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  1. click23

    Signage requirements

    Something that I forgot to post was that this only applies to private property, government owned property has similar requirements, but they are several exemptions and most properties require a metal detector and a trained operator, and mandatory bag searches for the signs to apply to handgun carry permit holders.
  2. click23

    Zoo Knoxville

    Zoo Knoxville has new signs up at the main entrance that comply with TCA 39-17-1359. However, since the zoo is in Chilhowee Park, which is defined as "public assembly facility" and not a "park" by the city of Knoxville, the zoo would fall under section "g" of the aforementioned code. Section "g" would require everyone entering to pass though a medal detector, with a trained operator, and that all bags would have to be searched, none of which are present at the enterance. Since the zoo is not complying with with the section "g" it is my contention that the signs do not apply to anyone with a handgun carry permit, though the signs would still apply to anyone without a permit. Link to TCA 39-17-1359: https://advance.lexis.com/documentpage/?pdmfid=1000516&crid=08880f30-024d-4a0b-a6c8-8b77567a766c&nodeid=ABNAAOAANABL&scrollreferenceid=&config=025054JABlOTJjNmIyNi0wYjI0LTRjZGEtYWE5ZC0zNGFhOWNhMjFlNDgKAFBvZENhdGFsb2cDFQ14bX2GfyBTaI9WcPX5&pddocfullpath=%2fshared%2fdocument%2fstatutes-legislation%2furn%3acontentItem%3a50J2-V4S0-R03M-D4H3-00008-00&ecomp=-kc_kkk&prid=51b62872-f3f0-4b19-85f3-7e8cb5976912
  3. As of January 1st, 2018 there is now only one allowable signage. There is an exemption for signs that were in place prior to 1/1/2015, that under previous version of the law one of the option allowed a simple circle and slash, with a gun in the middle, to prohibit guns. Here is the current law: https://advance.lexis.com/documentpage/?pdmfid=1000516&crid=51b62872-f3f0-4b19-85f3-7e8cb5976912&nodeid=ABNAAOAANABL&scrollreferenceid=&config=025054JABlOTJjNmIyNi0wYjI0LTRjZGEtYWE5ZC0zNGFhOWNhMjFlNDgKAFBvZENhdGFsb2cDFQ14bX2GfyBTaI9WcPX5&pddocfullpath=%2Fshared%2Fdocument%2Fstatutes-legislation%2Furn%3AcontentItem%3A50J2-V4S0-R03M-D4H3-00008-00&ecomp=-kc_kkk&prid=2a1c4777-b6c7-442a-bd4e-4d8a874ac0a6 TCA § 39-17-1359: (b)(1) Notice of the prohibition permitted by subsection (a) shall be accomplished by displaying the notice described in subdivision (b)(3) in prominent locations, including all entrances primarily used by persons entering the property, building, or portion of the property or building where weapon possession is prohibited. The notice shall be plainly visible to the average person entering the building, property, or portion of the building or property, posted. (2) The notice required by this section shall be in English, but a duplicate notice may also be posted in any language used by patrons, customers, or persons who frequent the place where weapon possession is prohibited. (3)(A) A sign shall be used as the method of posting. The sign shall include the phrase "NO FIREARMS ALLOWED", and the phrase shall measure at least one inch (1") high and eight inches (8") wide. The sign shall also include the phrase "As authorized by T.C.A. § 39-17-1359". (B) The sign shall include a pictorial representation of the phrase "NO FIREARMS ALLOWED" that shall include a circle with a diagonal line through the circle and an image of a firearm inside the circle under the diagonal line. The entire pictorial representation shall be at least four inches (4") high and four inches (4") wide. The diagonal line shall be at a forty-five degree (45 degrees) angle from the upper left to the lower right side of the circle. (4) An individual, corporation, business entity, or government entity that, as of January 1, 2015, used signs to provide notice of the prohibition permitted by subsection (a) shall have until January 1, 2018, to replace existing signs with signs that meet the requirements of subdivision (b)(3). Based on my reading this sign would meet the state law(assuming the letter height meets the law) And these would not, the first does not state "No Firearms Allowed" and the second and third have none of the required text: **I am not a lawyer, this is just a layman's interpretation of the law and not legal advice. Please use your best judgement.
  4. click23

    HB 508

    I have read over HB 508 several times, and just want to see if everyone else has the same interpretation as I do. An area of concern with me is Chilhowee Park in Knoxville, which is owned by the city, as the park is home to Zoo Knoxville where we take my daughter every few months. The Tennessee Valley Fair is held there annually, and a few years back some people tried to get in under the law that allows HCP holder entry into parks with handguns and were turned away. The city says that Chilhowee Park is not a park but is a "public assembly facility". There was a law suit but it was settled with the city saying they can still ban carrying by HCP holders, more info at http://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/local/2017/01/27/city-strikes-deal-chilhowee-park-gun-ban/97148064/ Once HB 508 becomes law in less than a month, the way I interpret the law is that as long as there is not a metal detector at the gate HCP holders would be free to carry in Chilhowee Park, whether at the Zoo or the fair as the law applied to all (with several exemptions but none that I see Chilhowee Park would fall under) "property owned or administered" by an "entity of local government or a permittee" The text of the bill can be found at http://publications.tnsosfiles.com/acts/110/pub/pc0467.pdf As a side note on the law, if I read it correctly only a metal detector and a LE or security trained to use it have to be present, and that bags and such are inspected, it does not say that they actually have to use the metal detector.
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    Knoxville zoo

    That's what the law says, but the Knoxville Zoo is a private entity(I know that does not matter per the law) actually sits in Chilhowee Park. The city of Knoxville's position is that Chilhowee Park is not a park, but rather a "public assembly, entertainment and education venue", and assert that they can prohibit firearms. There is a lawsuit going on right now. See: http://wate.com/2015/09/11/no-guns-at-chillhowee-park-despite-guns-in-parks-law/ http://www.knoxnews.com/news/local/loudon-resident-backed-by-nrasues-knoxville-over-chilhowee-park-gun-ban-ep-1309348238-353421031.html https://www.scribd.com/doc/310693710/Knoxville-Parks-Updated-Complaint-4-20-16
  6. Has anyone heard any update out from the Chilhowee Park gun ban lawsuit out of Knoxville?
  7. click23

    Chilhowee Park gun ban lawsuit

    Admins please delete, put in wrong section.
  8. click23

    Chilhowee Park gun ban lawsuit

    Has anyone heard any update out from the Chilhowee Park gun ban lawsuit out of Knoxville?
  9. click23

    Knoxville zoo

    I was back there at the on the 25th of last month and saw this sign on the new fence where the old handicap parking lot was, this is a good 100 feet from the main entrance. No sign at the main entrance other than the note at the bottom of the zoo rules sign. I guess they welcome open carry then!!!
  10. click23

    Knoxville zoo

    I was back there this weekend and still no gun buster, but there is now a large sign that is next to ticket booth, it might have been there before but since we are members we do not go through the ticket line and I just happened to see it.  It was a list of zoo rules, and at the bottom it stated something to the effect of "firearms are prohibited".
  11. click23

    Knoxville zoo

    I was there this past Saturday, and as the OP stated the sign is no longer there.  I suspect this is to do with the lawsuit involving Chilhowee Park and the issued opinion of the state Attorney General with regard to the "parks" law.

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