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From the Our Story page.
Shooters Grill is located on the South side of East 3rd Street in downtown Rifle. Gun-themed and old-timey American restaurant serving traditional breakfast, burgers & steaks. Stop by our restaurant and enjoy great food and a VERY safe place to eat it. Breakfast, Lunch, or Dinner, our food and service will make you happy. That is our place: Happy, safe and fun. We’re armed and ready to feed you
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3 hours ago, Garufa said:
Thanks for the click bait.
How is that click bait? Its the site of a Restaurant that most of the employees open carry.
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https://shootersgrill.com/ Looks like a great place to get a burger.
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11 hours ago, Daniel said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/24/health/schools-mask-mandate-outbreaks-cdc.html
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/23744731.2021.1944665
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/your-health/effective-masks.html
' Collected data from more than a million K–12 students and staff members in North Carolina, which mandated masking in schools from August 2020 until July 2021. The scientists reported little in-school transmission over the fall, winter or summer months. Incidents remained low even as, in communities outside the schools, levels of COVID cases fluctuated and mitigation strategies shifted. “The presence of masking in schools seems to be the unifying theme across all of those periods,” says Ibukun Kalu, a member of the group and medical director of pediatric infection prevention at Duke University. “When we look at cases that have masking in place—so masking students, staff, everyone that’s within that K–12 setting—we see rates of within-school spread as low as one percent.” '
' In schools in other states where masks were not used consistently, such as in Georgia and Florida, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has reported on a number of COVID outbreaks during both 2020 and 2021. This past spring in California, an unvaccinated elementary school teacher who removed a mask several times to read to students triggered an outbreak of the highly transmissible Delta variant, according to another CDC study. A total of 26 people were infected, including 12 of the 24 students in the teacher’s class, a frightening rate of 50 percent. The infections spread elsewhere in the building to six students in a separate grade and moved beyond the school to infect eight family members of the affected students. The viral genomes in the infected people were either identical or very similar to the virus analyzed from the teacher, indicating that individual was the source. The outbreak occurred despite people following physical distancing guidelines, using high-efficiency particulate air (HEPA) filters in the classrooms, and leaving the doors and windows open for ventilation.
Masks, combined with other prevention efforts, reduce the risk that students may bring home the virus to parents or other relatives. This has been a big concern because adults are more likely to develop severe COVID. An online survey of 2.1 million Americans by researchers at Johns Hopkins University showed a 38 percent increased risk of COVID-related illness in households with a child attending school in person. That risk went down, however, as the number of school-based mitigation measures—such as mask mandates, daily symptom screening and canceled extracurricular activities—went up. When seven or more measures were in place, the increased risk disappeared. Experts have long advocated for an approach that relies on multiple added layers of protection—some to protect the individual and some to protect the collective—recognizing that no single intervention will be a magic bullet.
Studies done in wider communities beyond schools give the strongest real-world evidence that masks stop COVID’s spread. An international team of researchers conducted a randomized controlled trial involving nearly 350,000 people across 600 villages in rural Bangladesh. Half of the villages got free cloth or surgical masks and a promotional campaign encouraging their use. The other half did not. The researchers found that the intervention significantly curbed coronavirus transmission, especially in villages that received surgical masks. The findings appeared in early September in a preprint paper that is now being considered for publication by the journal Science.'
https://www.allsides.com/news-source/scientific-american
But who am I to show you evidence when you can just listen to "the docs my wife works for..."
I guess you can make studies show whatever you want them to. You think they help go for it.
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11 hours ago, GlockSpock said:
And also said that the Flu is not as contagious as this particular Coronavirus.
https://www.healthline.com/health/r-naught-reproduction-number
COVID ~ 5.7
Flu ~1-2.0
COVID ~3x more contagious
Doing things such as social distancing and wearing masks will prevent the spread of an illness. The less contagious something is, the more effective those means will be. The more contagious a virus is, the more it will "succeed".
Simple example that should be simple enough for everyone to understand.
Imagine you have a virus called "one" and a virus called "ten". "One" will live on a surface and die after a single day. "Ten" will live on a surface and die after ten days. Which one is harder to eradicate? Which one will be "stronger" against measures such as cleaning, wearing masks, social distancing, etc?
Not sure a mask makes much difference. Maybe a N95 fitted properly would. Cloth mask are of no use at all, surgical mask may help with a cough or sneeze but it just redirects more than anything. The docs my wife works for say a mask may help 20%. Less if not worn properly. They also seem to need adjusted a lot while wearing so one tends to have their hands around their face a lot more. Most of the people i know that have gotten 19 wore a mask and got it from a mask wearer. The sickest guy I know that lived got it from his wife that worked in a med office, she got it from a PA there, all wore mask. I saw a report the the 6 feet social distancing was a arbitrary number not based on any science. So not sure how far away from people one needs to stay. Wash your hands a lot and protect our lungs. We have a nebulizer for the lungs.
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I thought it was interesting Newsweek tried to tie it to the new gun law.
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Glock 26 or vp9sk with 2 extra mags for each.
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1000 federal, 1000 rds. of Winchester 165 gr FMJ. 380 American Eagle. I also have some self defense rounds as you can see. Not sure what is a fair price depending on how much you want. Open to trade. I looked on sgammo .com and the cheapest they have is .50. I will do .40 for the target ammo with a minimum of 1000 rds.
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On 9/16/2021 at 6:37 PM, myg30 said:
Mostly brass, steel ???
mike
All brass
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I have 2K rounds of 40 cal mostly target ammo, some self defense. Open to offers.
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I have 2K rounds of 40 cal mostly target ammo, some self defense. Open to offers.
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15 hours ago, chances R said:
You didn't see the guy standing in line at McDs who was stripped of his gun while standing in line?
Ok, not sure that has anything to do with being the first target because of open carry but thanks.
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Just for the record I conceal 99 percent of the time. But not because I am concerned about being shot first. I also have a sign in my yard warning that I have a security system at my house. I am hoping the bad guy will look at that and move on to a easier target. Let the bashing begin, lol
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13 minutes ago, chances R said:
just an example that has happened, can't remember the exact details, but a bad guy rounded up all the customers and employees to lock in a back room. Who knows, may have been intent on murdering them all. At the appropriate time, an armed good guy pulled his gun and shot bad guy. Had he been OC, never would have had that chance as he would have been disarmed by bad guy. Surprise is part of one's defensive tactics.
Ok if your looking at what if's maybe the bad guy sees to guy open carrying and decides to find an easier target. There are thousands of these stories but looking for someone that was targeted because they were open. That is the claim.
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22 hours ago, E4 No More said:
Perhaps you lack situational awareness - hence your inability accept that you may be wrong? A why would I confront Ken or Karen? Should I care what they think? I don't think so.
I guess you did not understand my statement. Some have said they did not want a Ken or Karen confronting them about their firearm, that was one of the reasons they like to conceal, my point was Ken or Karen would not notice me carrying a firearm so that would not concern me. My comment about you confronting someone you saw open carrying was about you not them. Again my guess is that you would not confront someone you saw carrying just because they were carrying. Hope that clears it up for you. I am not trying to be wrong or right just because you think differently than I do, so what. That does not make either of us wrong or right just different. My original point is that I have not seen neither does it make sense to me that if one open carry's makes them the first target. Has it happened in the history of people carrying firearm? Maybe. Is that a logical reason to conceal, not in my book. If it becomes a problem that starts happening, Ok that's a good reason to conceal. It's not a contest to see who is right or wrong as you seem to think. I am not here to prove someone right or wrong. I am here to rub elbows with other like minded people. I love a good debate but not here to prove someone wrong or to prove I a right, I got over that in middle school.
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5 hours ago, E4 No More said:
Dude, I'm not going to do your research for you - particularly from 30+ years ago. You believe what you want to believe no matter how wrong you are.
Dude, I look forward to what you can find. Good luck, no matter how wrong you are. Frankly if you have to go back 30+ years to find something I think I have proven my point. Keep your firearm concealed so you will not be the first one shot. Lol, There are plenty of reason to conceal carry but that's not one of them.
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I would also note that very few people that carry concealed are not all that concealed. I have seen plenty of guys that are printing in one way or the other. Maybe as the sit down or move one way or the other, If your looking you can see most of the time. So how does that work if open carrying makes you a target then does printing make you one as well? Even with a ankle holster if someone looks long enough they can spot something. I tend to not care, if someone sees something or not. That's just me.
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3 minutes ago, E4 No More said:
Hate to break it to you but the uniform itself tells someone that you are open carrying and makes you target - hence being trained the way I was trained. They come in, see the cop, and open up on him/her first...If you can't accept that then that's your problem.
Perhaps you don't have domestic terrorists in BFE Tennessee, or you have an overly strict definition of the term, but we've had several incidences of domestic terrorists in middle Tennessee. They've sprayed-up a Waffle House that my daughter almost entered right before the shooting, and a church. Perhaps you are oblivious to the ones that happened in states around you like Virginia too.
So your telling me a bad guy comes into a business to rob it or some other criminal reason and they see a cop there so they shoot the cop first and then continue on with the reason they are there? I would love to hear all the stories about those things happening, please share so that I can learn. Maybe because your a cop makes you a target maybe. If I am sitting in a restaurant and a bad guy comes in how is he going to know if someone is open carrying unless he has been there and had time to check everyone out. Please share with me some situations that a cop or any other open carrying person was targeted other than just being a cop.
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2 hours ago, MGunMike said:
Actually a great topic for discussion. My philosophy is simple. Always concealed. My reasons. First as stated previously in the thread I don’t want to be the first one as the target for the bad guys. I don’t particularly want people to be concerned about an armed gentleman walking around. Especially children. And mainly if something does go terribly wrong somewhere I have the element of surprise. Would never draw on the drop but I have options that they don’t know about. Just IMHO.
Your free to carry as you like but the reasons seem strange to me. There is no reason for one to think they would be the first target nothing. Secondly your assuming people would be concerned about you walking around armed. Very few people I know would give a rip. They element of surprise makes the most sense I guess to me. I would think the determent of knowing there are armed people around and fast access to one firearm probably off sets that. In my book. Just my opinion.
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1 hour ago, E4 No More said:
I can pretty much assure you that I'd notice. Some habits just don't die over the years since I was a LEO. You would also probably not notice me noticing you, but I tend to scan everyone and if I see an OC I'm reading their body language too.
And frankly you can notice me all you want very few people have that I was aware of. Some had mentioned they did not want to deal with Ken's and Karen's about why they are armed. My point was that Ken a Karen would not notice me carrying. My guess is also you would not confront someone you saw OC'ing either.
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1 hour ago, E4 No More said:
Sorry, but as a LEO in the 90's I can attest that there have been enough times that a robber came into a restaurant or store while a uniformed police officer was there that they taught us to always sit were we could see who was coming through the doors, and not sit with our backs to the doors. Drug addicts and the desperate aren't the best at planning their robberies. Now days you also have to take into account domestic and foreign terrorists that are wanting to make a statement by killing as many people as they can. They would start with the threat to their plan which would be the OC'ers.
My guess would be that drug addicts are not scanning the crowd with the plan on shooting anyone they see open carrying either. If they were robbing restaurants with uniformed cops there then surely they did not take the time to scan the crowd looking for a someone OC'ing. Sort of made my point for me, thanks. Sorry I have not seen many domestic or foreign terrorists in east tn. I would guess if they came in shooting AK 47's it will not matter if one is open carrying or concealed. I guess I could dream up a scenario that one that is open carrying would make them a target but to date it is just wild situations that are very unlikely to actually happen.
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6 hours ago, Erik88 said:
There was nothing of any substance in this article. It's literally just screenshots of Twitter posts.
Maybe this one is better. But this is just about expectations.
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1 hour ago, deerslayer said:
I’m 5’10/180 and can easily and comfortably conceal a Glock 48 or Springfield EMP IWB under just a t-shirt all day long. Usually the fat guys are the one complaining about concealing IWB.
I have tried inside the IWB and hate them. I also tuck my shirt in. Generally I am in a business casual attire. Dress slacks and golf shirt. I also not a fan of lose fitting cloths.
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I just figured all the open carry fans here would enjoy seeing a place that makes it normal. I guess if your going to rob the place and there are 8 or 10 people open carrying how would they pic to target first. lol