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  1. 39-17-1351(n)(1) Except as provided in subdivision (n)(2) and subsection (x), a permit issued pursuant to this section shall be good for eight (8) years and shall entitle the permit holder to carry any handgun or handguns that the permit holder legally owns or possesses. The permit holder shall have the permit in the holder's immediate possession at all times when carrying a handgun and shall display the permit on demand of a law enforcement officer.
  2. https://www.tn.gov/safety/tnhp/handgun/reciprocity.html Alaska, Arizona, Kansas, Louisiana, Texas and Virginia only honor permits from those 21 or older. TN reciprocity listing doesn’t show them as 21 only. Nevada Honors the WV Provisional which is only issued to those 18 to 20 years old. When they turn 21 they have to convert it to the WV Regular Permit. TN says Nevada doesn't honor permits issued to those 18-20 Y/O. West Virginia does honor non-resident permits from the states it honors but you must be 21 even though they issue to their residents who are 18. They removed that Resident Only from their statutes 10 to 12 years ago. I know this as I am a West Virginia Resident and a Firearms Instructor and talk to the people in the Capitol that take care of Reciprocity issues for West Virginia. Even the states don't have all the correct info. I don't believe anyone can have everything 100% as the laws are so screwy and then some Judge makes a ruling or some AG comes along and changes how he/she says they are going to interrupt this or that law or even write a new Administrative Rule. Then it really gets crazy. Gary Slider
  3. IF you look at the SC Page at www.handgunlaw.us the map only concerns the Enhanced Permit issued by TN and not their Concealed Permit. Handgunlaw.us is working on a list of states that will honor the TN Concealed Permit. We state that below the map with a Red "NOTICE" saying that not all states that honor the Enhanced will honor the Concealed. DE, NV, PA and WI most likely will not honor the TN Concealed but not positive about that just going on what they have done in the past. Nebraska has already stated they will not honor the TN concealed. It will be a good while before we know what states will or won't honor the Concealed and that is the reason we made the Map on the TN Page only valid for those with an Enhanced TN. https://statepatrol.nebraska.gov/services/concealed-handgun-permits/nebraska-reciprocity Gary Slider
  4. Nebraska is now reporting they will not honor the TN Concealed Permit. https://statepatrol.nebraska.gov/services/concealed-handgun-permits/nebraska-reciprocity
  5. Yes you should know that laws of other states. That is the reason www.handgunlaw.us exists. You also need to know what states honor your permit. There are states that don't put out that info. They will list states they have reciprocity with but won't list the states that honor their permit. I have been told over the years at least 100 times that I list states X honoring state Y and that is false as state Y doesn't have an agreement with state X. Washington State AG states on his website: To gather this information, we send out an annual survey to each state. As we obtain updated responses, we revise the list of reciprocal states and their laws. They only list 10 states they have reciprocity with but 25 states honor the Washington permit. They don't tell their residents that. The CA AG doesn't even tell California residents that 24 other states honor the CA perm,it. There are a lot more like that, TN should do the same for their residents as they are in position to get something in writing. Many states are making a fortune on what they charge to get a permit they can at least tell those who are supporting their gun divisions who honors that permit. Stay Safe, Gary Slider
  6. There will be a number of states that will honor the Tennessee Concealed Permit. There will be some who will only honor it for those 21 or older. Then there will be some that will only honor the Tennessee Enhanced. Time will tell and www.handgunlaw.us is looking into this and hoping in the future to have a listing of states that will honor the TN Concealed. I will tell you that the info TN puts out is pretty good. https://www.tn.gov/safety/tnhp/handgun/apply.html There is a problem On their reciprocity listing though. They state that WV doesn't honor their permit if they are under 21 which is true. But they also state WV only honors Resident permits. This is false. That was stricken from WV statutes a dozen years ago. This is my home state and I have talked directly to those in WV who are in charge of this in WV. What the permit holders of TN need to do if they want to know what states will honor the Concealed Permit is contact your Reps and Sen in the state and have them pass a bill or even just talk to the TN Highway Patrol and have Them contact every state that honors TN and ask them if they will honor the Concealed Permit. Idaho does this every year for their two year permit system. This is something that benefits Tennessee Residents who have the Concealed Permit. Government is there to assist the Citizens when they need help so this should be something they help with. They are also in position to get something in writing from the other states that will answer a lot of questions. Stay Safe, Gary Slider Co-Owner/Researcher www.handgunlaw.us
  7. Feel like an idiot now. I thought I clicked on both in the left column but only one of them. It took me right to the page. Thank you again.
  8. Thank you. I never had trouble in the past and went looking this time and couldn't find a path to it.
  9. I am having problems finding a copy of Senate Bill 1058 as signed by the Governor. I go to this link that everyone supplies but can't find the wording of the signed bill.http://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/BillInfo/Default.aspx?BillNumber=%20SB1237&GA=109   Can anyone supply me with a link to the bill that shows the wording and changes in the law? Need the wording to update the Tennessee Page at Handgunlaw.us  Thank you and Stay safe,   My Additional Question is when this law goes into effect. Without a date in the bill TN law requires a bill to become law 40 days after its passage. At least that is what I am reading in TN Law. I take that to mean the Parking Lot Bill will take effect on or about May 16,2015. 40 days after the Governor signed it. Am I correct in that assumption?
  10. Things have been going much better than I ever imagined. Thanks to everyone who has given me feedback. It has really helped! This is all still  in draft form. I will say that I caused some lively debate on some state forums. Information was exchanged and laws discussed and in some cases there was no clear answer.  Some depended on what the definition of “IS” is!  Had to throw that “Is” in there as some laws are so hard to understand and even read. It just showed how out of touch some lawmakers are/were when writing gun laws.   I have reworked the first page trying to explain that people need to look at Places off Limits etc on each States Page at www.handgunlaw.us. Plus other information they need to be aware of. I have also made the states name on each section a link to that States Page at Handgunlaw.us so they can access it easily.   The states I have information for still need looked at by others and feedback on what may need added or removed would be greatly appreciated. The biggest problem is that if there is no law against something it is legal. Laws are so varied and spread out in the Statutes/Administrative Rules and Hunting Regulations it can be tough to find some of them. Then if there is not a law against it you can search forever and there is nothing to find. I have been cautious on some state entries. I just don’t have enough information and don’t want to get someone arrested and maybe lose their gun rights. That is where your feedback can assist me. Then we get to the Catch 22 again as there may be no law against it so you can’t show a statute/Rule Etc that states it is legal!   Below is a link to the latest Draft. Again feedback is most welcome! This is the same link to the first Draft Document. I just updated it. Thanks again to everyone who has assisted me. It is very much appreciated! http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/LongGunDraftDocument.pdf
  11. www.handgunlaw.us is seeking assistance in cataloging all the states laws/regs on keeping a long gun in a vehicle all the time. Due to what is happening in the world and here at home I am seeing the question more and more about carrying a long gun in a vehicle all the time. What just happened in Canada got me 5 emails on the day it happened  and at least one every days since about Long Guns in Vehicles. Loaded/Unloaded. Cased/Uncased. Trunk or back of vehicle or anywhere in the vehicle or not allowed etc etc. Information people would need to stay within the law in their state or a state they travel to with a long gun in their vehicle. Sad to say but it is us good guys/gals that only obey the law but we have to know what they are to stay within them.    All this info will be assembled and put into one document for all the states. It will be available free for anyone who wishes to view the information. There is no more knowledgeable people to ask than those who live and use firearms in their home state is the reason I am asking this on a lot of different state specific Firearm Forums.   The laws/Administrative Rules Laws on Long Guns can be almost non-existent or spelled out completely. Many times they can be found in the hunting laws. If you could assist Handgunlaw.us with the alpha/numeric code for a state statute or Administrative Rule or a link to the states hunting laws that spell out the states stance on carrying long guns in vehicles it would be greatly appreciated. I have to have something official from a state agency. I would appreciate an email with the info sent to admins@handgunlaw.us as I can miss PM’s etc if possible.   This will takes a few months to gather all this info and catalog it as I have to check everything out. I will post a link to the finished document on every Firearm Forum that I post this request on.  That link will also be added to www.handgunlaw.us Thank you for your time and assistance. Handgunlaw.us  is what it is because of all the assistance I get from those who give me a heads up  on law changes and help me in so many different ways to keep Handgunlaw.us up to date.
  12. Again, Thank you. I kept seeing the draft bill and saw how it really changed things. But I was not hearing much about it which if those changes had been made it would have most likely been being talked about a whole lot. WIthout that chatter out there I knew something wasn't correct with what I was seeing so this was the best place to ask. Can't beat finding out info from a state chat forum. There are always people in places like this who know exactly what is going on in their state. Thank you again.
  13. So just section D was changed in 39-17-1313? That replaced all what was in the original bill which I kept seeing. So not much really changed except that an inadvertent showing of your firearm when storing it  is not a crime.  Thank you. That is what I was trying to find out. The Draft bill would have become effective immediately but this change doesn’t until May 1.   
  14. The Bill the Governor Signed 2/19 if the wording is the same as on this link. This is SB 1700. Another bill SB 1701  is on the Governors desk is another addition to this law.   IT does clean up the bill and prohibits an employer from banning storage of a firearm on company property in their vehicle. This and some more wording were added to the law, Again if the wording in the link above is the correct wording.  That is why I am trying to find the copy of the bill as signed by the Governor. It does make changes.   http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/108/Amend/SA0576.pdf   (f) No person, business entity, employer, or governmental entity who is the owner, lessee, or manager of real property shall prohibit, bring criminal charges against, or take any other adverse action against any person transporting or storing personal property pursuant to this section. Any person, business entity, employer, or governmental entity that takes any adverse action, including, but not limited to, firing, disciplining, demoting, or otherwise punishing a person engaging in conduct in compliance with this section shall be liable for civil damages.   Note Editing as I am having trouble putting links in. This board has a specific way to put links in. Not use to that.
  15. TGO,  That is the link I needed. The Final Text is not available yet but should be. Only the Draft text is available at this time at the linnk. But it should show up there. Thank you.
  16. monkeylizard, That was the law before the Governor signed SB 1700  It was signed 2/19/2014.  The new law is what I am looking for and can't find the bill wording as signed by the Governor.
  17. www.handgunlaw..us is not positive It has the right wording for the new law signed by the Governor on 2/19. What I can find is this from the TN Legislature and the only wording I can find is as an Amendment. I believe this is the bill as signed but not positive. Can anyone point me to a link that shows the bill wording as signed other than this link. Thannk you for any assistance you can give Handgunlaw.us in this matter.   http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/108/Amend/SA0576.pdf
  18. OK I had a spelling/grammar error in the first edition of the note. Had employee when it should have been employer. Here is what I have for the note Now.     Parking Lot Storage Law   39-17-1313.   (This law becomes effective 7/1/13.)   (a) Notwithstanding §§ 39-17-1309, 39-17-1311, or § 39-17-1359, unless expressly prohibited by federal law, the holder of a valid handgun carry permit recognized in Tennessee may transport and store a firearm or firearm ammunition in the permit holder’s privately-owned motor vehicle, as defined in § 55-1-103, while on or utilizing any public or private parking area if:      (1) The permit holder’s vehicle is parked in a location where it is permitted to be; and      (2) The firearm or ammunition being transported or stored in the vehicle:           (A) Is kept from ordinary observation if the permit holder is in the motor vehicle; or           ( B ) Is kept from ordinary observation and locked within the trunk, glove box, or interior of the                      person’s privately owned motor vehicle or a container securely affixed to such vehicle if the                     permit holder is not in the vehicle.   ( b ) No business entity, public or private employer, or the owner, manager, or legal possessor of the property shall be held liable in any civil action for damages, injuries or death resulting from or arising out of another’s actions involving a firearm or ammunition transported or stored in accordance with subsection (a) unless the business entity, public or private employer, or the owner, manager, or legal possessor of the property commits an offense involving the use of the stored firearm or ammunition or intentionally solicits or procures the conduct resulting in the damage, injury or death. Nor shall a business entity, public or private employer, or the owner, manager, or legal possessor of the property be responsible for the theft of a firearm or ammunition stored "by the holder of a valid handgun carry permit in the permit holder's privately-owned motor vehicle".   ( c ) For purposes of this section:      (1) “Parking area” means any property provided by a business entity, public or private employer, or the                 owner, manager, or legal possessor of the property for the purpose of permitting its invitees,             customers, clients or employees to park privately-owned motor vehicles; and      (2) “Parking area” does not include the grounds or property of a owner-occupied, single-family detached                 residence, or a tenant-occupied single-family detached residence.   Note: My understanding of the law is that a valid permit/license holder can store a firearm in a public or private parking area and not be breaking any laws. The law is specific that the vehicle must be the “permit holder’s privately-owned motor vehicle.”  The law also does not cover workplaces (Including Schools/Colleges/Universities) that have rules against Employees/Students having firearms on their property or in their vehicles. If your Employer/School has such a rule this law will not protect you from being Fired/Expelled but only from breaking a state law.
  19. Oh Shoot,   Thank you for the kind words. They are very much appreciated. As you can see I have 4 posts. I don't post much only when I am seeking information. I do check in and look for anything that may be of value to Handgunlaw.us. Been a member for over 6 years and only 4 posts. So you see I post alot. Chat forums are a good place to pick up something that has changed. I know where to look once I know something has changed. Its just knowing when to look.   Going with Valid permit/license holder so that would be everyone.
  20. Would this be better wording for the last two sentences?   Origninal Wording:  The law also does not cover workplaces that have rules against employee’s having firearms on their property or in their vehicles. If your employee has such a rule this law will not protect you from being fired but only from breaking a state law.   New wording: The law also does not cover workplaces (Including Schools/Colleges/Universities) that have rules against Employee’s/Students having firearms on their property or in their vehicles. If your Employee/School has such a rule this law will not protect you from being Fired/Expelled but only from breaking a state law.   I am also going to change the first sentence to: My understanding of the law is that a valid permitlicense holder can store a firearm in a public or private parking area and not be breaking any laws.  (Removing "you" and replacing it with the bold.
  21. I am trying to understand the Parking Lot Storage Bill the best I can. I am going to add this to the Tennessee page at http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/tennessee.pdf   I would appreciate any feedback on the wording especially the NOTE at the end of the posting. I am still not sure how the law applies to parking lots that are posted, "No Firearms."  Thank you for any assistance you can give Handgunlaw.us in this matter.       Parking Lot Storage Law     39-17-1313.   (This law becomes effective 7/1/13.)   (a) Notwithstanding §§ 39-17-1309, 39-17-1311, or § 39-17-1359, unless expressly prohibited by federal law, the holder of a valid handgun carry permit recognized in Tennessee may transport and store a firearm or firearm ammunition in the permit holder’s privately-owned motor vehicle, as defined in § 55-1-103, while on or utilizing any public or private parking area if:      (1) The permit holder’s vehicle is parked in a location where it is permitted to be; and      (2) The firearm or ammunition being transported or stored in the vehicle:           (A) Is kept from ordinary observation if the permit holder is in the motor vehicle; or           ( B ) Is kept from ordinary observation and locked within the trunk, glove box, or interior of the                      person’s privately owned motor vehicle or a container securely affixed to such vehicle if the                     permit holder is not in the vehicle.   ( b ) No business entity, public or private employer, or the owner, manager, or legal possessor of the property shall be held liable in any civil action for damages, injuries or death resulting from or arising out of another’s actions involving a firearm or ammunition transported or stored in accordance with subsection (a) unless the business entity, public or private employer, or the owner, manager, or legal possessor of the property commits an offense involving the use of the stored firearm or ammunition or intentionally solicits or procures the conduct resulting in the damage, injury or death. Nor shall a business entity, public or private employer, or the owner, manager, or legal possessor of the property be responsible for the theft of a firearm or ammunition stored "by the holder of a valid handgun carry permit in the permit holder's privately-owned motor vehicle".   (c) For purposes of this section:      (1) “Parking area” means any property provided by a business entity, public or private employer, or the                 owner, manager, or legal possessor of the property for the purpose of permitting its invitees,             customers, clients or employees to park privately-owned motor vehicles; and      (2) “Parking area” does not include the grounds or property of a owner-occupied, single-family detached                 residence, or a tenant-occupied single-family detached residence.   Note: My understanding of the law is that you can store a firearm in a public or private parking area and not be breaking any laws. The law is specific that the vehicle must be the “permit holder’s privately-owned motor vehicle.”  The law also does not cover workplaces that have rules against employee’s having firearms on their property or in their vehicles. If your employee has such a rule this law will not protect you from being fired but only from breaking a state law.
  22. I have always been told and their rules do state that there is no carry in the LBL NRA. I received the following after getting a reply from their office saying they would honor valid permit/licenses. I ask them if I could post the info on Handgunlaw.us and they ask if they could run it by their legal dept first. This is the reply I got from them. Gary, Our LE&I Captain verified that the information below is accurate and we appreciate you posting on the Tennessee Page. Kathryn Harper Manager, Communication Services USDA Land Between The Lakes National Recreation Area Land Between The Lakes | HOME Below is the information LE&I provides to the public in regards to possessing firearms at LBL NRA: 1. Possession of firearms is prohibited except during legal firearms hunting seasons by licensed hunters and going to and from the LBL NRA firearms range. Firearms must be cased and unloaded during transport. 2. Firearms possessed during legal hunting seasons by licensed hunters must be cased and unloaded (chamber + magazine) while being transported in a motorized vehicle. - LBL LE&I also states that the concealed firearms carry permit does not apply to LBL NRA at this time, although the LE officers at LBL will honor the concealed carry permit if there are no other aggravating circumstances. Examples of aggravating circumstances are, but not limited to, violation of the concealed carry permit itself, shooting from a roadway, or shooting outside of the LBL firearms rangeâ€.
  23. The TN Law does not Mention Firearms so Handgunlaw.us Says Yes unless posted. IT was stated they all were posted. I believe that under the law they have to be posted. I have been in contact with many different people in TN in and out of government and they believe what I have posted on Handgunlaw.us is the correct way to describe the situation for Carry in State Parks.

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