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Sarah, here is a great gun for a new shooter; my wife started with this gun. It's a Smith & Wesson Model 60 revolver with a 3" barrel. Unlike some of the small-frame Smith & Wesson revolvers, it has a steel frame, which means the guns is a little heavier and will therefore recoil (or "kick") a little less. It's a .357 Magnum, but will also shoot .38 Special ammo. In fact, I would only use .38 Special ammo in a gun like this if I were you. It's very simple and user-friendly, but don't get the wrong idea; this is a potent weapon. My wife became extremely accurate with it in a short period of time. If you were closer, she'd let you try it out. Here's a link for it on the S&W website: http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&productId=14755&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15704&isFirearm=Y
Edit: Ignore the suggested retail price; it will cost substantially less.
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Glocks and Colts in the same post, blasphemy.
Agreed.
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molon, han solo, I have a P3AT (hard chrome/green frame) that I am debating selling. My gotta have it gun (sooner or later): http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=24&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=37
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Not every glock will, either. Let's be fair.
While I have never done it, or even entertained the idea, I have seen 1911 and M9 operators shoot out to the 50yd line with their handguns. We even train to do so -- even in the Air Force-- if you are sidearm qualified, to shoot at those distances. Granted, at those ranges, I think the art of aiming becomes more the art of lobbing. But I've personally seen them hit all black while doing it, and about crapped myself.
Will the average Joe do it, or even likely hit the target at that range -- regardless of handgun? No. But it is possible.
EDIT: For clarification... I don't see the point of even attempting to use a handgun at a distance such as that. There's a reason why they produce handguns, and there's a reason why they produce rifles. IMO, 95% of the time, the roles of each shouldn't be mixed around.
Agreed on all counts (even the "not every Glock will" part).
I shot at 50 yards (offhand) about a month ago--we were shooting at IDPA offical targets (for the hell of it), and while I did hit the target, you would need a yard stick to measure the "group." Years ago, I shot my Colt 1911 at 110 yards, and it was a blast (although not a very precise one). I also don't see much of a need to practice regularly at 50 yards, unless you are a Delta operator or a SWAT team member, and they would probably not take many shots at 50 yards with a handgun.
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Hmmm...my Glock 19 can shoot one hole groups at 7 yards; not every 1911 will. Perhaps they should stand a little closer. Whatever the case, I have never seen 1911 guys shooting "on the rifle lanes." I certainly never did when I was a 1911 guy.
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Sure… because you would have cranked off a couple of mags, been bored and quit.
They are a bit monotonous...load them, shoot them, load them, shoot them, load them, shoot them, never any excitement--no FTEs, FTFs, etc.
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If I had a tupperware gun, this wouldn't have happened.
I see that Kimber QC continues to be an issue.
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I was just kidding.
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It probably did not have a fully supported chamber.
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I'm no 1911 fanatic, BUT a friend has the Rock Island and loves it, says it's a tackdriver, reliable, etc., especially for under $400. The only problem I see with it (and perhaps other lower end 1911s) is a lack of sight upgrade options. His RA came with itty bitty sights, and upgrading the front looks to be impossible.
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I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
LOL it happens
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This is for your wife
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So how does one post pics on this forum?
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Putting a Kimber CDP next to a Glock and asking a woman which she prefers is almost not a fair fight--"hey honey, you want the blinged-out two-tone Kimber with the Spanish walnut grips, or do you want the primer black box-gun with the service rifle trigger?"
BTW, I had a 5" Colt 1911 that sucked too, but that is another story.
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Tungsten-my Kimber was made about two years ago--it was not one of the new-company-growing-pain models. The majority of Kimbers I see (at IDPA matches) have some sort of issue--I'm not basing any of what I say about them on what I've read on a forum. Hell, I wish mine had come with the external extractor--it couldn't have been any worse.
Verbal-Congrats on your gun's reliability. Like I said, a good running 1911 is a sweet shooter. I just don't see them (reliable 1911s) as often as other makes. BTW, my wife begged me not to get rid of mine--she liked it much more than a Glock. No shock that your wife didn't like it; most people either love or hate Glocks, and they usually form their opinions quickly. She just liked shooting it better (one hole groups at 7 yards tend to make the range a bit more enjoyable). She didn't give a rodent's rump if it jammed; me on the other had, well, I don't need it if I can't carry it.
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Nope, mine was an internal extractor. I never could get the thing to feed--it would hang up in every imaginable way in a maddeningly random fashion, with no rhyme or reason. It would produce different kinds of malfunctions with the same kind of ammo, when you switched ammo, and everything in between. A guy once asked me, "what kind of hollow points are you using in it?" I never got that far--all I ever put in it was FMJs. After a few thousand rounds, I gave up. Somebody good with tuning 1911s probably could have straightened it out, but I didn't want a gun that had to be "tuned" all the time. Kimber quality left a bad taste in my mouth also; mags would not fall free, and the ONE mag that it came with had a follower that I learned chews up an alloy frame just below the feed ramp, which it proceeded to do. I also wasn't crazy about the fact that I was supposed to change the recoil spring every 1500 rounds, or that I had to have a paper clip to field strip the gun. Overall, it was a very disappointing experience for almost $1000--I never would have dared to depend on that gun for self-defense. The gun was accurate as hell, although it shot a bit low. It's not just my Kimber, though. I shoot a lot of IDPA, and 1911s are the ones that are always missing a beat. Just last week, a guy brings an almost-new Kimber (TLE, I think) and the thing starts going full auto. I've seen this several times on old guns, but not a new one! That same night, another guy kept getting FTEs with his $2000 Wilson. This morning, a guy was having all kinds of trouble with his S&W 1911. A friend told me, "if you get a 1911 running good, you'll never go back to that Glock." Well, the "getting one running good" part is too much trouble for me. I'm really not a 1911 basher; I know they are sweet guns when they are tuned just right, but I'll stick to my Glock when protecting my life will be involved--I know it's going to work.
I'm assuming you had the external extractor designed slide, and encountered such problems that have been reported on 1911forum, glocktalk, etc? This is the only problem I've ever seen anyone complain about in these compact guns, aside from a few recoil spring issues. If not, what issue(s) did you have? I'd genuinely be interested in hearing about them so I can keep an eye out.You'll notice in the pictures that my CDP has the internal extractor / slide -- the style that everyone prefers, and the style that buyers with problems try to get Kimber to swap their slides out for. Plus, I already have a Wilson Combat bullet proof extractor laying here waiting to be installed... as well as a digital trigger gauge, extractor tensioning tool, and extractor gauges to set it at the proper tension. I'm also thinking about picking up a Wolff recoil spring to have on hand, as I've heard this also rectifies any potential problems in these guns.
I'm aware that the extractors have been a somewhat common issue in the past, which is why I made sure I picked up this extractor design when I purchased the handgun... and also went ahead and picked up the parts to fix any such issue if it should still arise. However, the reported issues -- isolated on these message forums -- compared to the sheer number of pistols that Kimber produces is still quite low. Any gun, any brand, any model can have problems... and most can be easily resolved with a little extra work either on the buyer's part or the manufacturers. Doesn't make it any less easy to swallow, when you shell out a lot of money for something that should be stellar out of the box... but it's still resolvable. Most people that have encountered problems, and replaced either the extractor or recoil spring, have stated they have had ZERO problems since. Easy and cheap solutions in my book, when compared to the money invested in the firearm. They're what... $40-$50 fixes?
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Good luck with it--if it is anything like the one I had, you'll need it. Of all the handguns I've owned, my Kimber CDP was the biggest disappointment of all.
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Most useless gun?
How about the one that sits in your safe instead of your holster?
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Never shot plaster but I have cut holes in it w/ a reciprocating saw--the stuff just eats blades. Plaster would definitely stop a bullet more quickly than sheet rock.
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And for the life of me I can't figure out why you would build a pistol that a truck could run over and then slap a front sight on it that a stiff wind would blow off.
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(Who couldn't really care less what people shoot, but the "Glock Perfection" crowd is just so much fun to pick on!)
Definitely no claims of perfection here, but the Glock suits my needs better than anything else currently made.
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OK, so the 'Glock KB' thing is echoed by Sig/HK/S&W/everythingelse owners on every discussion forum on the Internet. Is there really data to substantiate this trend
No. If you shoot relatively name brand ammo, you will be fine. Just about every brand of handgun specifically says not to use reloaded ammo. There is generally less room for error in .40 reloading (not that there should be any errors) , but the Glock Kb legend is a bit overhyped. Yes, I shoot a Glock
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Hey MM, you no-shoot murderer, let her shoot your 2lb. trigger IDPA cheater pistol.
See ya tomorrow.
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Not exactly Mid. TN, but there was one for sale at RangeUSA in Memphis--not too far if you gotta have one and can't find one. Next time I'm there, I'll confirm.
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Glock 19 or a Glock 27, depending on what mood I'm in. I just started shooting in January, and was using a vest all the time (this reflected dow I dressed). Now that it has warmed up, I'm using untucked polos. BTW, I use the same holster all the time--a Bianchi Model 5.
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All right, maybe I missed something here; I thought you were all excited about the CDP--what changed your mind?