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  1. Sadly, because of the well-insulated world that so many live in these days, thanks due partially to how long some of our "younger" set can stay cocooned in the womb of academia for graduate and post-graduate studies, it is no longer just those fresh out of high school who operate on a vast supply of ignorance. Hence we have people well into their late twenties (and sometimes much further beyond) who subscribe to idiotic utopic theories of how the world ought to work and embrace that as their own little realities.

    We've become a nation of over educated idiots.

    Well said!! This is a great truth. Never overlook the fact that some among us are educated well passed the ability to understand and apply that education with wisdom. Others simply choose not to understand. I believe it was George Carlin who said: "We posess great knowledge and have no understanding...".

    Keep up the good work!!

    Kind regards,

    LEROY

  2. I read the commentary on this, and the consensus seems to be that the conservative judges in the case issued the ruling on purpose. This was in order to fast track a definite case on 2nd Amendment and private gun ownership to the Supreme Court.

    The ultimate goal is to affirm that Heller applies to all states, not just DC. It's all good :D

    I second this view. I think mn is exactly right.

    LEROY

  3. 1975 and they're still talking about the "Army or Navy pistol"? Those would be the Colt Model 1860 and 1861. LOLOLOLOL

    I suspect this "intent to go armed" wording is a post-civil war type law enacted during reconstruction. Hexhead's observations and quote also seems to support that view. It would be great if some legal guy would take a look at this from a historical perspective. I remember (im 62) Tennessee law always being in the "intent to go armed" wording until the HCP law was passed. In the bad old days; the sheriffs and chiefs of police passed out handgun carry permits; many times it was a political favoritism thing. The HCP law removed that ability and used the "shall issue" wording; giving the issue power to the State of Tennessee.

    Kind regards,

    LEROY

  4. .... You must have proof and this proof must be pondered by due process. ...

    Blowing up the Twin Towers on 9/11 and other murderous acts around the globe constitute proof to most people of terrorist activity. Bin Lauen himself even testified on video; taking credit for the twin tower actions. Bearing arms against the US and killing U S citizens constitutes a hostile action im most people's minds. I do, however, understand that certian folks prefer not to believe certain objective truths and require more proof. 'Due Process" is not given in war by the judiciary-- never in civilized history has this been done. It is a fantisy of the pseudointellectuals who would hijack the objective truth of things for their own childish and foolish purposes that the judiciary should be given this power.

    It is nothing more than a cynical power grab move by those who cannot get their silly ideas accepted by popular vote to take this position; or worse yet, a sinister move to subvert legitimate activities. The third possibility is that this is an exercise in pseudointellectual prattling by the childish.

    In any of the cases ive stated above; there will never be enough proof to convince those who choose not to be convinced.

    LEROY

  5. Unreal. You people are obsessed with the 2nd amendment but don't seem to care or know anything about the 4th or 5th. People have basic rights. ALL people. You can't just magically deem someone a terrorist or a criminal without DUE PROCESS. That is what makes America different from say...Russia, China or Cuba.

    Generally, I am content to let people be foolish and learn at their own pace; however I can't let this one pass. The fact of the matter is that people DO NOT automatically have all the rights and priviledges of citizenship when they interact with the US Government (or any other). THERE IS NO PRECIDENT IN HISTORY FOR THIS CONCEPT; HISTORICALLY OR NOW; EXCEPT IN THE MINDS OF THE FOOLISH. The Constitution applies to American Citizens on American soil; not foreign fighters on foreign soil. DUE PROCESS DOES NOT APPLY TO WAR -- WE ARE AT WAR WITH RADICAL ISLAM!! YOU MAY NOT REMEMBER; BUT CONGRESS AUTHORIZED A WAR AGAINST THESE GUYS. EVEN THE DEMOCRATS HAVEN'T SEEN FIT TO RECIND IT. The fact of the matter is that the people that are opposing us are terrorists (read that: criminals). Their actions place them in the "criminal"category. Those actions are military actions against US forces (not to mention other atrocities against us and their own people who don't share their particular views). In summary, the people of the world who want to kill us do not have the rights covered under the Constitution; even Oboma and his idiot cabinet understand this. If they get it, you should too.

    Fighting so-called terrorists by ACTING LIKE TERRORISTS YOU MAY NOT HAVE HEARD; BUT THERE ARE "RULES OF ENGAGEMENT" AND WE HAVE CHARGED AND CONVICTED MILITARY PERSONNEL OF VIOLATIONS, INCLUDING MURDER. We are the most reasonable and fair military power on the planet. I personally dont believe we should worry about rules of engagement -- our enemies dont. They have raped their sisters and mothers to make political points. They have cooked and served their children to to parents to make their points -- they are barbarians; nothing else. simply levels the moral high ground that separates good people from bad.

    The fact of the matter is that we have taken both the high ground, the political ground, and the low ground in dealing with these middle eastern thugs-- nothing has worked. I am old enough to remember us propping up and bribing these thugs from the late 60's until 9/11. We have given untolled billions to oil sheiks, dictators, and would be reformers in the middle east (including the partron saint of terrorists Yasser Arafat, the father of the PLO); all for nothing. Nothing works because they are bent on the destruction of American and Israel.

    George Bush started with the right solution; we have just been too reasonable in applying it. I (and I believe the majority of other responisble people) believe the solution is to kill our enemies until they decide to leave us alone. That's exactly how Israel does it. It is my opinion that we should do more.

    Sadly, many people actually believe that scenarios like those they see on "24" mirror real life.

    It is fiction....and no I have no love for Obama. This is mere posturing to pander to his base.

    I believe that you are right about Oboma's pandering to the base. I also believe he laying the groundwork to make the same foolish case that you have -- that is; all peoples that come in contact with the U S have the same rights as U. S Citizens, and the Constitution of the United States applies to the whole world. The impications of this concept are breathtaking both at home (with the illegal immigrant population) and abroad (terrorists); and if implemented, will destroy this country.

    There are those among us (just as you have, apparently) who are listening to and believing these childish socialists who worship the law (those that they make) instead of doing what is right. Those who believe that we can dazzle terrorists and their tenth century mullahs with the eloquence of the "smartest guy in the room" pronouncements, take the "moral high ground", invoke the "rule of law", and convince these monsters to magically renounce their aims to kill us or subdue us and make us subservient to Muslum law. This is the most laughable (and sad) part of this whole debacle. The fact is that militant muslums (read terrorists, foreign fighters, Muslum Brotherhood, Hezbolla, PLO, etc) will kill these effiminate pseudointellectuals first; because they appear to be (and are) weak.

    This bunch of fools needs to get down on their collective knees and thank whom or whaever they thank for the willingness of our volunteer military who leave work, family and home to go to foreign soil, hunt these thugs down, labor with these idiotic "rules of engagement" drawn up by those who will never see combat or fire a shot in self-defense, risk criminal prosecution by their government for "war crimes" , and risk their lives to keep the unworthy like Barak Oboma, those who follow him, and people like us safe.

    That's how I see things this morning thru my 62 year old American bespeckled eyes. Thank God that you are an American and that you live in the company of those who are willing to volunteer their time and risk their lives to protect the whole of humanity in the USA and around the world from these tenth century hoodlums. I have friends and children that are busy protecting you so you can say the stupid things you have said; and protect this anti-American trash that occupies the White House from harm while they are busy damaging this country and putting our military more at risk.

    LEROY

  6. A child sized, single shot, bolt action .22. Don't remember who made it, but still have it in the safe. I was shooting it @ age 4 or so.

    I had one too!! It was most likely a Remington. Learned to shoot with it. Learned to shoot a shotgun with a Winchester Youth Model 20 ga single shot.

    Kind Regards,

    LEROY

  7. Reportedly the US Army mounted cavalry originally tied their grip safeties down with strips of rawhide, much to the chagrin of JMB. You could always do that, but I wouldn't recommend it. :)

    Sorry, just a bit of useless gun trivia for you.

    I love this stuff!! Couldnt help but say thanks for sharing!!

    Kind regards,

    LEROY

    PS-- I NOTICED THAT DANIEL GOT THE RIGHT ANSWER TOO. WHAT A HELPFUL AND INFORMED GROUP!!

  8. I prefer a J frame revolver with a Aholster kydex pocket holster. My personal revolver has a hammer and I practice my draw so that the thumb is on the hammer so not to snag on my clothing. It works for me. YMMV. Good luck with your choice.

    Same for me. I carry either in the front pocket or hip pocket. The combination of the model 36 and the Aholster is great. The Aholster is molded to be either right or left handed. I'ts the best pocket holster ive used; regardless of price.

    Hope this helps.

    LEROY

  9. When Rep. Zach Wamp runs for governor in 2010, I'm voting for Sheriff Tim Gobble to take his place in Tennessee's 3rd Congressional District. Does anyone remember how the gun-control legislation of 1993 changed the U.S. Congress during the 1994 elections? The mid-term elections are not that far off.

    Woody

    Well said. I remember the elections right after the infamous Gun Control Act of 1968. It finished a 30 year veteran senator from Tennessee; who, if it hadn't been for his vote for this infamous bill, would have been unbeatable. His name was Albert Gore, Sr. Actions do have consequences.

    Keep up the good work.

    Kind regards,

    LEROY

  10. Our good sheriff

    Sheriff Gobble: Carry Permits And The Law

    by Sheriff Tim Gobble

    posted June 4, 2009

    I have long been an advocate for the right of law abiding citizens to keep and bear arms, in accordance with our Second Amendment right. A well-armed citizenry is one of the best defenses against crime.

    Our elected representatives in Nashville recently proposed legislation that would allow qualified citizens to carry firearms into state parks, restaurants and other places that serve alcohol, provided the carrier does not drink. They are to be commended for their pro-gun position, as well as for overriding the governor's veto of that gun bill.

    I support self-defense rights and every law-abiding citizen deserves the option of protecting themselves, even in those places where alcohol is being served, as long as they, themselves, are not consuming alcohol.

    I believe carrying a sidearm is much like operating a vehicle ~ it must be done responsibility. It is illegal to operate a motor vehicle while under the influence of alcohol because an impaired driver becomes a danger to themselves and others on the road. This analogy holds true with gun ownership. As soon as a person is under the influence of alcohol while carrying a gun, they become a danger to themselves and others. It is not the car that is the danger and it is not the gun that is the danger, it is the impaired or irresponsible operator or carrier who is the danger.

    I have a proven record of supporting gun rights, and this record was noted in American Rifleman magazine last November when I defended a homeowner who used his firearm to protect himself. I will continue to uphold and advocate that Second Amendment right for all qualified citizens.

    The operative word there is "qualified." As a law enforcement professional, I am well aware that people can be dangerous who use guns inappropriately. That is why I encourage everyone who owns a gun or who is thinking of buying a gun to take gun safety classes and practice proper usage. I also encourage folks to only purchase safe, reliable, functional weapons from reputable firearms dealers, and go through the proper channels of securing permits and knowledge of the law. The BCSO offers gun safety and training courses. If you are interested in taking our gun safety course, contact Cathy Ruth at 728-7301. She will arrange for you to receive all the information you need. Although the course is free to Bradley County residents, a $5 fee is required for use of the shooting range.

    It is every individual's Constitutional right to own and carry a firearm for sport or personal protection unless in certain areas prohibited by law (such as courtrooms and presidential venues) or illegal or irresponsible actions on their part preclude them from that right.

    To find out more about the BCSO, visit us on-line at: Bradley County Sheriff's Office - Tim Gobble, Sheriff - BradleySheriff.com. You can also write: 2290 Blythe Ave., SE, Cleveland 37311, or email me personally: comments@bradleysheriff.com

    Thank you Sheriff Gobble for saying and doing the right thing! The folks in Bradley County have done a great job in electing you!! Keep up the good work!!

    Kind Regards,

    LEROY

  11. I don't think we can really trust any of them. Especially the ones from areas with large numbers of Obama supporters.

    Amen brother!! The closer you get to the "citidels of idiocy" ( read that: colleges and universities) and the more ghetto rats on the dole (all colors!! -- no discrimination here!!); the greater the demigogery by the political class. Knoxville and Nashville are great examples. Memphis seems to be a whole other world; much more like Chicago than Tennessee. It is sad, indeed. That's why we need to hold our local officials accountable. All politics starts at the local level -- that's why i'm so proud of many of the current Republican (and some Democrat) state polititians because of their actions on the RESTORATION of gun rights to law abiding Tennesseeans.

    PS -- RONALD REAGAN SAID TO THE RUSSIANS: "TRUST BUT VERIFY" -- a very wise course of action with any polititian.

    LEROY

  12. Thanks for the advice; it's greatly appreciated. Here are some questions:

    First, I like mine, but I like to tinker on stuff. I have a "dedicated lower" for all my uppers, but you could def get by with just the upper.

    Mags are not an issue. The cproducts 30 round mags work great. I get more utility out of the 10 shotters though. I wish there was a 20 or a 15, but I can get by with what's offered. The 30's hang down so low you'll never use them prone or off the bench well.

    Barrel weight and length might be a bummer. I went with a 16" medium weight (and its pretty stout for a medium) on a carbine length gas system because I couldn't find anything in a light to medium contour in a 20" or an 18". Thats all custom order. With an optic on it, mine is a little hefty, but I'm a pretty big guy.

    I think a regular 18-20" barrel would be da bomb in the woods with the smoother gas system if you could keep the weight down.

    You'll need a wolf extra power hammer spring for the commie ball, otherwise you'll get misfires. A heavy plunger or an extra power plunger spring might get it too. The carbine length gas system gets pretty violent on 150gr+ hot ammo, imo. Stock an extra bolt and a couple extractors either way, imo. Can be real hard to get.

    The commie steel cased stuff is about 5-8% more potent velocity wise than american factory brass cased, but it does throw flyers. Its very consistent stuff the lots I've tested. The bullets are not very uniform.

    Any extraction problems with the steel cased stuff? Do you believe it might tear up the extractor, ect?

    I'm still developing loads, but if you get one, I got a couple I came up with that work for deer (DRT) or varmint (DRT), whatever.

    Handloading tunes the x39 right out. It responds well. If you can find brass. Was thinking about handloading if i could find brass

    I like the idea of the extra punch that the x39 has. The big problem with the AK seems to be accuracy -- the AR seems to fix that problem.

    Many thanks to all who have opined.

    Kind regards,

    LEROY

  13. +1.

    Detail stripping a 1911 style handgun thats tightly fitted can be a beast.

    The better made 1911's (arguable how much better) are all coming with rods. I wound up with a sig because it has no rod and the whole thing is machined stainless steel.

    Start with a trigger job, imo.

    I second Mugster's advice. Just went thru all this with an old 1911 lw commander for carry. A long trigger, trigger job, and good sights (those you can see -- take a close look at all of em) made the most difference in shooting. All the neat stuff; like beavertail safties (unless you have small hands), two piece guide rods, on and on; seem to be just stuff to have; and that's ok if you like them. An ambidexterious safety is a good thing if you are left handed (I am). It has been my experience that most 1911's shoot better that their owners can hold; so accuracy is always good. I don't like to do anything to a pistol or revolver that reduces the potential for reliability -- many "accurizing" accessories do just that. That said; it is probably a good idea to find a 1911 pistol smith that you like; talk to him, and tell him what you would like to do. Then you will have exactly what you want. Nineteen eleven stuff is kinda like AR 15 stuff; there's lots of toys out there that are really neat. Pick out the one's you like and get someone you trust to install 'em and make sure that they work and are reliable. The 1911 is a great thing; originally designed as a calvary arm -- the only acceptable replacement for the great colt single action army (Take the time to google for some punitive expedition pictures). Enjoy!!

    Kind regards,

    LEROY

  14. Haslam is a good honest guy, but not exactly in line with my train of thought on things politically. I wouldn't support him and he is a family friend. Thompson.. absolutely. Ramsey and Wamp.... pretty sure I could go for either of them.

    For what it's worth; in the infamous picture of Gov. Bredesen making his restraurant carry veto speech; the guy standing next to him is the Knoxville Chief of Police.

    A Haslam appointee. I believe that Mr. Haslam has lots of explaining to do to Republicans who honor the Second Amendment.

    LEROY

  15. I'll bet they've been having a good laugh at the Kremlin lately, watching us go socialist overnight. Just like Nikita Kruschev said long ago: 'We'll take them over without ever having to fire a shot'.

    It's happening right before our eyes.

    This is a great truth. There was an opinion piece in Pravda yesterday (5/30/09) about this very issue. They cited poor education, pop culture, etc as the reasons for the change to socialism and generally mocked our foolishness. I am old enough to remember the Kruschev "We will bury you" speech.

    It appears that old Nikita and Joe McCarthy were right. Let's work hard to reverse this sorry state of affairs.

    PS -- I really like this quote on ewpking's post; its great, and sadly true: "When the eagles are silent, the parrots (read: fools) begin to jabber" - Winston Churchill

    Keep up the good work,

    Kind regards,

    LEROY

  16. Since Sheriff’s positions are “elected†positions, we as voters should know their stance on topics that are so dear to Tennesseans. Oh yes it could change the way we vote in the next Sheriff’s race.

    Amen brother!! Well said!!! It works for mayoral candidates too; we need to know where mayors stand on second amendment issues as well. They appoint Chiefs of Police.

    Keep up the good work,

    LEROY

  17. I lifted this little part of an article in the KnoxNews here in Knoxville. I think it is very interesting and points out something that everyone should be aware of. Ive hilited some pertinent things:

    Knoxville Police Chief Sterling P. Owen IV was on hand for Bredesen's news conference and signing of the veto message, along with police chiefs of Nashville, Memphis and Chattanooga. Owen is currently president of the Tennessee Association of Chiefs of Police, which was holding a meeting in Nashville on Thursday.

    "This is a matter of safety for officers and citizen safety," (If this was about citizen safety, Owen would have endorsed it -- my edit) Owen said.

    Memphis Chief Larry Goodwin referred to two recent killings in Memphis where the alleged killers held handgun carry permits:

    "In Memphis, we're keeping score. It's handgun permit holders two, unarmed citizens zero (Chief Goodwin failed to point out that police did not stop this incident -- the simple fact is that the police cannot protect you. No doubt Chief Goodwin has a low opinion of the handgun permit laws. He conviently forgets that criminals don't bother to abide by the law (that's why they call them criminals, he also appears to have adjudicated these cases before trial -- my edit) ," he said.

    When you go to vote in any local election, especially in the Mayoral Election; you need to remember that you are voting for the person who will pick your next CHIEF OF POLICE. Sterling Owen was picked by a REPUBLICAN. It is simply a fact that many chiefs of police are anti-gun. They can be anti-gun because they are not directly accountable to the people of the county who elect them. Sheriffs and their respective departments are much more responsive and reasonable because they have to be -- they are elected.

    In summary, you would do well to look deeply into the opinions of any candidate who runs for local office; they may pick people who don't hold the right to self defense and the Second Amendment in the same high regard that we do.

  18. That is what I understand. NRAILA sent me this:

    Statement From Chris W. Cox, Executive Director NRA - Institute for Legislative Action On Governor Bredesen's Veto Of House Bill 962

    ....

    36 other states, including seven states that border Tennessee, provide this protection to law-abiding citizens. During the 2006 campaign, Governor Bredesen assured Tennesseans -- and the NRA in writing -- that he would support this effort. NRA's endorsement of Governor Bredesen that year centered largely on this promise. Today, that trust has been betrayed.

    In his veto message, Governor Bredesen talked about his concerns with mixing firearms and alcohol. But he conveniently failed to mention the absolute prohibition, with grim consequences, for any permit holder who has one sip of alcohol while carrying a firearm. He also ignored the provision which allows restaurants to prohibit carrying firearms in their establishments by simply posting a sign. The provisions of HB 962 are more restrictive than the laws of many of the 36 states that allow restaurant carry. And, it is important to note that despite Governor Bredesen's dire predictions, these states have not experienced problems because law-abiding gun owners are just that, law-abiding.

    The reality is that crime does happen in our restaurants. ... That is why this common sense measure passed both chambers with overwhelming, bi-partisan support. We pledge to work to override this ill-conceived veto. That is NRA's promise. And we intend to keep it.

    Phil Bredesen is an elitist first; that means he knows better that you, the legislature, or anyone else what is good for the people of Tennessee. Folks need to remember that Phil Bredesen is a DEMOCRAT. Thats says (to me) that he has no problem thwarting the will of the people of the state; because he, more than anyone, knows best. I believe that Bredesen's veto will be overridden. The people of Tennessee need to take due note of these actions when the next gubanatorial election comes up.

    LEROY

  19. exactly what about Obama and his administration is not a war on the Constitution? They want the guns--all they need is a rallying cry--get the sheep afraid--well more afraid than they are now. The pump has to be primed for their plans to work.

    Amen brother!! Well said. They are looking for a crisis as an excuse to gather up guns and everything else. Let's hope and pray that they don't get the opportunity.

    Kind regards,

    LEROY

  20. Most lowers are created equal. Look for any familiar names Spike's Tactical, LMT, DPMS, Sabre, S&W, Tactical Innovations, etc. Splurge on the upper to maximize reliability.

    Magpul's UBR is supposed to be pretty solid, although I haven't handled one myself. I've been very happy w/ my CTR (also a Magpul product). I think an ACE stock would be a great option for what you're looking for.

    Brownells would be a good place to look. Lower Parts Kits are in short supply right now, so hunt around.

    Brownells website has a very extensive set of videos. These videos also go over what tools you'll need.

    Brownells - World's Largest Supplier of Firearm Accessories and Gunsmithing Tools

    Good luck on your build :D

    Thanks to all of you who have taken time to point me in the right direction and give your advice and council. I've spent a good while watching the Brownell's how-to videos as well as looking on the AR15.com site this evening. You all have inspired me, and I think i am ready to round up a lower, scrounge parts, and start to work.

    In regards to the 458 SOCOM; do any of you know of anyone who has tried to use the flash copper plated lead bullets for it? My original thought with the 50 Beowulf was to use them -- several of the plated bullet guys (berry, etc) make copper plated bullets for the 500 s and w; that's why i was thinking of the beowulf. I haven't taken the time to check to see if anyone makes a plated .458 bullet. Think about this and please give me your thoughts. The downsides of this idea may be availability of plated bullets and potential problems with fouling the gas port and tube on the AR.

    Again, thanks for all the recommendations and help.

    Kind regards,

    LEROY

  21. Don't look now, but sadly the republicans are already dems. At least it seems like the majority are. Think of last year's election. McCain, Rudy, Alexander, etc.... .......... Personally, I am very Pro-Life, but I think it's better to be more about the Consititution because the idea of not killing babies is built into into it (you know, the right to LIFE, liberty, and justice.)

    What I really want to see is NORMAL people (AKA, non lawyers & bankers) run for office. If someone was to challange Alexander or Corker who was truly a normal citizen, I would do all I can to get them elected. I just want to see people run whos first words out of their mouth is, "it's about the Consitution stupid!" All the conservative values (smaller gov, low taxes, etc.) are basically THE consitution. Maybe we should change our logo from an elephanpt to just an image of the constitution?!

    Matthew

    Well said!! This is, at it's heart, about the constitution. If you follow the constitution; all this other stuff works its self out. If the Republicans don't figure this great truth out; they will be extinct very shortly. I believe that there are some "real people" out there; the lady that is chairman of the TN Republican Party is one of them. Our state senator, Tim Burchart is another. I'm sure there are others.

    Keep up the good work!!

    Kind regards,

    LEROY

  22. 11345.1 http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/05/26/blackwell_ken_obama_sotomayor/

    KEN BLACKWELL: Obama Declares War on America’s Gun Owners With Supreme Court Pick

    By Ken Blackwell

    Senior Fellow, American Civil Rights Union/Family Research Council

    President Obama’s nomination of Judge Sonia Sotomayor is a declaration of war against America’s gun owners and the Second Amendment to our Constitution. If gun owners mobilize and unite, it’s possible (though unlikely) to stop this radical nominee.

    —————

    According to Judge Sotomayor, if your state or city bans all guns the way Washington, D.C. did, that’s okay under the Constitution.

    —————

    ....

    Judge Sotomayor has put in writing what she thinks. President Obama has nominated a radically anti-Second Amendment judge to be our newest Supreme Court justice.

    There are a number of pro-Second Amendment Democratic senators from deeply red states, including Mark Begich from Alaska, Jon Tester and Max Baucus from Montana, Ben Nelson from Nebraska, Byron Dorgan and Kent Conrad from North Dakota, and Tim Johnson from South Dakota.

    These senators will jeopardize their seats if they vote to support an anti-gun radical for the Supreme Court. Second Amendment supporters will now be up in arms over this radical anti-Second Amendment nominee, and you should never underestimate the political power of American gun owners.

    Ken Blackwell is a senior fellow with the American Civil Rights Union and the Family Research Council.

    It shouldn't be a surprise that Oboma would recommend and try to appoint a radical activist judge. This is just another proof of who today's Democrat Party is. The leadership of the party is made up of socialists who have no regard for the constitution or the bill of rights; and they will work overtime to re-do our nation in their own image. We need to work hard to defeat this bunch of traitors before they destroy this country.

    LEROY

  23. I not think the Democratic Leadership has changed. However I think in order for them to control both houses the Party had to move to the middle. ...

    I trust neither party anymore. I vote now based on the character of each man and woman that is running. I guess that makes me an Independent, but the older I get the more in line my views are with the Liberatarian Party.

    ... :blink:

    There's lots of truth in your observations. I feel like most folks yearn for honesty in government. You are also right in that the character and world view of each person; be they polititian, child, or next door neighbor is the most important thing you can have. It is a fact that factions within both political parties are dirty and self serving; it's basically a people problem. That is why it is vitally important to populate these parties with people who are honest men and women of character.

    With regard to a third party; I do not think that a third party is viable -- it simply takes too long to build strength; and I don't think we have the time. That means you need to pick an existing party and work to make it what it should be.

    There are those who believe that if the Republicans dont get their bearings and go back the the philosophies of smaller government and constitutional principles that the party is doomed. I share that view. I have a 20 year old son who thinks if the Repubs. dont straighten up; they will morph right into the Democratic party; and a new party will take their place. It is my view, that if this happens, this country and the freedoms we now enjoy (including the right to bear arms) will be taken away and we'll look like europe; Britan in particular. This would be catastrophic for those of us who believe in American principles and love liberty -- the people of Britain and europe are effectively serfs; not citizens. The only rights they have come from polititians in government.

    I believe firmly that we are living in some of the most dangerous times in American history, and the danger is not outside the country---it's inside. Do not be fooled into believing that the Democratic Party as it is currently constituted and headed up is a force for freedom; it simply is not. Those who sit at the head of the party and call the shots are, for the most part, radical socialist who are capable of being just as bad or worse than Stalin or Mao. They would have no problem in tearing up the Constitution and rescinding the Bill of Rights and making us all serfs. I will grant that there are factions withing the Republican party who are self-serving elites full of silly ideas. The most silly of which is that Republicans should be like Democrats; I'ts an idiotic philosophy. I firmly believe that citizens who love liberty had better start working with their time, talents, and pocket book to rehabilitate the Republican party; or we will be serfs.

    A wise man once said :"There are four boxes protecting America; the soapbox (this forum is one), the ballot box (we're discussing it now), the jury box, and the cartridge box." The jury box is getting pretty corrupt for the most part. Let's hope and pray that we and our children dont have to use the cartridge box.

    Kind regards,

    LEROY

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