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Read through the thread for info on a competent engraver (prefer laser). Any new info on someone in Middle Tennessee who is still doing engraving of firearms?

Update from NFACTA Town Hall Meeting at SHOT. Talks about delyas and something I had not heard, import barrels have to be torch cut now, not drilled: SHOT Show 2012 – ATF Town Hall Meeting and NFATCA Meeting – Dealers and Manufacturers Take Notice January 20, 2012 The ATF Town Hall meeting was held on Wednesday, January 18, 2012, and the NFATCA meeting was held tonight. While there was nothing earth shattering from the Town Hall meeting, there were some very interesting issues that were discussed at the NFATCA meeting. With regards to the ATF Town Hall, the big issue discussed was the impending changes to the residency requirements for an alien. On December 22, 2012, the ATF issued an open letter to all FFLs regarding changes to its interpretation of of the residency requirement for aliens. Currently, 27 CFR 478.11 provides that residency be determined differently for US citizens than for legal aliens. As the letter states, “A U.S. citizen’s State of residence is the State in which he or she is present with the intention of making a home; while an alien is considered a resident of a State if he or she has resided in that State for a period of at least 90 days prior to the date of transfer with the intention of making a home.†ATF is now entering into rulemaking to remove the 90-day residency requirement for legal aliens. However, until rulemaking is complete, the current regulation still applies. Nevertheless, ATF stated that no Industry Operations Inspector (IOI) should cite an FFL for not complying with this documentation requirement. Accordingly, if you are cited for an failure to comply with this requirement, contact me immediately to discuss your options. Also discussed was the fact that all manufacturers will have until April 2nd, 2012 (not April 1, 2012) to file their annual manufacturing report. While ATF will mail you out a copy, if you don’t receive a copy or want to be ahead of the curve, here is a copy of the ATF Form 5300.11. For those who are unaware, you can file this report via email by emailing it to AFMER2@atf.gov. You will receive a confirmation email of their receipt of the form within several days. If you have questions about filling out the 5300.11, most of your questions can be answered here. And yes, even if you did not manufacture a single firearm, you must submit the form. When the ATF was asked the status of the Chief Law Enforcement Officer signature being removed from the Form 1 and Form 4, ATF would only acknowledge that it was aware of the request, that the request had merit, but that it was still being reviewed internally at ATF and there was absolutely no time frame established for a determination, since even if ATF was in agreement, it would require them to go through rulemaking, which would seem to indicate that we are at least a year away from any change. The issue of ATF Form 1 and Form 4 processing was also brought up. ATF’s response was that they are under the hiring freeze of the DOJ and while they have attempted to bring in temporary employees and move people around from different departments, due to the increase in NFA applications, the wait time of 4 – 6 months is not likely to change anytime soon. During the NFATCA meeting, it was disclosed that the ATF, as of last week, has changed its opinion regarding the proper procedure for deactivating a barrel for importation. Previously, ATF issued a letter stating that drilling three holes into the barrel was sufficient. While destroying the functionality of the barrel, it allowed for the barrel to be used in a dummy-gun for a collector, who basically desired a non-functioning replica of a particular firearm. ATF has now announced that it is requiring any such imported barrel to be torch cut in three locations. Also, ATF has now stated that after having the Department of Justice (DOJ), Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) review 18 U.S.C. § 922, it has been decided by OLC that a manufacture may stockpile as many post-86 machineguns as that manufacturer sees fit; however, only the manufacturer may manufacture the post-86 machinegun. What this means, is that it is no longer acceptable or legal, even if the manufacturer has a variance approving the following, for one manufacturer to manufacture the receiver, register the receiver on a Form 2, and then transfer the receiver on a Form 3 to another manufacturer for completion. The OLC has determined that the only transfer of a post-86 machinegun is to a law enforcement agency. There are clearly other concerning issues with regards to this that I will not address, in the hopes that they have eluded ATF. Lastly, the NFATCA informed everyone that ATF is under specific direction that anything less than 100% during a compliance inspection must result in some form of administrative action. ATF will be conducting compliance inspections of all dealers within 36 months; the days of not having a compliance inspection for 10 years are a thing of the past. And that is pretty much all the hot topics from the ATF Town Hall meeting and NFATCA meeting.

Unless you get someone fairly high up in BATFE's hierarchy, probabaly the most knowledgeable at this time would be the folks at the National Firearms Act Trade & Collectors Association: NFATCA Although a lot of guys here on the forum don't like them, NFATCA was the predominate force behind this pending change.

What Capbyrd said. subguns usually has a thread going on it. Conventional wisdom is that we are still a year or more away.

If you have something to get processed, now is the time. Looks like the requirement for CLEO sign off will be eliminated soon, which will open the flood gates for all those people who couldn't get a signature and didn't want to go the trust route. 5 to 6 month delay, as it is now, will seem pretty fast.

Not going to debate. Just reporting what the official trade organization for NFA weapons (dealers and collectors) recommends. I'll let the board members make up their own mind on what causes delays. If you have an interest in preserving the ownership of NFA weapons, I highly recommend membership. NFATCA

The National Firearms Act Trade & Collectors Association (NFATCA) just reported that average Form 4 processing time is now 5 months. With the limited number of examiners on staff, each examiner processes an average of 50 forms a day (9,600 a month). Bottom line, please don't call if it hasn't been 5 or 6 months. Each call just delays their work.

Not quite. The Feds are asserting that any weapon part that "travels in interstate commerce" is regulated. So, all parts would have to be made and assembled in TN. But, they go even further. Are the parts milled from steel that originated and was processed soley in TN? The interstate commerce clause is far reaching. I'm watching the MT case with interest.

He's been shopping that rifle for years at shows all over the US. He's in the ballpark for a sale (maybe $5,000 to $10,000 too high), but it will eventually sell. A friend has one out in Utah and has developed a whole display with it as the centerpeice.

I'm still laughing at this one!!

Thanks everyone. Got a couple of good leads to follow up on. As a supproessor owner myself, the tax stamp issue does cut into resale value of a used one. And, round count is VERY important as well as maintenance on a used one. I moved back home from UT a couple of years ago and my large SOT dealer always had a few on hand, with low, low mileage. They always got nsapped up quick.

Anyone know of a stocking TN dealer who may have demo/used 5.56 suppressors? Preferably Gemtech. (Can't see buying something NIW that is intended to be used.) I talked to Gemtech last week and a lot of their TN dealer info appears to be out of date, with no activity by the dealer in a couple of years.

With our work phones in-op after the tornados in Huntsville, we (Fed LEO office) were working off cell phones. I also place calls to the west coast from home with my govt cell. Better than hanging around the office until someone in CA gets home from work with a 2hr time difference. Some houses that were hit by tornados lost entire weapons collections. Gone. I still don't know how a tornado can pick up a rifle or handgun and just carry it away! One owner lost 23 weapons (not in a safe) and only found 3 so far. BATFE may just be trying to get a jump on entering lost weapons into NCIC.

Except a MUCH smaller ammo budget!! I've watched them shoot rental mini-guns at KCR, and that money goes quick. But, after the first time, they line up to do it again.

I'm a fan of the Tri-Tech Delta 1 sling. Quality materials and fair price. It has a section of shock absording material inside for when you drop the rifle during transition. Used this during deployment to Afghanistan. Rick sent my unit a whole box of of pistol lanyards prior to us deploying to Iraq, no charge. Tell him Lance sent you, you won't be sorry. TriTech Training/Mission First, Inc.

Ankle glove. Neoprene and skeepskin.

jiipeters, Move to TN and this won't be an issue.

Any recommendations for a company to move a safe in southern Middle TN? (I've moved it before and really don't want to do it again.)

Second johnnychimpo. I carry the Galco, with the added calf strap, for duty carry almost everyday in the summer. (Paddle holster when jacket or suit is worn in cooler weather, and shoulder holster when flying). Obviously not the fastest holster out there but it does not require the obvious shirt untucked to conceal. Very comfortable, not noticeable. While not near as easy to qualify with, it is do-able.

Form 5 it is! Don't go through a dealer. You can get the forms directly from BATF, and they are also available electronically on line. Here is a nice fillable form: http://www.titleii.com/pdf/010205-Form5.pdf

I found a bunch of M79 parts. Unfortunately they are in Thailand. More M79 launcher parts seized

It's a sellers market. You might some parts at gunshows, or set gunbroker to email you when a parts is listed. But for J&T, they are sometimes the only game in town. Word gets out whensomeone has extra parts and they go quickly. Do you know about grogs? That is where all the DD folks hang out.

I did get some from J&T, mainly just little springs and such. The prices added up pretty quick. If I recall, their catalog has a pretty good exploded view of an M79. If they say they have the parts, jump on them. Might be worth a phone call to establish a relationship with the sales dept.

For complete M203, that isn't too bad. A fake M79 barrel recently sold on gunbroker for $705. A stripped, well used one sold for $525. Sights and other parts for the barrel will bring the total barrel cots to over $1,000. I haven't priced the M203 receivers in a while but Ohio Rapid Fire made their own, at a reasonable price. Cast 80% receivers are around as well if you have the machinging skills. Barrels can be found for $300-$400, parts sets about the same. For me it is all about trying to find the best parts at the lowest prices. I kick myself all the time for not snapping up an original M79 receiver I saw at a gunshow inside one of those glass topped boxes. This was about 10 years ago. At the time I had no idea what it was, and probably wouldn't have been interested anyway. Price - $150. Randy Shivak has some nice receivers, but they are pricey. SHIVAK MACHINING - PRODUCTS

A welded receiver will bring less than an original. Used to be quite a bit of difference, but as the supply has dried up, that margin grows smaller. Building a M79 is getting harder and harder. Randy Shivak used to sell new receivers, but stopped. Even if you can find the receiver, the internals are a pain and there are a BUNCH of parts. Best way to go now is a M203. Barrels are still available. Just remember, you can have either the barrel OR the receiver without BATF paperwork. You have to have your approved Form 1 before getting the other part. Or, if you have lots of money just go for a complete launcher on a Form 4.