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Looks like Jack Elam to me. kind of famous for his wandering lazy eye.
Yep, he has been in countless movies but I never remember any starring roll, he had the perfect face for a rough trail stomping cowboy. My favorite was "Once Upon A Time In the West" even though he was killed in the first 10 minutes. Can't count how many times he was on Gunsmoke.
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Can anyone name this actor? Probably been in more westerns than any other actor.
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Go ahead and push his smart gun pipe dream, it wont happen and he will wind up selling a few million more dumb guns and ammo while he's yapping about it on the national scene.
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Silly post freedom Americans!
Health insurance is mandatory, you don't think retrofitting your reliable firearm won't be?
If you can't afford to add this "smart" technology, you can just turn over your antiquated firearms.
Just my guess of the plan.Not gunna doo it...
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they have a right to a decent burial. :)
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And again, what about all the 350+ million, probably 1/2 billion dumb a$$ guns out there now? Whatca gonna do bout that BoBo?
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I think we might be missing something here. I am pretty sure you can display and wield your weapon to stop a thief. I just renewed my security license and that question came up.
Answer: yes, you may draw down on a thief to prevent theft or fleeing. Can you shoot him if he does not comply? No, unless he attempts to over power or come at you. Then you are covered by the self defense law. When the thief decides to up the activity from thieving to assault it changes the whole dynamic.
The instructor used a real life scenario such as this. Thief was breaking into a man's work truck at night. He confronts thief, with gun out, who appears to be complying but suddenly charges the owner of the truck. Owner shot him right as his body fell on top of the owner.
The cops showed up and assessed the scenario and asked the owner why it took him so long to shot the thief. He was already committing a crime, so he showed intent to do criminal harm and once he started charging the owner he upped the game to the next level. Cops told him he was lucky because the charging thief could have had a knife. Cops said owner was in reasonable fear for his life, and he was right to shoot.
I agree that you can't shoot a guy with a TV in his hands, but you can use your weapon as a deterrent when a crime is being committed. If he runs away, let him go. If he changes from thief to assailant, shot him.
Kidnapping came up also. You may use deadly force to prevent a kidnapping, regardless if the kidnapper has a weapon or not.
Thank you. Some here were assuming I was just going to start shooting if someone was in my tool shed stealing my yard sale tools, I keep the expensive stuff in my house. What I said I will confront them, then it is up to them as what they decide to do next. If they read my post they would have known I would let them run away if that's what they choose, then I said if they came after me I would use my gun. If they attempt to attack me and get shot, it's 100% all their fault. Now as far as what value my junk in the shed is, most all not worth much money but there's something far more valuable to consider, it's called principles, that I am willing to take a risk to defend.
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K191145, not trying to take sides, but to me, shooting someone is the last thing on my list. In your posts, which IMO could be used against you, I don't think you are leaving yourself much wiggle room. Really doesn't matter what a deputy thinks. It may come to a jury that matters. I understand the concept of self-defense, but pushing the issue over property may not be worth your time and money. Not saying let anyone kart your stuff off. But again in reference to your posts and your defense I think even your avatar will be used against you.
There's nothing I said in any post that can't be torn apart by a good defense lawyer no matter how some DA tries to BS some jury. Did I say I was going in guns ablazing? NO. I said, I would confront them and actually would let them leave "IF" they didn't try to to attack me. I'm also sure that on your own property you can confront someone who's not supposed to be there with your hand on the grip of your exposed gun, you don't even need a carry permit. If a thief or trespasser see's that and still comes after you then obviously he has clear intent to do you harm, if he's close enough then he has clear opportunity to do you harm, and if he's big enough and crazy enough to come after an armed homeowner he has the capability to do you real harm, all three requirements are met for use of deadly force, Intent, opportunity, and capability. Also, I said in another post we don't live in New Jersey, I happen to live in Cheatham County Tennessee where a jury will be picked of people who will not likely take sides with some POS thief with most likely a long criminal record, against a law abiding homeowner who has a spotless record. I have been on a Cheatham County jury before.
I'll say it again "THEY WILL BE CONFRONTED".
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You don't need wiggle room. The law states you can confront someone steeling your stuff, the law says you can use physical force against someone stealing your stuff. The law says you are allowed to defend yourself with lethal force if you believe your life or your family's life is in danger. What wiggle room is needed? I can definitely state right now that if I see someone stealing my stuff, they will be confronted, I don't rightly care what worth the stuff has, it's mine and only I will decide to dispose of my stuff how I see fit. I also hope I don't need to take another human life, specially an American Life; but when it comes down to it, I'll bite, pull hair and use a 2x4 to defend myself and yes a firearm too and damn the consequences. Does that mean a thief's life isn't worth that much to me? No, it means that the sanctity of my home and property mean that much to me, what a thief's life is worth I will leave that up to the thief; because ultimately he is the one that will choose the direction the confrontation will take.
THIS.
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We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. Question - God forbid you ever have a tool shed that doesn't have much confrontation occur; does your planning include representing yourself in court?
Don't have to when you wont be charged in the first place for defending your life. I don't live in New Jersey.
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Strange that the Cheatham County deputy didn't lecture me about getting involved in a possible burglary the last time my brothers alarm went off, which turned out to be a false alarm but I went there armed before I knew it was a false alarm.
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If you corner them and the only way to get away is past you; you don’t get to execute them and then say you were in fear. You can try it; but you will probably stand trial. That’s the part I was pointing out to the OP. You do whatever you are ready to take responsibility for. I'm not killing anyone I don't have to; the law doesn't let us do that anymore.
There's a difference between executing someone and protecting your life, it's the criminals decision to stop their activity and not threaten my life, if they threaten my life then it's their fault if they get shot or not. It's a DA's responsibility to prove if you were not justified and if there's no witness except you and them they have to take your word for it. I.E. the Trayvon Martin case.
It's a wonder these days why so many are taking the criminals side against the victims.
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That's certainly not speculation. That's premeditation. So what's the shelf life of a post on the internet? For your sake I hope no one visits the tool shed that doesn't have much.
What, planning on confronting someone trespassing on your property? Planning to protect yourself against possible death or bodily harm? Don't give a woopdeedoo what the shelf life on an internet post is. Go back a re-read what I said in the original post.
They will be confronted.
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Okay, we get it. But that isn’t what he asked. He asked a question about the use of force in this state. And it does matter who thinks what; no one gives a rolling rip down a razor blade what you think. Between a good Prosecutor and the judge’s instructions the jury will be considering what THEY (a reasonable person) would have done. And if they find beyond reasonable doubt that you were not in immediate danger of death or great bodily harm; you go to prison. And that is the fact. Many people ask these questions because they know that not only do they have a duty to protect their family; they have a duty to their family to stay out of prison.
I remember a time when I could shoot a fleeing burglar; and believe that is the way it should still be. But it isn’t.Yea, nothing in the law that says you can't confront a trespasser or thief and the law also says if someone threatens your life you can use deadly force. They will be confronted.
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Fact. If you have property stolen and the thieves are caught in Metro, the D.A. or whoever is in charge of stolen property doesn't give a rats ass weather you get your property back or not.
Don't have a carport but I do have a tool shed that doesn't have much anyone could sell for much. But, if I do ever see or hear someone in it, THEY WILL BE CONFRONTED. It's up to them at that point what they want to do, their best option is to drop my stuff and leave, their worst option would be to come towards me in a threatening manner because I will have a grip on my gun. Doesn't matter who thinks what I should do, that's my plan and as for knowing what the police and a jury will do, no one here really knows that for sure, it's all just speculation.
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Well crap, as soon as I posted this it started working.
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The whole site has gone haywire all day today, all photo's are not linking anywhere.
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So sorry for your loss biggun.
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I'm more worried about the driver, driving around hours a day listening to non-stop "Pop Goes The Weasel" , you wonder when he's going to snap.
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Beautiful rifle. I heard that one reason they are so pricey is because when being made they have to go through a long a tedious process of shooting, separating and tweaking the barrels many many times to get both perfectly aligned. Good defense for that charging elephant also.
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Happens a lot with over zealous officers. Checking to see if it's stolen or not.
I keep a copy of the receipt of both my Glock and SP101 in my wallet, it's got my name and the model and serial number, no need to run the serial number in any database.
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This shows how they track down recovered guns used in crimes:
Boxes, boxes and more boxes. "Following the gun" is not as glamorous - or as easy - as it seems on TV.
Hundreds of firearm trace requests arrive at ATF’s National Tracing Center every day, with more than 370,000 in total arriving last year.
Comprehensive firearms tracing is the routine tracing of every crime gun recovered within a geographic area or specific law enforcement jurisdiction - you can find out more at https://www.atf.gov/firearms/national-tracing-center
And that's guns only used in crimes? What % are those crime guns compared to the total number of guns in private possession in the U.S.?
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You let it fall anyway. Its not going to hurt it. Cosmetic maybe but that can be buffed out and touched up. Most of the $$$$ guns are large frame and wouldn't be easy to drop anyway. You drop the high recoil light weight cheap stuff.
No gun is worth shooting yourself in the artery, or anywhere else as far as that goes. I would say to get the instinct of grabbing at a falling gun out of your mind, you would have to get the instinct of grabbing at anything that was dropped and falling.
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Wish me luck
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Yep, many years ago my dad had a strangulated hernia repaired with some synthetic mesh, was back up and going strong after a couple of weeks and never had any problems after that. Best wishes D_s.