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I’m seeing a lot of “old ones” for sale lately. My first thought when I see them is I wonder if they’re getting the Xero

I’ve just ordered one of these myself after reading the reviews. The reviews certainly made it appealing.

I haven’t been to the CMP site in a long time. I just got back on another site that I’ve been a member of for well over a decade. Shame on me for being away so long but, life happens. That place is a virtual ghost town now. I couldn’t believe it and didn’t have the heart to message the admin to ask why.

This could be from the lots that were not accepted as the official lot for the championship. Back in the day, several lots were produced and then a single lot was accepted to be used in the national match. I had a box, for instance, of the accepted lot from 1968. I’m just speculating.

I guess I should have made it clearer; He did not have any guns on him and told them so when asked. They STILL asked him about all of the ones they had listed. Mind you, I'm sure the ones they asked about were all first-time-purchase store guns. Obviously they wouldn't know about any others. As to your other point: Fortunately, Tennessee does do one of the most -if not the most- thorough checks when a gun is transferred. They (TBI) do a stolen gun check as well as a background check. I like that. I wouldn't want anyone's stolen gun.

Well, I now know for a hard fact that this event really happened. I heard from a friend of a friend and couldn't believe it when I first heard it. Matter of fact, I didn't believe it at all. I figured that he had misunderstood......... until I finally spoke directly -this very morning- to the guy that it happened to. Here goes: He was in Detroit. While there, they decided to ride over into Canada. When they passed through Canadian customs, the agent asked if they had any guns, contraband, blah blah blah as you would expect. The agent ran his driver's license. The Canadian agent then began to ask him "Do you still own this (gun)? Do you still own this (gun)? Do you still own this (gun)? until he had asked him about every gun that was in the system. He told me that some of them he could barely remember until the Customs agent aked about them. The whole thing kind of blew his mind. Now, what did that have to do with visiting Canada? It's not like he was on a hunting trip. For those of you who say that eTrace is only used if there's a crime, what's your answer to this? As I said, he wasn't even the one that told me about it originally. Anyone have an answer ???? <!-- / message --><!-- attachments --><!-- / attachments --><!-- sig -->

The WORLD'S LEOs? or America's LEOs. I see Mexico having access to gun owner info as a VERY bad deal along with any other foreign government. They're so crooked they can't even trust eachother down there. I guess anyone that wants to think it's alright can but I don't.

It might not be the same as a centralized registry but it wouldn't take much to pull the info together and compile it. I've never even thought twice about buying one, the 4473, background check, etc. or I wouldn't have done it so many times. Apparently, they think I'm alright enough to own one. To me, it's the principal here. I'll make this clear: I'm not a fearmonger, anti-gov type, cospiracy theorist, etc. either. I just felt like this should be shared with other gun owners.

Hillbilly, the thing that bothers me the most is the fact that foreign Governments have access to it. I was told that after the background check was done and the gun was yours, by law, the records had to be purged by the end of the day. I know there is a record in every FFL's log book.

You may have a point about whether or not it qualifies as a registry or not by definition -I'll concede that- but why should other countries have access to the info?

Did you read the whole thing? The GAO article states very clearly that Mexico is trained to use and has access to eTrace. If you go to the ATF's eTrace site it even says who has access and that includes other Governments. Gimme a break. Don't dismiss it because Wikipedia is one of the sources. Better yet, if you have anything that refutes it, post it. I'd like to hear it.

Apparently, all of this time I thought our personal information was protected and no list of sales was kept by the Government when we purchase a firearm from a licensed dealer as outlined in the Gun Control Act of 1968, which specifically forbids the establishment of a centralized Federal gun registry. Well, I'm either misunderstanding what I'm reading -I think not- or I've been misled on how the whole "system" works for a while now. Now I think I know why there's such a push to use the "Gun Show Loophole" phrase to scare politicians into creating more laws to track firearms. Quote: <TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset" class=alt2>ATF publicized global access in United Nations Disarmament Marking and Tracing Workshops held in Nairobi, Kenya in December, 2007, Lomé, Togo in April, 2008, Rio de Janeiro in June, 2008, and other locations. ATF reports over 2,000 agencies around the world and over 10,000 individuals have access to American gun owner personal information. Tracing data is of no value without identifying the individual purchaser (name & address), so ATF specifically provides "a description of the original retail purchaser" to the requestor. In GAO Report 09-709, ATF reports the National Tracing Center, “conducts the gun traces, and returns information on their findings to the submitting partyâ€. Countries formally provided with eTrace software and access to American gun owner names and addresses include: <SUP></SUP> 1. Mexico, 2. Colombia, 3. Suriname, 4. Tobago, 5. Guyana, 6. Canada, 7. Germany, 8. Bahamas, 9. Jamaica, 10. Dominican Republic, 11. Barbados, 12. Anguilla, 13. Antigua, 14. Barbuda, 15. Aruba, 16. Curacao, 17. Dominica, 18. Grenada, 19. St Vincent, 20. Grenadines 21. St. Lucia, 22. Belize, 23. Costa Rica, 24. El Salvador, 25. Guatemala, 26. Panama, 27. St. Kitts, 28. Nevis, 29. several Caribbean police forces, 30. Britain, 31. Australia, 32. Japan. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <SUP></SUP> If Wikipedia's definition/information is wrong http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETrace, no one has refuted it. Take time to read this too. This is where I first saw the reference to the eTrace system while reading about the Mexican-American "gun problem". Apparently our Government has no issue at all with letting KNOWN corrupt governments like Mexico -OR ANY FOREIGN G'MENT FOR THAT MATTER- have Federally OK'd access to our names and addresses via eTrace as outlined in this GAO document. By the way, the original document was missing but I found an archived copy of it here: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:sha7kDhaJIYJ:http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d09709.pdf#64 Here's an article about Belgium being onboard: http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2010/03/robert-farago/atf-etrace-jpf/

Amen. At this point, I regret taking the time to start reading it. Actually, I should have started at the end and the reading would have stopped sooner.

You did good by getting the 1:7 twist rate. You'll be able to shoot those heavier grained bullets I was talking about and twist them like they need to be. You should be able to tell easily whether or not the barrel is chrome lined. Just look down it. If it's not, don't worry. You won't wear out a chromoly one either- more than likely- but the chrome is better for shooting Wolf, etc. because of the poly coating and general fouling. The model should be on the lower receiver but if someone built it, it's sometimes hard to tell who made the upper. They're not usually marked with the manufacturers's name on them. Congrats on the AR.

Good question. Seems like "out of character" for someone who has been a member since 2007. Could it be that his "significant other" found some purchase receipts, pitched a fit and posted for him???? Things that make you go Hmmmm.

Where's the easy button?

I agree with that. Buy the upper complete and then build the lower to save money. That will ensure that your BCG is dialed in already. The only issue is resale. Alot of folks want a completely factory built rifle. I do not agree with leaving out Stag in your list though

If you didn't live so far away, you could have my Sabre Defense XR15. You'd definitely be getting your money's worth. One thing to consider is twist rate. If you are going to shoot heavier bullets, you might want to consider a 1:7 twist. If you're wanting a carbine, that would eliminate the "20 models. Do you want a flat top or fixed carry handle? That obviously dictates alot as far as optics options go. Name brands? Now that's where the can of worms gets opened.

Boy howdy. You just opened a can of worms LOL. Everyone has a opinion when it comes to ARs. As for the 5.56, you can get one with a Wylde chamber that is made to accomodate the 5.56/.223 issue.