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On 2/17/2021 at 6:09 AM, Moped said:
That's your Sherriff now. But watch for the Feds to start making examples of those that stand up and say no. Then tunes will change or those folks will be seeing the inside of a prison cell for sedition. Yes, I said sedition. That cat's already out of the bag, after January 6th. It's the new buzz word. If folks think the Republican Party, conservatives and Libertarians are Facists, they ain't seen nothing yet. The Democrats are about to bring it to a whole new level. Left-Wing Fascism is alive and well and coming at us like a mile long train.
As far as the Sheriff goes, you are right, talk is cheap, and he could change his tune if his himself is threatened with jail. That’s all the more reason we have to stand behind people like this when the pressure comes down on them. Local and state government is the best defense we have against all this mess. If that fails, it’s going to be very bad.
like the saying goes “when it becomes time to bury your guns, it will be time to dig them back up”.
I read a story once about how Saddam Husain came to power. What he did was call a big meeting and had all the local leaders come and discuss his new administration. He stood up and started reading a list of names. When he said somebody’s name, they would take them outside and shoot them. He didn’t have to kill everybody, he just had to kill a few to prove his point. After that everybody fell in line. The IRS does the same thing, they couldn’t do a thing if everybody agrees to stop paying taxes. People have tried the no tax movement in the past, they didn’t prosecute all of them, but they did a few and did it severely, and everybody else fell back in line.
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I ain't buying no neutered mags. I did buy 10 more standard capacity G17 mags, and a few more AK mags (already set on AR mags).
I'm betting on a grandfather, and no law enforcement (at least in red states) is eager to start going door to door to round anything up. My local Sherriff has already said he flat out won't do it, and will hinder any efforts by the State or Feds to do the same.
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On 2/6/2021 at 3:40 PM, KahrMan said:
I really am surprised that this has not happened sooner.
I like watching prank videos on YouTube. I have always thought that they should be happy they were in areas with strict gun laws (usually CA) because if they did that around here they would get shot. Sure enough it happened.I like watching prank videos also, but just the ones where it's just some harmless practical joke where everybody gets a good laugh at the end. Not something like this where somebody is even pretending violence.
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On 2/15/2021 at 2:45 PM, Cruel Hand Luke said:
Their brains were in "DVR mode" not in "self preservation mode". That is what happens when you experience something you never thought you'd see or never thought was even possible. You stand there taking in the scenery recording info instead of doing something. As I say in class all the time...the FIRST time you see it should not be when it is for real. You need a page in your mental rolodex for that so if it happens you will have at least considered it in advance and have at least a vague plan to deal with it.
Novelty will cause hesitation or even disbelief. But if you have seen someone pull a gun and use it (even if it is an airsoft or sims gun in training) you will be more likely to do something than if the real thing is your first time seeing it in real time. Your brain cannot distinguish between training and reality. It just records info. But if you have already seen this before you are able to recognize this show and do something other than stand there gawking.
I agree with this. Also add that people have been de-sensitized to violence. Maybe you thought that he was just bluffing when he pulled the gun, but when he started shooting that should have removed any doubt. Most of the time the bad guy gets the drop on you and you don't have much time to react, these people had plenty of time.
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On 2/9/2021 at 8:14 PM, AllGunsNoMoney said:
That's what the cop said, but he added, "you should've hid in a bathroom while dialing". My younger self mistakenly thought that apprehending someone in the commission of a crime would be met with praise. It was an interesting life lesson.
I agree that your mistake was confronting him again, but "hiding in the bathroom" would be a little too much. Once inside your home, you have to duty to retreat any further. I would say that if you would have just backed up and stayed inside the main living area on-guard until the police arrived, you'd be fine according to the law.
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I just finished a local "Citizens Sheriff's Academy" back in the fall. It was eye opening to see the other side of things, and one night was a Q&A session with the DA. At the end of the day, I think most officers just want to find the truth, and aren't looking to "hang" somebody.
The DA Q&A was interesting. He more or less said that he's not looking for convictions, he's looking for justice, and makes it a point that nobody in his office keeps up with their conviction rate. He also said that many times in actually tries to help out the accused when warranted, but also said that once he is satisfied that their is enough evidence to convict and they go to court, he becomes their biggest adversary.
All that being said, I have been questioned as a potential suspect in the past. I was 100% innocent and they came to that conclusion after the interview, but you could tell a bunch of the questions were leading or just to see how I would react. Being innocent, I had enough of their leading and insinuating questions and got up and walked out (I wasn't under arrest of being detained). Never heard anymore about it. I had went willingly to the interview to try to be a helpful witness, but I didn't appreciate the attitude and questions. The "interrogator" wasn't that good anyway, for a layperson like me to pick up on his technique. I got to where I answered certain questions the way I did just to antagonize him, you can do that when you know you are 100% innocent and you know they have zero evidence to the contrary.
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4 minutes ago, Snaveba said:
What is there to stop the “thief” from just walking away, other than their ignorance of the law. If they are no longer threatening your life, you can’t claim self defense if You shoot. And you can’t shoot someone to defend your personal property.
Am I forgetting something?
That’s kind of what I was getting at. Of course, at the time the robber probably doesn’t know you are a law abiding citizen, all the knows it somebody is pointing a gun at him and may shoot. That’s really they only thing that is keeping him from running off. Just seems like a lot of things could go wrong.
Probably your best bet is to pull your firearm, the robber backs down where you are no longer in fear for your life, and you just tell him to get out of there. I’ll admit, I’d probably have a hard time doing that, but I’ll also admit I have problems doing what is best sometimes, especially right after I thought somebody was trying to do me harm.
It’s really easy to talk about what you should do on a Internet forum, and we should know what to do and try our best to follow those rules. It all gets fuzzy though when things are happening fast, and you get into that “fight or flight” mode. Sometimes we start fighting when we should be flighting.
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10 hours ago, Lumber_Jack said:
That woman needs education on "shoot, don't shoot" decision making. I hate a thief, but don't think they should be shot
I think a thief should be shot. Sadly, the law doesn’t allow that though. Wouldn’t hurt my feelings if they changed the law.
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On 1/29/2021 at 10:05 PM, monkeylizard said:
@Steaks this is the best advice you're going to get all week.
The law is pretty clear on when deadly force may be lawfully used and it requires "a reasonable belief that there is an imminent danger of death or serious bodily injury"*. This is true in your home or anywhere else you might lawfully be. In your home you're presumed to have that reasonable belief, but the facts can refute that. A classic extreme example to illustrate the facts refuting the presumed belief is of a homeowner who holds an intruder at gunpoint, has them on their knees, ties them up, and shoots them in the back of the head. The homeowner is not in reasonable belief that there is imminent danger of death or serious bodily injury at the moment the trigger is pulled and the facts will prove that. This is not justifiable self-defense. This is murder. There are plenty more examples like Chip's naked napper, or a homeowner luring someone in so they can kill them, etc.
The short version is that away from home, you have to prove you had reasonable fear. At home, the prosecution has to prove you didn't.** This is the burden of proof Chip mentioned. Read the law for yourself here -Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-11-611 specifically paragraphs b, c, d, and e. Para. c lays out the presumption of belief.*"Serious bodily injury" is defined in Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-11-106 Look at (a)(36).
**Note that it's not strictly limited to your home. In TN it applies to a residence, business, dwelling or vehicle.
I never have liked the idea of holding somebody at gunpoint. A good friend of mine did it and got away with it when a couple of thugs robbed his store, but it just doesn’t seem to me like a good idea. You are just standing there holding a gun on them for however long it takes the cops to get there, seems like a long time for something to go bad. What if they try to run, what if they catch you looking away and try to rush you? Then when the police show up, they are walking into a “robbery in progress” and first thing they see is you with a gun in your hand. Not saying I wouldn’t do it, and it’s surely better than shooting them, but just seems a big opportunity for things to go from bad to worse.
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Gun shows are a waste of time right now, unless you want something you just can't live without and don't mind paying over top dollar for it.
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On 1/1/2021 at 6:23 PM, BJB said:
Please correct me if I’m wrong. But I was always taught that “if you feel like you are in imminent life threatening danger” you have the right to protect yourself
That is true. Keep in mind though, you may also have to convince a jury you were in imminent fear for your life. At the end of the day, it's not so much what you think, it is what a jury would likely think.
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10 hours ago, Grayfox54 said:
Hopefully we can hold them off for two years and make changes in our favor come the mid-term election.
I'm not so sure we will ever win another election. In my opinion they stole the last two, there is talk of making Puerto Rico a state, and plans to make all illegals citizens. Then add the fact that they want to pack the court. If their plans come to fruition, I honestly don't see any way out of this without going to a place none of us want to go.
At this point all our hopes are basically pinned on Joe Manchin, Him and maybe a few others that I don't know about may be against the more radical ideas.
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I watched a video from a very respected self defense instructor about this very thing. His thinking was to not look strong, saying it makes you a target. I'm not sure I agree with him. I think the balance sits somewhere in between.
I don't believe in walking around, open carrying, and decked out in "tactical" gear. I do think that looses any element of suprise, and if something bad is fixing to go down, you'll be the first one dealt with. If something is fixing to go down, you don't want to be first one to take the assault, I don't care how much training you've had, you'll likely be dead before you have a chance to respond, if it happens fast and is a suprise.
On the other hand, if you appear weak and cowardly, you make an easy target for people to try you. You want to appear strong enough that the bad guys will think twice, and turn their attention away from you and go to an easier target.
All that being said, I think most of the above is for when you are in public with other people around you. When you are on your property , I think it helps to present the stongest front you can. I collect military vehicles, and do a lot of shooting at my place. I'm kind of jokingly known in the community as "the crazy gun guy with all those army trucks". People that know me know I'm harmless, but it's not a bad reputation to have. A few years ago we had a rash of break-ins. Every single one of my neighbors either had their house broken into or at least an outbuilding or garage, but nobody ever bothered my place. I can't help but think my "reputation" may have had something to do with that, on top of that my place looks very secure from the road. Of course being known as "the crazy gun guy with the army trucks" also lets it be known that there could be good rewards for anybody lucky enough to complete a successful robery, but it's worked out so far.
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6 minutes ago, No_0ne said:
The problem with your theory is that Trump doesn't give a rip about guns, gun rights, gun owners, the NFA or anything else mentioned here. He may indeed go out "scorched earth", but it won't be a version that has anything even remotely to do with Second Amendment rights ...
Maybe he doesn't give a flip about gun rights, but if he knows he could piss off a liberal, he may would do it for that fact alone.
Aside from the "bump stock ban" Trump has been pretty indifferent towards gun rights. I'll take that any day than somebody like Biden, or eventrually Harris, that is going to take an active role to try to disarm us.
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On 8/31/2020 at 1:32 AM, VolunteerJeff106 said:
And honestly, the thought of OWB carry makes every fiber of my being cringe.
Why so? There are plenty of ways to "conceal" OWB. Sure, there is going to be a bump in the outer garment in certain positions, but the causual observer will never look twice.
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On 11/19/2020 at 7:37 AM, DaveTN said:
Oh, I agree there is evidence, the problem is time. Generally in a crime you are dealing few a few people at most, in limited locations. Here you have thousands of criminals spread across the country, throughout many jurisdictions. There’s just no way that can be proven prior to January.
And come January, it will all go away and you'll never hear another word about it. Sadly, if Binden takes office we will never know the truth, because they won't even take a look at it.
Trump tried to take on the Machine, but it was just too much for him to do. It was all setup awhile ago, by even people in his own administration. This country is gone, most people are just to blind to know it, and I think we all know what it will take to get it back.
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This is probably currently the best chance we've ever had for this happening. While probably not likely, I could see something like this happen. I've got a feeling, if Trump does in fact loose, that he won't be afraid to go "scorched earth" on his way out.
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On 7/4/2020 at 7:17 PM, bersaguy said:
"If any moderators think this should be removed please do so"
I have a friend that lives up there, well actually I have a few friends that live up there and yes a couple of them are black friends I grew up knowing and they have told me that they moved out into the suburbs to keep their children from being killed and not by police, but just because they refused to join a Street gang. They said there are weekends that there is as many as 100 kids and young adults are killed by gangs and the police don't even investigate them. The Mayor has said they can't afford to spend the money to investigate the murders and have been told not to even patrol the gang districts.
I only have 2 questions and that is, Does the life of George Floyd have any more importance to his family than the families of any of the young black children being killed in Chicago? Why has the BLM Movement not been in Chicago to spread their message????? Do you think it might be because they are not paid enough money to go into the "Devils Den????"
I was talking to a friend that has a brother on the CPD. He said the same thing about the murders. He said that unless they have some easily attainable hard evidence or direct witnesses willing to testify, they just write the report and move on. He said there are just too many and not enough resources to put much time into murder investigations. The cops don't like it, but it is what it is. They have to hurry up and finish the report on the current murder, because there is always another one waiting on them to respond to.
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Had a young punk behind the counter at a gun shop tell me the NRA has been disbanded. I told him that was funny, because I'm a life member and they still send me the magazine and the letters in the mail wanting more money.
I signed up for a life membership years ago, but I don't send them any extra money. There is no doubt that they have some serious upper management problems, but I still think it's worth it to be a member. Those huge membership numbers do have an effect on swaying politicians, if nothing else.
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I carry pretty much everywhere concealed, OWB, with a shirt or coat covering. If I want to be a little less noticeable, I carry the M&P Shield, but most of the time have the G17. Sure, it bulges and prints, but nobody notices. At church, I really don't care, but don't want to go all out open carry, just for out of respect to not freak out some little old lady. Pretty much everybody that needs to know knows I'm armed at church, as well as I know about the others that are armed.
I'd carry a rifle to church if I thought I could get away with it, without freaking people out. Our church is fairly large, and if it comes down to it, it's very possible that you may have to make a fairly long shot, with friendlies in close proximity. To me, it's a whole different ballgame just carrying to protect yourself and your family by your side, than going to feeling responsible to help protect an entire congregation.
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I've thought about this, but don't know if I trust them 100%. I'd like to try one on my carry gun, as my practice with them on my rifles I get noticeably quicker with target acquisition.
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The sign seems to indicate that if you are open carrying you are ok.
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Just get you a good OWB holster and a sport coat. Been carrying a Glock 17 this way to church for several years now. Nobody knows I'm carrying unless I tell them. You can draw pretty fast, as long as you leave the coat unbuttoned.
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Sometimes a Glock 17, when I'm wearing a jacket. Most of the time a M&P Shield 9mm. Always OWB in a Blackhawk Serpa holster. I can conceal "good enough" with even the 17 and a untucked shirt or jacket. I've tried several IWB, and they just don't fit me.
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CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY
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I understand your concerns, but I think the permit system is a false sense of security. Lets face it, any idiot can pass the HCP class. Shoot, when I took mine we graded our own papers, and as long as nobody got shot at the range you passed that part.
I do think that when a cop runs your license or sees your HCP and sees that you are a HCP holder it eases their mind a little, because it tells them right away that you at least can pass a background check.