Tim Nunan

Here's one link for Founding Father's quotes: http://PatriotPost.US/fqd/

TFA Nashville Chapter meeting for March Date: Tuesday March 18, 2008. Time: Discussion is 6:30 to 7:30 - please arrive early to order or go through the buffet Location: Shoney's Interestate Drive Location (next to the Stadium) (Note: we are trying to standardize on the 3rd Tuesday of each month, at this time and location. Shoney's would like for us to get up to a regular attendance of 25 to as much as 50 or so to continue using the meeting room so BRING FAMILY AND FRIENDS!!) Topic: Although subject to revision, we are planning to discuss the Civilian Marksmanship Program that allows each of us to purchased ammunition and surplus military firearms (mainly Garands but also nice .22 target rifles) directly from the government for delivery to your door. Other topics/speakers that we are discussing for future meetings include state legislators, federal representatives, local law enforcement representatives, ATF officials, "anti-gun" representatives to help us "the uninformed" understand, shotgun sports specialists, etc. We have lots of ideas and only 12 meetings a year (or less depending on holiday conflicts). John Harris temporary Nashville Chapter Director

I thought I'd put this proposal out to some on my gun lists. Is there anyone who'd provide an email address for information and sign-up?

The March meeting of the Tennessee Firearms Association Lakeway Chapter will be held on Tuesday evening, the 18th of March, 2008 Officer Hinkle of the Morristown Police department will discuss gang activity in the Morristown area and the types of crime being conducted. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Our meeting place is the Shoneys Family Restaurant at 1933 West Andrew Johnson Highway (Hwy 11E), Morristown TN.This restaurant is located 1/2 block east of the West Andrew Johnson highway (Hwy 11E) and Morris Blvd intersection, more or less across from the Home Depot. There is a large, highly visible sign in front along with plenty of parking space. A pre-meeting social hour is from 6 PM to 7 PM during which you may want to eat dinner. The meeting will begin promptly at 7 PM and end at 8 PM. Opportunity will be given to ask questions related to the topic. Membership is not required - gun owners, 2nd Amendment supporters, and interested public are urged to attend. For more information contact Bill Kaylor 423 586 9121/email w9dsm@charter.net or Tim Nunan 423-586-8459/email bentcreek@outdrs.net.

THE MARCH MEETING WILL BE HELD ONTUESDAY EVENING MARCH 4, 2008 Our guest speaker is Sgt. Keith DeBow from Knoxville Police Department, training academy. The subject will be the revised training for officers regarding persons with carry permits and advice for those who have carry permits in dealing with police officers. This is a follow-up to the incident that Trevor Putnam spoke about to our group at our December 2007 TFA Chapter Meeting. This is your chance to find out what information is being given to the Knoxville Police as it does directly affect all of us that have carry permits. It is in our best interest to know both the law and what the rules of engagement are for the local police. Although this may affect only KPD officers, the information we receive may well assist us if we are confronted by LEO's from other agencies. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Monthly meetings are held at Bob's Mountaineer Restaurant, 10321 Chapman Highway (Rt. 441) in Seymour, TN. A pre-meeting social hour is from 6 PM to 7 pm during which you may wish to eat dinner either from the menu or from the buffet. The meeting will begin at 7 PM and end at 8 PM. Participation by those in attendance is always encouraged. Gun owners, persons involved in the shooting sports, Second Amendment supporters and interested public are urged to attend, YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE A MEMBER TO ATTEND. For more information contact: Bill Noll; wsnoll@comcast.net 865-688-0321 or Charlie Thoms; Cthoms43@aol.com 865-379-2151

While many of us have sources that give us predictions on this bill I suggest we stay in touch with our representatives and urge them to bring this to a floor vote. As I recall the last bill of this nature had 62 cosponsors and those representatives should be reminded of this and asked to be consistant by again cosponsoring this one.

Hard to tell from the pictures but are the size of the groups that different?

TFA chapter meetings are open to the public; TFA membership is not required.

The February meeting of the Tennessee Firearms Association Lakeway Chapter will be held on Tuesday evening, the 19th of February, 2008 We will present Advanced Pistol Handling from the Second Amendment Foundation ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Our meeting place is the Shoneys Family Restaurant at 1933 West Andrew Johnson Highway (Hwy 11E), Morristown TN.This restaurant is located 1/2 block east of the West Andrew Johnson highway (Hwy 11E) and Morris Blvd intersection, more or less across from the Home Depot. There is a large, highly visible sign in front along with plenty of parking space. A pre-meeting social hour is from 6 PM to 7 PM during which you may want to eat dinner. The meeting will begin promptly at 7 PM and end at 8 PM. Opportunity will be given to ask questions related to the topic. Membership is not required - gun owners, 2nd Amendment supporters, and interested public are urged to attend. For more information contact Bill Kaylor 423 586 9121/email w9dsm@charter.net or Tim Nunan 423-586-8459/email bentcreek@outdrs.net.

You can get the directions here: http://www.vrpc.info/html/location.htm

One should also consider what kind of jurists the next President may appoint to the Supreme Court. <!--StartFragment -->*************************************************** May those who love us love us. And those that don't love us, May God turn their hearts. And if He doesn't turn their hearts, May He turn their ankles, So we'll know them by their limping. -Irish toast *****************************************

"Why would you go somewhere dangerous where you would need a gun?" Rep. Janis Sontany (D-Nashville) to TFA Member, Scott Frick of Collierville regarding the Restraunt Bill that was killed in committee then. April 7th, 2005. Have often wished that Mr. Frick had snidely responded "Like Memphis?" We have our work cut out for us.

db00wj, Representative Kinsley is wrong there is action he can take - he can cosponsor the bill like 63 representatives did the last time.

It appears that the only way we will get gun friendly bills through the House is to replace Naifeh even if by another Democrat. For those living in west Tennessee please keep us up to date on candidates running against Naifeh so we can at least support their campaign from afar.

Coleman is the liar that answer the NRA survey to get their support and once in office has voted against virtually ever pro gun bill so I don't expect anything to change.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59650 WEAPONS OF CHOICE Drill instructor convicted after rifle jams Guardsman guilty of illegally transferring 'machine gun' after firearm malfunctions ---------------------------------------------------------- -------- Posted: January 13, 2008 1:00 a.m. Eastern © 2008 WorldNetDaily.com A drill instructor in the National Guard has been convicted in a Wisconsin federal court of illegally transferring a machine gun after a rifle he loaned to a student malfunctioned, setting off three shots before jamming. The verdict of guilty on one count in the case against David Olofson was confirmed yesterday by the clerk's office in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Wisconsin. That means now that anyone whose weapon malfunctions is subject to charges of having or handling a banned gun, according to an expert witness who reports that the particular problem is a well-known malfunction and was even the subject of a recall from the manufacturer. (Story continues below) "If your semiautomatic rifle breaks or malfunctions you are now subject to prosecution. That is now a sad FACT. I guess we know now what Sen. Kennedy meant when he said he looked forward to working with [Acting Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Director] Mike Sullivan on Gun control issues, after his committee approved him for full Senate vote," Len Savage, a weaponry expert who runs Historic Arms LLC, said in a blog. "To those in the sporting culture who have derided 'black guns' and so-called 'assault weapons'; Your double barreled shotgun is now next up to be seized and you could possibly be prosecuted if the ATF can get it to 'fire more than once,'" he wrote in a blog run by Red's Trading Post. Red Trading Post manager Ryan Horsley "Hey, but don't worry," Savage said. "The people testing it have no procedures in writing and the testing will be in secret. Also if you know of information that proves YOUR innocence, maybe the ATF won't claim that it's tax information at your trial and prevent YOUR judge from viewing it." He told an interview with Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership that Olofson had been instructing a man in the use of guns, and the student asked to borrow a rifle for some shooting practice. "Mr. Olofson was nice enough to accommodate him," Savage said. So the student, Robert Kiernicki, went to a range and fired about 120 rounds. "He went to put in another magazine and the rifle shot three times, then jammed," Savage said. A couple of police officers who also were at the ranged immediately approached him and started asking questions about the "automatic" fire, and he told them it was a borrowed weapon. "Mr. Olofson, being a responsible person, went down to the police station and said, 'I'm in the National Guard. I know what a machine gun looks like. That's not it,'" Savage said. But instead of having the issues resolve, Savage said, it got worse. He reported that because of the malfunction, the rifle was seized and sent to the Firearm Technology Branch, the testing arm of the federal agency. "The examined and test fired the rifle; then declared it to be 'just a rifle,'" Savage said. "You would think it would all be resolved at this point, this was merely the beginning." He said the Special Agent in Charge, Jody Keeku, asked for a re-test and specified that the tests use "soft primered commercial ammunition." "FTB has no standardized testing procedures, in fact it has no written procedures at all for testing firearms," Savage said. "They had no standard to stick to, and gleefully tried again. The results this time...'a machinegun.' ATF with a self-admitted 50 percent error rate pursued an indictment and Mr. Olofson was charged with 'Unlawful transfer of a machinegun.'. Not possession, not even Robert Kiernicki was charged with possession (who actually possessed the rifle), though the ATF paid Mr. Kiernicki 'an undisclosed amount of money' to testify against Mr. Olofson at trial," Savage said. And then during the trial, the prosecution told the judge it would not provide some information defense lawyers felt would clear their client, Savage continued. That included the fact that the rifle's manufacturer, Olympic Arms, had been issued a recall notice for that very model in 1986 over an issue of guns inadvertently slipping into full automatic mode, if certain parts were worn or if certain ammunition was used. Ryan Horsley, who posts the Red's Trading Post blog, said the results were "very concerning." "Basically if your Ruger 10/22, Browning Citori Over and Under or Remington 11-87 malfunction and fire more than one round at a time; the ATF will now consider it a machine gun," he wrote. He told WND he's had personal experience with guns that malfunction and fire more than one bullet. Even double-barreled shotguns, if both shells would be released at once, now could be considered machine guns and illegal, he said. "This precedent is very dangerous," he said. Defense attorneys in the Olofson case couldn't be reached immediately to determine whether an appeal would be pursued, but Savage noted the arguments by assistant U.S. Attorney Greg Hannstad, who handled the prosecution. "Haanstad claimed the law does not exempt a malfunction. He claims that it states 'any weapon that shoots more than once without manual reloading, per function of the trigger is a machinegun.' To clarify when I was on the stand, I asked him, 'Are you saying if I take my Great Granddaddy's double barrel out and I pull one trigger and both barrels go off, it's a machinegun?' He went back to ... 'any weapon that shoots...'" Savage said. On the Red's blog, commenters were incensed. "'Innocent until proven guilty' has been transformed by the ATF into 'guilty until framed,' said LibertyPlease. Horsley also told WND the 2008 edition of Firearms Law Deskbook quotes from a 1999 case in which the court concluded the law on automatic weapons "is not intended to trap the unwary innocent, and well intentioned citizen who possess an otherwise semi-automatic weapon that, by repeated use of the weapon, by the inevitable wear and tear of sporting activities, or by means of mere inattention, happenstance, or illfortune, fires more than semi-automatically."

This action does make one wonder if there is any difference between political parties.

A way to assist Naifeh into retirement is for us to support whoever is running against him.

The January meeting of the Tennessee Firearms Association Lakeway Chapter will be held on Tuesday evening, the 15th of January, 2008 Mahmound Sabi is Ron Paul’s campaign manager for the 1st district. Representative (TX) Ron Paul is running for President and Mr. Sabi will speak on Mr. Paul’s positions and agendas. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Our meeting place is the Shoneys Family Restaurant at 1933 West Andrew Johnson Highway (Hwy 11E), Morristown TN.This restaurant is located 1/2 block east of the West Andrew Johnson highway (Hwy 11E) and Morris Blvd intersection, more or less across from the Home Depot. There is a large, highly visible sign in front along with plenty of parking space.A pre-meeting social hour is from 6 PM to 7 PM during which you may want to eat dinner. The meeting will begin promptly at 7 PM and end at 8 PM. Opportunity will be given to ask questions related to the topic. Membership is not required - gun owners, 2nd Amendment supporters, and interested public are urged to attend. For more information contact Bill Kaylor 423 586 9121/email w9dsm@charter.net or Tim Nunan 423-586-8459/email bentcreek@outdrs.net. **************************************************************************************************** Our Websites: http://www.tennesseefirearms.com http://www.tfaonline.org/memberforum - open to the public, lots of good discussions!

This doesn't surprise me. Alexander has been weak at best on supporting our gun rights.

The NRA announcement failed to address the disservice done to the veterans being treated for a non-threatening PTS. Over 140,000 names dumped by the VA into the NCIS computer just for seeking treatment and nothing in this bill stops them from continuing this; a anti-gunner's dream, how to disenfranchise 10's of thousands of citizens of their 2nd Amendment rights. Oh wait.. the bill says you just have spend thousands of dollars and submit a request to the BATFE to regain your gun rights however what is ignored is that Chucky Schumer long ago defunded that BATFE office so all those requests just get filed at best. Sorry, the NRA blew it this time.

Curiously the media isn't calling this a hate crime even though the perp clearly and loudly expressed anti-Christian statements. Oh wait... not a hate crime if it's against Chrisitians. <sarcasism mode off>

Was neither looking for nor need redemption from you.

I don't believe any military base recognizes carry permits issued by the states; I know Ft. Bragg doesn't. At best they might store it for you but don't count on that either. Bragg's written policy states they will store it while you are on base. Called to confirm that and there was loud laughing followed by an empatic No we don't do that.

I carry this form to present to any doctor foolish enough to "counsel" on firearms: FIREARMS SAFETY COUNSELING REPRESENTATION: PHYSICIAN QUALIFICATIONS AND LIABILITY Part One: Qualifications I affirm that I am certified to offer (Name of Patient: ), herineafter referred to as "the Patient", qualified advice about firearms safety in the home, having received: Specify Course(s) of Study: _________________________________________________________________________ from: Specify Institution(s) _________________________________________________________________________ on: Specify Course Completion Date(s): _________________________________________________________________________ resulting in: Specify Accreditation(s), Certification(s), License(s) etc.: _________________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________________ Check one, as appropriate: ___ I represent that I have reviewed applicable scientific literature pertaining to defensive gun use and beneficial results of private firearms ownership. I further represent that I have reviewed all other relevant home safety issues with the Patient, including those relating to electricity, drains, disposals, compactors, garage doors, driveway safety, pool safety, pool fence codes and special locks for pool gates, auto safety, gas, broken glass, stored cleaning chemicals, buckets, toilets, sharp objects, garden tools, home tools, power tools, lawnmowers, lawn chemicals, scissors, needles, forks, knives, etc. I also acknowledge, by receiving this document, I have been made aware that, in his inaugural address before the American Medical Association on June 20, 2001, new president Richard Corlin, MD, admitted "What we don't know about violence and guns is literally killing us...researchers do not have the data to tell how kids get guns, if trigger locks work, what the warning signs of violence in schools and at the workplace are and other critical questions due to lack of research funding." (UPI). In spite of this admission, I represent that I have sufficient data and expertise to provide expert and clinically sound advice to patients regarding firearms in the home. OR ___ I am knowingly engaging in Home/Firearms Safety Counseling without certification, license or formal training in Risk Management, and; I have not reviewed applicable scientific literature pertaining to defensive gun use and beneficial results of private firearms ownership. Part Two: Liability I have determined, from a review of my medical malpractice insurance, that if I engage in an activity for which I am not certified, such as Firearms Safety Counseling, the carrier (check one, as appropriate): ___ will ___ will not cover lawsuits resulting from neglect, lack of qualification, etc. Insurance Carrier name, address and policy number insuring me for firearms safety expertise: _________________________________________________________________________ I further warrant that, should the Patient follow my firearm safety counseling and remove from the home and/or disable firearms with trigger locks or other mechanisms, and if the patient or a family member, friend or visitor is subsequently injured or killed as a result of said removal or disabling, that my malpractice insurance and/or personal assets will cover all actual and punitive damages resulting from a lawsuit initiated by the patient, the patient's legal reprerentative, or the patient's survivors. Signature of attesting physician and date: __________________________________________________ Name of attesting physician (please print):__________________________________________________ Signature of patient and date: ____________________________________________________________ Name of patient (please print):____________________________________________________________ Patient: Indicate if physician "REFUSED TO SIGN." Have physician place a copy in your chart/medical record.