[Tennessee Takes Errant Self-Defense Shots Seriously, per 39-11-604]

I know out system isn't perfect but I've yet to see a better one out there anywhere and most of the suggestions I've heard for "improving it" I'm convinced would only make things worse. The worst part about our legal system as I see it is that people are involved and any system we could create to take its placed would have the same problem! :)

[Tennessee Takes Errant Self-Defense Shots Seriously, per 39-11-604]

Justice is supposed to be blind. Have you ever known someone to be falsely accused? I have, then there's those that I didn't know like those involved in the "Duke Rape Case" a few years ago, or the numerous "criminals" that have been cleared by DNA testing after spending decades in jail. If you want a justice system then the state should prosecute misconduct with felonious penalties and pay the legal fees of those found not guilty. Judges can become lawyers but lawyers cannot become judges. Bring back a true circuit judge who isn't beholding to a Mayor or city council.

When you've spent time as a LEO watching things like your judge, (who was also a private practice lawyer), representing his own client in his own court you become a bit cynical of the legal system.

I see it as two different issues. I can certainly agree that there are corrupt people within the justice system (including law enforcement) that taints the process and sends innocent people to jail. I think we can all agree that it shouldn’t be that way but where “man” is involved; no system will ever be perfect.

However, a person having the financial resources to be able to afford the best in legal representation is not something that’s wrong with the system or “wrong” at all in my opinion. Having significant financial resources at one’s disposal brings opportunities and rewards that those without those resources will don't enjoy and I’m glad of it because it is those rewards that are the incentive to continually belter one’s lot in life through education and hard work.

[Tennessee Takes Errant Self-Defense Shots Seriously, per 39-11-604]

What are you, a socialist?  You get all the justice you can buy, what's more fair and traditionally American than that?

 

- OS

Those of means can afford to hire the best legal representation but I don't and never have seen anything wrong with that any more than I see anything wrong with those of means being able to buy the nicest houses, best cars, yachts, etc. etc., all of which I see as incentive to want to part of those people of means.  ;)

[Anyone have rental properties?]

While I'm living in Savannah I'm renting out my home in Murfreesboro to a family I've known for many years but only because I intend to return to my home and because I know these folks very well; were it not for that I would never want to be a landlord with my rental property hundreds of miles away.

 

If there is any way that you can brake even or even just come close I'd sell your home in FL.

[CMMG...Why, oh, why did I listen to Outpost Armory?]

I've never had a CMMG product; do they have a good reputation or are these kind of problems something they are known for???

[N.J. Governor Christie!!!]

No big deal either way. Jersey is already in the top 3 or 4 most restrictive states regarding firearm law. Already had 15 round limit. It's not like this saved much of anything rights wise in overall picture there.
 
Christie has said more than once he thinks NJ's firearms laws are "about right".
 
- OS

I'd put them no lower than third; maybe second.

 

I have to travel to NJ later this month and after speaking with an attorney in NY as well as a discussion on NJ's firearm board the conclusion is that there is simply no way I can bring my firearm into NJ. So...I'll have them with me for the trim from Savannah to Knoxville and for the return to Savannah I'll be leaving my side arms in Knoxville for the duration of the trip from Knoxville to NJ and back again.

[TN Bill 1774 -- Lawful carry in vehicle without permit]

It's still "illegal" to "go armed" in Tennessee and being armed is still not a recognized constitutional right in the state of Tennessee...being able to carry a firearm in your vehicle without getting a permit is not much of a big deal in my opinion.
 
It might be worth noting what John Harris had to say about this "improvement"...
 
 

"While the law seems good, it is a cancerous form of incrementalism that further delays the adoption of constitutional carry in Tennessee. While the bill might sound, pro-2nd Amendment, one must ask why the sponsors felt like the 2nd Amendment infringements on basic rights should be only partially removed?

The legislation, HB 1480 is effective July 1 as Public Chapter 870.

As written, it states that it is an "exception" to a criminal charge of illegal possession of a firearm in a motor vehicle IF A. the person can legally possess a firearm and B. the person is in lawful possession of a motor vehicle (excluding employer provided vehicles where the employer has a written no guns policy).

Thus, the law generally allows for a person who can legally possess a firearm (longarm or handgun) to have such firearm and/or ammunition in a private vehicle that the person legally possess and no handgun permit is required. The firearm may be loaded or unloaded since the statute is silent."

The law creates a number of risks - in no specific order:

- there are a number of other statutes which create exceptions for parks, parking lots, etc., which only apply if the person has a handgun permit. Thus, this new statute would not remove the risk of criminal prosecution under any statute that expressly requires a handgun permit.

- the law does not address employee jobs. If an employer has a no-guns policy, you can be fired if the possession has anything to do with employment (such as leaving it in your car while at work).

- the law does not create an exception for those picking up or dropping off passengers at schools - a permit remains required.

- the law is not an exception to "posted" parking lots.

- the law would not apply to state parks, federal parks (perhaps), or local parks whether or not the local government has opted out.

TFA does not recommend reliance on this statute other than, at most, occasional transport of firearms by people who do not have permits (e.g., going to and from a range, hunting or a dealer) in which instances the law provides somewhat minimally better cover than the very vague definition of an "unloaded" firearm.

Sadly, its more confusion and bad laws when what the legislature needs to do is write a law that says if you can legally own a firearm, you can carry/transport it no permit required. We should be punishing the violent misuse of firearms not the constitutionally protection ownership of them."

He went on to say...
 

Those opining about whether its legal or not to store a gun in your car, the point is "it depends". If you are un an unposted, parking lot that is not otherwise covered by a local, state or federal regulation, yes its ok without a permit - generally.

If its a location that is covered by a statute or regulation, then it depends on the statute / regulation and many of those - if they provide exceptions - provide them for permit holders only.

All of this "can I" questioning, however, generally applies to criminal prosecutions. Keep in mind that if you park someplace that there can be consequences that are other than criminal. So, for example, if you park at your employer's property - you can be fired. If you park at school and you work there - you can be fired. If you park at school and you attend school - you can be expelled. Ron Ramsey has absolutely refused to do anything about any of the "non-criminal" consequences.

That is why TFA says - don't trust these piecemeal, incremental laws -- too many of them are traps for the unwary."

I guess this law may help some folks but if you really want to be able to carry a firearm in your vehicle and have some protection against prosecution then I'd suggest that an HCP is still the best route...relying only on this law seems to me to be poor protection.

What is most disappointing about this law for me is not the law itself but the fact that the current RINOs in the Tennessee legislature and governor's office could have EASILY passe significant changes such as constitutional carry but rather, chose to engage in dirty politics to kill the bills that would have made a difference. Celebrate this change if you wish but I would caution that doing so will only divert your attention from putting pressure on the worthless politicians who chose to throw us a bone rather than let us come to the BBQ. ;)

[Bass Pro and Cabela's]

I've bought a lot of stuff from Cabella's (online) and have always been more than satisfied with both the quality and the price.  Unfortunately, if this new store is in Tennessee than I guess they will start charging me TN sales tax! ;(

[TN Bill 1774 -- Lawful carry in vehicle without permit]

Don't make the mistake of thinking this bill actually accomplishes anything wonderful...like the so-called "guns in trunks" bill of a couple of years ago; it's nothing more than a bone thrown to the "pro-gun" crowd to keep them (us) quiet since the Republican triumvirate doesn't have the guts to pass anything truly meaningful.

[So I guess Target is out!]

Most big corporations are going to have no gun policies.  Just conceal your handgun and go about your business. Don't call and ask companies if you can bring your handgun.

As long as doing so doesn't violate the law that's an option...for me, I would rather just not shop at places of business that don't seem to want my sidearm in their store.

As far as Target is concerned; I've never really liked them and probably haven't set foot in one in at least five or six years so I won't miss them nor will they miss me! ;)  That said, I'm still don't think too highly of these idiot activists who's actions are feeding directly into the agenda of the anti-firearm crowd.

 

[Good SHTF Survival Fiction Books]

I'm attempting to read Apocalypse Drift by Joe Nobody... 60 Kindle pages in and I'm probably going to give up on this one.  The characters aren't very interesting or particularly likable. There's no super villain or protagonist to pull against.  I can't recommend this one.

I read Apocalypse Drift...didn't have any particular complaints although I couldn't begin to tell you the story line so I guess it wasn't very memorable either! LOL

[Prepper gone bad]

There may have been something wrong with how the warrant was obtained but I doubt that anyone here has any idea (and even less facts) about whether the warrant was properly issued and based on competent evidence or not. As such, I'm not going to jump to conclusions and assume that it wasn't done properly. :)

Of course there are corrupt law enforcement officers (from local police to FBI) and there are corrupt judges as well but that isn't, in my opinion, justification for running away unless we have substantive reason to do so - the Constitution specifically allows law enforcement to search our homes, belongings and person so long as they follow the rules so unless we know that the law enforcement officer is operation out of compliance with the Constitution we have an obligation to follow the rule of law as well; at least that's how I see it.

[Prepper gone bad]

If you have unlimited funding to afford the proper legal defense, that's a good way to settle a problem.  Most ordinary citizens don't.

So is one only supposed to act reasonably and abide by the rule of law if one has a big bank account and can afford the best attorneys and everyone else should just run away?

I can believe that there may come a time when all levels of government are so utterly corrupt that we can trust nothing they do and it will be necessary to assume that the rule of law is completely meaningless.  Under such conditions, "running away" or "fighting to your last bullet" might actually be the appropriate course of action. However, I don't believe we have reached that state of corruption in this country and baring such corruption; running away was stupid and it was certainly reasonable for the authorities to pursue him and consider him a fugitive.

 

I admit that I haven't done a deep dive into all the details here but as far as I can tell, the authorities followed the Constitution in obtaining a warrant. As such, a person is expected to react like reasonable, law-abiding citizen which means that when someone shows up with a valid search warrant we don't run away; we let them search and we deal with whatever comes.

[NRA Call]

The NRA is a one issue organization...

Yuup...something that many people don't understand, including most NRA members.

 

Most people aren't "one issue" people; I'd say that most of us see it all tied up together (taxes, spending, Constitutional rights, bloated government, etc. etc.) so I guess we expect the same from organizations and don't or won't understand that many organizations only care about one thing.

 

As long as a politician supports the second amendment with their votes the NRA isn't going to abandon them. 

[watch thread]

There are lot's of great watches out there from less than $100 to many thousands of dollars.  I own a very old Omega dress watch but I've owned Seiko watches since the mid-70's and they've always served me very well.  They can run from a couple of hundred to several thousand.  I guess it just depends on what you like and are willing to spend.  Breitling has been on my short list for quite some time...maybe this year...  ;)

[Trying to find someone]

Humm...the OP posts a lot of story, asks for help finding this person but gives no information about the person he's trying to find.

 

Am I missing something here???  ;)

[What's wrong with a Dan Wesson 1911?]

Dan Wesson 1911's are great firearms...I've owned several and still have a couple that I will likely never sell.  They offer very high quality for the price and while any manufacturer can make a mistake now and then I'd take a DW any day over many more expensive brands.

[Friend of mine committed suicide today.]

Very sorry for you loss and for his family.

[A close friend of mine just call with bad news!!]

Really sorry to hear this...I'll remember them in my prayers.

[Gun control advocates push to take firearms from those accused of threatening violence]

Not that such facts would matter to the gun grabbers behind this move; I wonder just how often someone under a TRO does use a firearm to kill the person they are supposed to stay away from?

[Prepper gone bad]

ok...so make sure I'm tracking...they said if he just complied with the search warrant all this could have been avoided...soooo, they are accusing him of building explosive devices but they didn't find any? And now, because he "ran" he's now a fugitive and breaking the law. And all that dangerous food, and animal husbandry.

 

The message seems pretty clear...if we want to investigate you, you had better comply, or we will then "legally" make you a criminal. And people wonder why folks are getting pissed off.

I can understand this fellow's urge to flee...to not want his property searched...to be afraid of the government LEOs but ff there was nothing improper about the search warrant then he should have complied and then settled the matter in court.  If there WAS something improper about the search warrant then he still should have complied and then settled the matter in court. In short; these kinds of things aren't settled "in the street' or standing at the front door of your house or by running.

 

The Constitution protects us from unreasonable searches, not all searches but it's a judge who decides whether the search was or wasn't reasonable (note I used past tense). Once you run, it's a whole different matter.

 

Think of it this way, if this guy really was building bombs and maybe thinking of starting his own little revolution against the government; wouldn't we want the FBI/law enforcement to search his property and maybe stop him before he did anything?

[Good SHTF Survival Fiction Books]

You're welcome my friend.

 

It was RobertNashville that originally recommended it in this thread.

 

It's written by a physician around Nashville...

so it's an interesting perspective...to me at least...since I spent the majority of my waking hours with a fine group of Constitution Loving, Second Amendment exercising ER Physicians and RN's. :pleased:

 

I hope you enjoy it and would like to hear your feedback if you do read it.

I just recently started the Carrington Effect even though I've had it a while; about 35% into it right now.  I'm enjoying it so far.

 

It took a while to get the major characters introduced and to set the stage for the events that lead up to the catastrophes but I think that's to be expected. My only criticism, and it's a small one, is that I don't think Mr. Dill's proof reader did a very good job. :)  I keep finding "missing" words where it's obvious what the author intended (or maybe did actually) write but it's not in the printing.  These kind of things are easy to overcome as our minds just naturally feel in the blanks but still, I know from experience that if I'm catching them there are probably plenty I'm missing!!!  ;)

[Weed and Guns Conflict]

I have been drunk once in my life. I've been high on pot once in my life.  I'd say both were about the same felling/impact on my mentally and physically.  However, I'm nearly 60 now and my experience was nearly 40 years ago so I might be wrong. ;)

 

Frankly, I've never truly seen any logical or societal reason for alcohol to be "legal" and pot to be illegal...as with most everything in life; it's when used in excess that the problems occur and that's true of just about any thing or any activity you could name.

[Prepper gone bad]

Anyone else read the Warrant? The warrant suggests he made desructive devices and boobie traps. Also did straw purchases on a lot of guns.

A warrant can suggest a lot of things and this days I don't tend to  put much stock in accusations.

 

It would seem to me that if they had any significant evidence against him they could have arrested him and then searched to their heart's content; this sounds like a fishing expedition to me based on what I know at this point.
 

[The old days]

I haven't watched any of the so-called comedy movies or TV sit-coms in years. Nothing but lewd, vulgar or suggestive stuff that I find to be too stupid to be funny. Just further evidence of how far our society is sinking.

Actually I REALLY enjoy Big Bang Theory but then I've always been a bit of a geek/nerd. If my career path hadn't gone the way it did I would have been very happy as an astro-physicist ;)

BBT is a little "lose" sexually but nothing like what you see in movies or other shows and all the characters seem to opting for traditional marriage (even if the were a bit lose sexually before getting there) ;)