GLOCKMEISTER

I THINK I CAN... CKING

get the speed up around 90.... then give the guy/gal the finger as you blow by them, it works every time...

well it looks like so far the 92% of the posters that have responded have had some what positive encounters dealing with LEO. Interesting.

Yea they are limited to what they can carry thru the Metro Dept. Commision. There is only a few guns that are approved. Glock 40's, Keltec 380, SW 38 special... and thats about it from the last word I heard. If you are carrying anything else then Metro wouldnt stand behind them if they get involved in a shooting. Actually they were told if they are carrying anything besides a Dept approved weapon they arent allowed to use their police powers... and thats bs IMHO. So most just go ahead and get their civilian permit so they can carry whatever they want. At least the smart ones do.

nope... they have never done anything for any of us here in Tennessee... have they done anything anywhere else?

fact is if some of my students went by what they were told at the testing centers they would have started carrying right then and never waited for their actual permit cards in the mail.... the people at teh testing centers worry me some times!

well its gotta be either Gun City or... well Guns and Leather... in any event Im sure Rob and Co will take allot better care of him.

but your situation is totally different then his... Like Earl would say... "I think Karma has done bit you in the AZZ"...

but it doesnt always happen that way. If someone called your house and spoke to your wife, and she didnt quite understand what they were saying... does that mean you were properly notified and her response was the final say so?

they have been in the process of moving for a while now, just because they arent picking up the phone for the public doesnt mean some of us cant get him in touch with a person in the know to help him... if his story is legit. Until then I think everyone envolved deserves the benifit of a doubt. I know I can help him, but I have to have all the facts first.

Something just doesnt seem right here. Not disputing your word, but I made a few phone calls. I spoke with two persons at the Handgun Permit office that would absolutly know if something like this had went down.... they hadnt heard anything about it... I mean they didnt have a clue. They would have been the actual persons that would have pulled the trigger on an issue like this. Are you absolutely sure your talking about your Civilian Tennessee Handgun Carry Permit, and not a Armed Security Guard Qualifications License??? Can you scan the letter... show us exactly what it said? Until then I hate to rush to judgment when all the facts arent in. You can feel free to PM me if you like and I will do anything I can to help.

First of all what this seems to be is a school cutting the class too short. A class member probably complained and they investigated the class roster and determined the class wasnt done correctly. If a State person had come thru the class they shouldnt have let certificates be issued. If they were short with the range time I'll bet they cut corners elsewhere. I mean IMHO its inexcusable. When its all said and done I'll bet you actually didnt receive the proper training, which means from a liability standpoint you could be screwed if you ever have to go to court. At this point I wouldnt want the class from these clowns... I mean the paper is basically worthless. I'd let everyone know who did this too... as a responsible gun owner and citizen... do you want other people to get stuck in the same situation your in? Heres what I'd do. First of all be calm cool collective and polite... Then I'd take a COPY of that state letter down to the school and tell the owner you want a FULL REFUND... If he refuses I'd tell him you are not only going to sue him, but you will also call the media and the Nashville Better Business Bureau. I'd then take the class from a responsible instructor. I mean your really going to have too. There are plenty out there, please dont let one bad apple spoil the whole tree. If we can help in any way please let me know. If you like PM me and I can get you in touch with someone at the State that can maybe be a little more helpful.

Lorcin 380, with tape and a rubber band around the grip.

I have heard this before... My question is this, what do they do with the renewals they do thru the mail... besides lose them ... really tho.. are you supposed to mail in a copy of passport or birth cert? I think I'll make a phone call in the morning for clarification.

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why would He carry when He could take care of anything with a snap of His finger, or just a thought.... Interesting though...

yea, I didnt make my self clear. A BMW cost about 5-6 times more then a Kia. I can sell a CMMG for about the same price if not lower then a Century AR-15. The CMMG comes in an optics only rear, shorty 16in m4 configuration. I think the only way the Century comes is full length. My experience years ago with the Century AR's when they first came out... well all I can say is I just wasnt impressed. I dont think we have had any of the new ones. I guess I will have to get one in and see for my self.

wow.... got hundreds of rounds thru mine... no problems so far. But I have seen about every kind of gun blow up when using bad reloads! Just saying...

oooops, one more tidbit... hahaha... yea old buddy, I rememebr that. You were scared silly after that. But the thing is, you and I both know about that agency, they are simply the worst when when it comes to encounters with HCP holders.

Explain??? What makes you think I havent already answered it? I think I already made it very obvious previously, to everyone else, at least about courtesy. Then I will just put it like this. Along long time ago I was a rookie cop out in the county alone in the middle of no where at 2 am in the morning pulling over a guy doing 70 in a 40.... Dispatch running the tag and it comes back clean... I approached the passengers side of the vehicle, and actually surprised the driver. He was expecting me from his drivers side. He immediately pulled his hands from his lap and put them on the wheel.... then I see a handgun in between the seats, and me being a "gun" guy I 2nd guessed if the guy has a permit or not... asked ... then come to find out he didn't .... From the back part of his car, out of training and instinct my gut told me to draw my weapon and keep it to my side...when the guy saw me do this out of his mirror he immediately raised his hands.... I got him out and took the gun... found another one in his floorboard.... and the guy winds up being a convicted felon... with multiple arrest for assault on police officers. I mean, he apparently had the other gun in his hands while I was approaching the car, out of luck or Divine intervention I approached from the side he wasn't watching... who knows what his intention were... But they wernt good. Nothing else came of that incident, except he got arrested for driving on a revoked license for HTO... and possession of a handgun by a convicted felon... but the incident put me on guard after that... its one of those life changing goose bump moments... ya know, the ones where you think... "damned I'm lucky I'm going home tonight".... and you go home and have a beer. Basically I screwed up, but I lived to tell about it. In later years things happened where the same insticts to be a little more careful paid off and saved another officers life... so was it worth it, yep. You see, police are trained to act on the SIGHT of anything that can be a weapon... I'm a gun guy with about as much firearms training that one can get... so I was one of the few that were kinda relaxed around guns. But others, some would freak out if they saw one... period. You have to understand, thats their training... it means they are within a split second of not making it out of that traffic stop alive. I literally mean seconds.... They simply have to think that way. Anyway, if a LEO see's a weapon... they may react to it. But if you let them know out of courtesy their reaction should be calm cool and collective. Once you let them know, they shouldn't care unless you show them the same anger and hostility that your showing them in this thread. I can just imagine how hostile a routine traffic stop could turn out to be with you. Anyway, if you offer the information they will generally greatly appreciate you letting them know, and honestly they will have more respect for you that you did. Now about a Powerful Union? Damned which one? I never knew any legitimate powerful Union was backing me or any other police officer around here up? Anyway back to the point... See I have been on about every side of this issue... Gun owner, Shop Owner, HCP instructor, permit holder, police officer, sheriffs deputy, police trainer... so maybe I see more to it then your capable of understanding. Btw, I never dreamed you had this much apparent utter hatred for police and law enforcement. Whomever wronged you previously did society a great disservice, because I always thought you were a pretty cool guy. I think I have contributed about all I care to in this thread. Peace out. Phil

Well my friend I guess we can agree to disagree.... and I strongly disagree. Its not about rights at all. How are your Constitutional rights being violated by volunteering this information to the officer? I mean really, are you joking? If you (the citizen) ever give permission for a search you can stop that search at any time. They have to stop, its the law! Didn't you know that? In any event, who besides you mentioned "search"? Its really all about having courtesy to those whom risk their lives to protect you. Why wouldn't you want them to know? Why not give them a break? They give the public, and you yourself breaks every day. No more then giving a police officer a discount, or a soldier for that matter... and hey I give both all the time. I'm proud of the job they both do protecting my family and freedoms. So maybe the next time something happens and you call the police... maybe they just need to do exactly what the law says, their job description and their general orders call for.... and consider all the extra stuff "none of their damned business" too... So maybe your right, maybe the Police should just do their jobs and never offer to give anyone a break or exert that little extra effort that might make a difference in society. Damned, that would put us both out of business wouldnt it and we'd probably all be getting tickets every day. I know I would.

we'll we had one fail on the gun range Sat. the cylinder froze and the trigger stuck in the rear position.... so Sam's opening it up this week... so I will tell ya what he thinks pretty soon.

Man I cant believe some of you guys lack of respect and willingness to make a LEO's job easier. Why cant you just make them feel a little more secure about them stopping you. I mean whats the big freaking deal? Sure you don't have to tell them crap, if you want to get technical about it... but just remember, speeding starts at 1mph over the limit. Just imagine if LEO really enforced the speeding laws? Most of the stops you guys are referring to is with you approaching speeds that would constitute careless or reckless driving. That being said they give all of us breaks all the time. So why break out the bad attitude and the lack of courtesy. Most officers aren't out there just for craps and giggles to be a traffic Nazi. Most of the time they are taken away from real police work to make a traffic stop because someone is doing something to endanger the rest of our lives. Think about your willingness to simply be courteous the next time you see an officer.... standing for 4-6 hours directing traffic on a fatality wreck so you can make it home at a reasonable hour, he could just as easily shut down the whole road until its all cleaned up and you get home 5 hours late.... or when you or a family member is involved in one of those types of accident and the officer stays with you or your loved one giving comfort until EMS or the Lord comes to them, when all the officer really has to do is stand there and wait for EMS.... or when you have lost everything you own in a robbery and a proactive officer recovers it because he pulled over a suspicious vehicle, when all they really had to do is simply make a report and turn it into the detectives the next day.... or how about when your child is missing and an observant officers sees them and brings them back to you safe and sound, all they really had to do is read the Amber Alert and go back to being a civil rights violating traffic nazi.... ??? I just cant understand the lack of courtesy and respect coming from a group of citizens. I mean your all permit holders... where have ALL of you had this kind of negative encounter with a LEO that makes you feel like this? And don't say... "well this one time"... because you can get a bad apple in any kind of profession... but you don't go and cut down all the apple trees because there was one rotten apple. LEO should be respected enough to be given the courteous benefit of a doubt, not a bunch of ridiculing attitude. Peace out.. Phil

this is actually the worst thing you can do. It puts the officer on guard immediately. It also makes him wonder what your hiding in the car. Usually people that are under the influence of something or smuggling/hiding use this tactic to keep the officer away from the drivers compartment of the car. Its a major officer safety violation as well... so far you have been lucky.

NAGH... THEY WILL JUST ASK UP FRONT IF ANY WEAPONS ARE IN THE VEHICLE.