RobertNashville
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Surely the double standard doesn't surprise anyone does it?
Of course if you are homosexual it's perfectly okay to refuse to do business with someone who doesn't agree with your lifestyle but it should be illegal for anyone to refuse to do business with the homosexual. Such is the world we now live in.
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I believe, based on the recent SCOTUS decision not to hear a case on a similar law in Montana (leaving intact the lower court's decisions that the law is invalid) any such law in any other state is now worthless as well.
I may be wrong on that but that's my initial understanding.
http://www.kxlh.com/news/u-s-supreme-court-won-t-hear-montana-firearms-freedom-case/
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In the face of an unjust and unreasonable law that the state legislature won't correct, what is the right course of action?
Voting new blood in to the legislature may never happen in states like this.
What's the correct course of action?
I'm not sure there is a correct course of action.
- Trying to vote out the idiots is one approach but that can take a long time assuming it ever happens at all.
- You can get the petroleum jelly and comply like good little servants.
- You can continue to be a felon and hope they don't arrest you
- You can leave the state and try to find someplace where the legislature doesn't have their heads up their nether regions.
- You can resist with violence when the show up on your doorstep wanting to confiscate your "illegal" weapons and arrest you which may be the most heroic thing one could do although I suspect it will end very, very badly for the hero and his family.
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About an hour ago, James (the "nut case" according to some) reported that he was arrested this morning.
He also posted this story on his page about this woman...These New Jersy cops really know how to treat their citizens don't they!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Kt90pzUWgM
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...Go back to the start of this thread and read my post. This thread was for ideas on how to help this bill. You may well be the power broker for politics in Tennessee, but I refuse to believe the non-sense you are spouting.
I'm no "power broker" but I do know enough to learn from those who know more than I do; a concept that some haven't grasped yet.
You've said you don't understand how it works in TN and you've made it perfectly clear that you don't want to learn; just complain and disparage.
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As I said I don’t know how things work here, but according to you legislation is for sale and the price you have put on acknowledging the right to bear arms is 32 million dollars. So if someone wrote a check to John Harris for 32 mil what would happen then? (That can’t happen now that the legislation is on the table)
I apologize if that sounds harsh but this is the legislation that pro carry folks want. It is within arm’s reach. If you want to blame this on us because we haven’t sent in enough money I would think you might want to bounce that off John Harris first.
I’m done with this before I get in trouble. I’m on a pro-gun forum arguing with a representative of the TFA about why legislation to have us takes our place as a Constitutional Carry state can’t pass after it has been proposed. Unbelievable.What's "unbelievable" is that even after acknowledging "you don't know how things work here" and that you know no politicians and apparently have no clue about what it will take to get pro-firearm legislation passed you continue to disparage the TFA and browbeat those whoDO have a clue....now that really is UNBELIEVABLE.
Why don't you spend less time complaining and spend the time finding out how it DOES work here.
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NJ Gun Law Critic Targeted By State Police 72 Hours Prior To Hearing
I know...this could never happen in Tennessee, right? I guarantee you that there are politicians in office right now (and three practically jump to mind) who would do this in a heartbeat if they thought for one moment that they could get away with it. "1984" is truly here and moving across the country from both coasts.
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Where are the mayors against illegal knives when you need them???
Seems to me this only proves one thing...that crazy people and/or those who want to use terror to get their way will find a way to do it. If this had happened at a shopping mall in the U.S. you would probably hear the anti-gun crazies boasting about how the death tool would be higher had these killers been using guns; which might even be true. Of course, what they will never say and which could be equally true is that a few good, decent people with arms might have saved some or many of these lives.
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I don’t have a plan. I don’t know any politicians here and have no idea on what will happen with this bill. You are the one with TFA as a forum photo. I do not for the life of me understand why when you have the legislation you claim to want on the table; you are here explaining why it won’t pass. Of course it won’t pass if neither side is for it.
No one in this state has the horsepower to make something happen on a 2nd amendment proposal when it’s already on the table?So...you don't have a plan...you don't know any politicians and you have no idea what will happen with this bill yet you chide those who do know some politicians...are involved with the TFA and might have some insight into the status and likely outcome of this bill...got it. Thanks for clearing that up.
Respectfully, Dave...you complain about the law in TN regarding carrying arms and how it's "not a right in TN" in post after post...part of me truly admires you passion on the issue but don't you think that it would be prudent for you to GET to know some politicians? To get involved with the TFA? Get a plan together? There really is strength in numbers and the TFA needs them as well as donations to its legislative action efforts and it needs people involved.
I was purposely oblivious to most of what happened in TN politically until two different things happened.
1. The fight over a state income tax...I heard Phil Valentine on the radio one Saturday morning and wen to legislative plaza and did so again quite a few times (nearly worn my horn out over those couple of years).
2. I joined the TFA and started going to meetings when I could...at this point I DO know a few politicians...politicians who will actually take my calls and who, on occasion, have even called me! I'm not claiming I've done anything great here...I'm not some hero with an inside track on whats going on but I'm at least a lot more involved now than I was then. Maybe if a couple thousand more did the same we really could get some of the infringements on our rights removed.-
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Now Robert, Dave seems to have a plan.
I have recorded the Governor affirming he will sign the bill, and have in other threads, provided contact information for those who hold the future of the bill in hand. If they will but show how amenable the Gov. is to this line of thinking, surely there are forces that can convince our Supermajority of conservative, Republican, 2nd Amendment loving legislators to step back from this 144 year old travesty against our Rights.
I'll tell you what...it that bill makes it to Haslam's desk out of this session I'll buy you a meal at the Chop House (or any other similarly priced restaurant) because if it gets signed into law (and surely Haslam will keep his word! LOL) no one would be happier than I! ;)
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I was there that night...I wanted to believe it when he said it then...I rather doubt he would do it now and of course; his henchmen (and henchwoman) are not going to let the legislation get to his desk anyway so the point it moot.
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So what that this is happening in Connecticut at the moment?
We really are talking about possible gun confiscation; would anyone have dreamed that possible 50 years ago? I wouldn't have...not in any state in this country (and I've lived in several). I don't really think CT authorities will do it but the fact that it's even, apparently, being considered based on a number of news stories I've read should make all of us stop catch our breath. There may well come a time when each of us will have to decide whether to "turn them in" or face the consequences (the consequences being prison or perhaps even death).
There is NOTHING so special about the gun culture in Tennessee or any state that guarantees that this cannot happen here...let one deranged crackpot kill a dozen or two kindergartners in a school here in Tennessee and just wait to see what kind of bogus, unconstitutional laws this legislature might be willing to pass; then what are you going to do when the legislature says your gun is now illegal because it looks mean or tells you that you can't have a "high capacity clip" that holds more than 10 rounds...not just not be able to carry it in public but now allowed to have AT ALL (that's a rhetorical question...I'm not looking for a real answer here...just offering up something for people to consider)?
I'm not fanning the flames or for a shootout either but I do think we need to be aware of what's happening in CT as it may well be an example of what will be on our own doorstep someday.
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maybe I am being a little too harsh but I can't help but wonder - if the firearm owners of Connecticut had the intestinal fortitude to perhaps make another shot heard round the world (i.e. resist with force) then perhaps they should have had the intestinal fortitude to not put such low life anti-constitution legislators in their state legislature.
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Yep, following orders to violate your constitutional rights that they swore an oath to protect.
Your profile says you are former military...I'm former military...not following orders is a pretty damn significant thing as I'm sure you know. "Confiscating firearms" deemed "illegal" by a state (in this case, CT) seems really obviously "unconstitutional" to most of us but it certainly doesn't seem so obvious to many other people and may not be seen that way by the courts.
So, expecting a career LEO to just refuse to obey orders is no small thing...not only will he likely be throwing away his career (and maybe a retirement as well) but he may be doing if for a law that the courts eventually say is constitutional (no matter how much we know it isn't).
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...But off the top of my head I can’t think of anyone more deserving of her wrath than Zimmerman. So all is good.
Gee...another Zimmerman thread for you to throw some hate his way...why am I not surprised?
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For the record, I don't "hate" the public school system. I simply find that what schools are teaching to be anti-American, anti-liberty and anti-free enterprise.
We see snippets of the truth about whats going on in schools in news stories like the one that started this thread but if one actually looks at the textbooks being used today and some of the videos being shown children most people would find that what is being taught are lies, half-truths and "facts" that run completely contrary to the values and beliefs of the parents.
I don't "hate" public schools...I'm all for public schools that teach the truth...that don't re-wright history to serve an agenda...that will teach children HOW to think rather than WHAT to think...I'm all for public schools and are 100% controlled by the LOCAL PARENTS WHO HAVE CHILDREN IN THEM rather than by the state or, lord help us, by the federal government. Unfortunately, today we have the latter rather than the former. So...until such time as that changes, I encourage everyone to put their children in private school or to home school or at the very least, be prepared to spend a lot of hours every week teaching their children what they should be taught and how they should be taught in public school but aren't being taught.
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I'm sorry...I listened to this audio and frankly, I think this LT was more than reasonable to someone who was trying very hard to bait him and this kind of behavior by this "Ashley" is just a reprehensible as those on the left who try to bait people and carry things to the extreme to prove their point.
Expecting individual officers to refuse to obey the civilian government and enforce the laws that have been passed by that duly elected civilian government is rather beyond the pail...whether these laws are "constitutional" or not is going to have to be for the courts to decide; not the officers in the street. Hopefully, the people of CT will win back the rights that THEY let slip away (when the voted for these assholes who passed this law but until that happens I suggest they had better get their "illegal" weapons out of the state.
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This seems like it could be a no-win situation to me.
Calling 9-1-1 is good advice but given the way I've seen a lot of police act recently if it's a real cop and he orders you out of your vehicle and you don't comply he may well bust out your side window, pull you out of your vehicle by force and then taze youwhile you are trying to call 9-1-1 to verify that you are dealing with a real cop.
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3 guns, cool, what an arsenal.
Yeah...he's obviously planning on taking over the government with that "arsenal" LOL
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Why the hell does anyone here care about Zimmerman at this point. :screwy: I guess O'l Nancey needs some ratings...I wonder how many of us Nancy Grace would claim have an "arsenal" of guns and ammunition???
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I don't know the intent of the two students who were asked to turn their shirts inside out. I don't know the whole story. I just posted a link so anyone that wanted could review the decision. The decision also won't tell the whole story, but only what facts the Court relied upon. I am not saying I agree with the response from the school system. It seems like punishing the students that were making threats would have been the proper response. The school system may very well have suspended the students making the threats. I don't know what, if any, punishment those students received. I also do not know if the students making threats were illegal immigrants. Some people have obviously made that assumption.
I am not defending the school board or the decision by the Court of Appeals. Just trying to provide information to help alleviate any ignorance regarding the decision and the facts upon which the decision was based.
You are correct in that I am assuming or at least am highly suspicious that these were probably illegal Mexican aliens (or children of the same) but it really makes no difference either way because no American living in America should be punished or threatened with punishment by displaying the flag of America (the United States) just because some immigrants form Mexico or any other country might be offended. The whole situation stinks.
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I've had the privilege of meeting Nikki a few times (she is usually at the TFA meetings in Hermitage) and I've heard her story on several occasions...she had a great deal to to with changes to carry laws in Ohio (much as she did here in changing the prohibition against firearms in places that serve alcohol). She also has a book out that I highly recommend. http://www.nikkigoeser.com/
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I don't think any of us know the whole story. From the language of the Court of Appeals decision, it seems that the students wearing the american flag attire did so in an attempt to gain a reaction from Mexican students. A group of students were prohibited from wearing american flag shirts on the day in question, by being told to turn the shirts inside out or go home with an excused absence. It appears other students were allowed to wear shirts or clothing with American Flags. I would encourage anyone to read the decision linked above.
Even if that was their intent (to cause a reaction from "Mexican students" )so what? If the American flag causes a "reaction" from Mexican students then maybe those Mexican students should be in Mexico!
If my parents move to France or Italy or Germany (illegally or legally) and I'm a student in their schools; should I be "offended" by the French, Italian or German flag on the Fourth of July?-
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Well after all...we can't have our American flag upsetting all those criminal aliens now can we???
If this kind of BS makes you mad then let me ask you...do you have children in the public school system and if so WHY?????????????
This s**t isn't going to stop and it isn't going get any better so if you want your children indoctrinated in how to be good little comrades then go ahead and keep them in the cesspool called the public school system.
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Connecticut LEO says will go door to door to confiscate guns,,, interesting
in 2A Legislation and Politics
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How exactly do you "make them adhere to the U.S. Constitution if they don't want to OR if they just don't believe they are violating the Constitution?
Voting them out is all I can see that is a peaceful solution but...I don't know that they are but it may well be a safe assumption that the majority of the citizens of Connecticut want these laws (and therefor, voting in lawmakers who will rescind them would be extremely unlikely)...given that, do you really think that armed rebellion, when you are not only fighting the military power of the State but also a majority of the citizens' opinions would have any chance of success? I don't.
I just simply see a lot of dead gun owners
I suppose that if that's the hill you decide you are willing to die on then you do it but I'm not sure anything good would come from it.