will make a speech and sign an EO that will require the ATF to change it policy it might take 90 days for the change but the Big O will be there for another year to make sure his EO is complete before the next President takes office. The next President will have a lot of Pressure to leave it in place or they will claim he is gutting gun regulations even if the regulation haven't even taken effect yet. If we get someone like McCain in office then it will stand as no one will fix what Obama broke. Just look at how the regulation dealing with FFL were never fixed under Bush after Clinton changed them.

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PS Maybe we will be able to get someone who actually cares about guns into the White House and he really does guts all the crap that Clinton and Obama has put into place and role us back to the days when getting an FFL really only took a few hundred bucks and a background check.

January 3, 2016

The "metric" is a general one, no real specifics. But anything more specific would seem to have to at least undergo the process to be included as interpretation in the CFR, rather than by EO.

There are two criteria for being a dealer "engaged in the business" in 18 USC 921 (and the corresponding 27 CFR 478.11)

-- ...a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms, but such term shall not include a person who makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms.

-- The term “with the principal objective of livelihood and profit” means that the intent underlying the sale or disposition of firearms is predominantly one of obtaining livelihood and pecuniary gain, as opposed to other intents, such as improving or liquidating a personal firearms collection.

- OS

Who makes the call if your intention is for livelihood or liquidating a personal firearm collection? The ATF? An EO is a directive from the President to change how you interpret regulations. He can make the EO then they will update the CFR to fall under the new directives.

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Robert

January 3, 2016

The president can't just make up a new law to make all private sales go through a dealer.

He can change executive branch agency regulations, such as not enforcing federal drug laws, not enforcing immigration laws, or stopping imports of certain goods, but he can't make all private gun sales to go through a dealer. That would require a bill to be passed by Congress and then signed by the president.

What he can do is play with the grey area's. Like when you sell your personal firearm there is a grey area. The law doesn't define any metrics to decide if you are a dealer or a private seller. So the ATF has had to set internal metrics to decide if you are individual selling your personal weapons or a dealer selling weapons you never intended to keep. From what I a reading many people expect Obama will redefine those metrics in such a way that most person to person sales will require you to be a dealer or that you go through a dealer. That is within his power and an EO that likely won't get overturned by the courts. Clinton did something similar when he killed off a large number of FFL by settings new standards you had to meet to become an FFL.

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Robert

New Member Introductions · January 3, 2016

That's right...like Snake Plissken, I escaped from Murder City.

The move was a nightmare and I have a tremendous amount of unpacking to do, but I am happy to be here. :)

A little history...I am the guy who originally built www.migunowners.com several years ago. It was a favor to a friend who paid me back by having a top cop give me the basics on proper pistol usage for a couple of hours. I have been around guns all my life, but was hooked after being shown the right way to use them. After that, I bought my first one...and then somehow multiplied many times over. :) I am sure you all know how it goes. I am a MI concealed pistol licensee, soon to be a TN licensee as well. I have trained in the shoot house in force-on-force scenarios at Close Quarters Tactical in Shelby Township, MI and I am a proud NRA lifetime member.

In short...again, happy to be here and hope to make new friends!

Welcome to TN. As a fellow transplant from a lonny blue state welcome I have found most TN are really friendly and welcoming just never make the mistake of saying "That isn't how we do it at XXXXX". Remember you are moving down here to improve your life not turn it into the hell hole you left behind.

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Robert

January 3, 2016

MRE dinner date - the following is a story from a young Marine.

Really wish there was a way to like something twice :)

January 3, 2016

It's not the white middle class...looters are the most color/race/religion blind members of society...change white middle class to "producers".

I feel the term producer transcends race, and socioeconomic standing.

When you say Producers some people will only think of the Top 1% to 5% of people and forgot about the large group of people who still pay taxes in this country.

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Robert

December 29, 2015

It appears some things have changed with acquiring a handgun carry permit since I moved. I was told the shooting requirement has changed but I can't find anything online.

Also, I was told you can regiester online and that you have to provide a picture to the DMV instead of having them take one.

Can anyone confirm? My wife and I are taking the class next week.

I just did the DMV and finger printing today for my permit. They took my picture using the same cameria you use for taking Driver License pictures.

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