Worriedman

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HB 3560 and HB 3559 are on the Calender for Calender and Rules for tomorrow morning at 8:00 A.M. My understanding is that House Session takes up at 9:00 A.M., so anything that does not get dealt with in the first portion of Calender and rules will be taken up after the full House session, all matters on the calender will be dealt with tomorrow. And remember Madam Speaker is in charge of all committee appointments... Make up of Committee: Committee Officers Bill Dunn, Chair Dennis Roach, Vice-Chair Steve McDaniel, Secretary Members Harry Brooks Glen Casada Jim Cobb Jimmy Eldridge Craig Fitzhugh Beth Harwell David Hawk Ryan Haynes Phillip Johnson Debra Maggart Judd Matheny Gerald McCormick Steve McManus Richard Montgomery Jimmy Naifeh Frank Niceley Bob Ramsey Charles Sargent Cameron Sexton Joe Towns

I will say this, Mr. La Sorte is a very disciplined, very active individual. I have greatly enjoyed our conversations, and he is relentless in the amount of work he is producing to further these bills. I am impressed with the fact that he genuinely is interested in the thoughts and knowledge of local activist, and, is willing to contact and work with those who show interest in the issues.

It is important to understand the constraint of the Tennessee Constitution upon the Legislators of our State with respect to their responsibility in dealing with firearms laws. Article 1 Section 26 is descriptive, and emphatic in the chains placed on the "servants of the People" relating what the Legislature MAY do: “That the citizens of this state have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defense; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms with a view to prevent crime.†One does not need a college degree to grasp the intent of the Framers of the Article, an eight grade mastery of the English language will suffice to allow for a clear understanding of the issues. "Right" describes a moral, ethical, or legal principle considered as an underlying cause of truth, justice, morality, or ethics. "Rights" in our United States are conferred by God on the populace, not by any branch of government, they are "unalienable" as intoned in our most basic document describing our Freedoms, the Declaration of Independence, as incapable of being repudiated or transferred by anyone to another.Established in the first part of the Article that the Citizens have the Right to keep arms for their common defense, the modifying clause gives "power" to the legislature to regulate the "wearing" of arms with a view to prevent crime. The Oath or Obligation taken by each legislator upon their inclusion to the body of the General Assembly: “I ………. do solemnly swear (or affirm) that as a member of this General Assembly, I will, in all appointments, vote without favor, affection, partiality, or prejudice; and that I will not propose or assent to any bill, vote or resolution, which shall appear to me injurious to the people, or consent to any act or thing, whatever, that shall have a tendency to lessen or abridge their rights and privileges, as declared by the Constitution of this Stateâ€. Having been present, and intimately involved, in the debate in our Legislature regarding this issue, I have yet to see any empirical data offered by the opponents to the bill showing that its adoption would in fact increase crime, which is required by the Constitution in order for the Legislature to further regulate (in reality restricting the keeping of arms in this instance) the wearing of arms. As the current bill in question, (HB 3560) deals ONLY with the keeping of arms within the confines of an individual's private property (their personal vehicle) and does not involve the "wearing" of any arm on another's property, the Legislature is in fact overstepping their prerogative to deny that specifically enumerated Right to the Citizens that they are sworn to serve if they do not put this issue on the Governor's desk for inclusion in our TCA.

The Senate could vote to concur with the House version. The Hunting license feature of the Campfield amendment was what Ramsey pushed back so strongly about, allowing as to how some Hunters over 21 will not have had to undergo Hunter Safety Training, ergo the House version sans the amendment. Removing that feature should alleviate the public reasons stated by Ramsey to oppose the Bill, oh, and his trepidation over "balancing" Property Rights, which he did not bring up as a factor untill the bill actually began to move in the Senate.

McCormick's Bill and Evan's Bill were taken off notice today, last man standing is HB 3560 and its companion HB 3559. 3560 was amended to narrow the scope to Handgun Carry Permit Holders only. Single family dwellings, nuclear reactors and Oak Ridge along with any Federally restricted areas which preclude possession of a firearm were set outside the parameters of the Bill.

Here is Ramsey touting the TFA endorsement: http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2010/jul/20/wamp-says-momentum-shifting-his-way-gop-primary-te/ From the article:

Seems a little out of sync with his statements to TN Reports on Friday last:

Well Fed Ex does not have a "vote" either, and yet it seems that he listens to them. I would suspect that the number of Tennessee NRA members who DO have a vote is a significant number, and merit consideration.

I received a notice that he told TN Reports the measure was dead in the Senate, as HE was going to see that the bill was not put on notice, that HE was going to keep it from getting moved to the calender for the full Senate. Seems an abuse of power, bordering on Official Oppression as far as I am concerned. At least the way I read the statute: TCA 39-16-403. Official oppression. — [a]. A public servant acting under color of office or employment commits an offense who: (1) Intentionally subjects another to mistreatment or to arrest, detention, stop, frisk, halt, search, seizure, dispossession, assessment or lien when the public servant knows the conduct is unlawful; or (2) Intentionally denies or impedes another in the exercise or enjoyment of any right, privilege, power or immunity, when the public servant knows the conduct is unlawful. . For purposes of this section, a public servant acts under color of office or employment if the public servant acts, or purports to act, in an official capacity or takes advantage of the actual or purported capacity. [c]. An offense under this section is a Class E felony. [d]. Charges for official oppression may be brought only by indictment, presentment or criminal information; provided, that nothing in this section shall deny a person from pursuing other criminal charges by affidavit of complaint. [Acts 1989, ch. 591, § 1; 1990, ch. 980, § 11.] I sent him this text: I have received no response.

I can promise that I have, in numerous ways. I worked extremely hard to get him elected to the Governors position in the primary in 2010, and as such, am so very disappointed in the tact he is taking now. In personal conversations about this very issue over the course of the last two years, he led me to believe that he was in favor of the Citizen's Right to provide for their own self defense, and that their private vehicle was their Castle just as much as their home, regardless of where it was parked. Now we find that he is distancing himself from the support of the individual, and has decided that money and position mean more than his word.

The Senate version, SB 3002 has been debated on the merits in the Judiciary committee and passed out to Calendar and Rules where it simply is supposed to receive a place in line for consideration of the full Senate. Ramsey is abusing his power by personally keeping it from moving forward to be voted on by the entire chamber, a very Naifehish act. If he wants to vote, as a Senator, against the bill because he has been paid or told to do so, then he should let his conscious be his guide. However, to prevent the rest of the Senators from being able to voice their support, or lack thereof, for the issue is exactly what the "Elite Ruling Class" epitomizes.

There will be a chance to show the Legislators whether the People of Tennessee are interested in this effort or not, this coming Tuesday. If the same three people show up in support, then they will know that it is not important. The reason there is no Income Tax in Tennessee is that a large group of like minded individuals showed up at the Capital and made their voices heard. There will be 40 or 50 paid lobbyist and who knows how many Chiefs of Police and University paid hacks to stand against the bill on the 17th, if we mounted a like number of protagonist, we could make a difference. Come and join me, let them see that there are people who want this legislation.

http://www.fox17.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wztv_vid_11787.shtml I know Nikki personally, the man stalked her and her husband, they had restraining orders in place. He found them and murdered her husband in front of her. Legal, not justice system.

Actual constituents count so much more than the casual caller from outside of a Legislator's district. Get as many locals in Ramsey's district as possible to call and demand an answer, then publish the responses.

The lesser evil does not need your money, just your vote.

Nor will Tennessee, Haslam has his nose too far up somewhere to read the writing on the wall, and it might cost us $.50 in lost Federal Grants. I suspect you can count out New York and New Jersey as well, the Statist mantra is too strong there as well.

The "teamronramsey" was from his Gubernatorial bid days, dated 2010, when he was trying to win friends and get elected, playing the Conservative at the time. Your comment is priceless!

GKar, seeing your location, I would surmise that Lt. Gov. Ron Ramsey is your Senator? You might question him on this response he penned to a question he received in 2010 regarding this very issue: (emphasis mine) Reproduced with permission by the recipient. Interesting how a couple of years can change a politician's mind on an issue they seemed so staunch on while running in the primary for Governor during 2010...

Do not disagree. Bass was ready to explain the bills, and his amendments, but White acted like they were horseshoes right off the forge. My understanding is that they will be debated, and testimony taken next week in the full committee. Of interest the second two bills have no Senate component, (no companion bills). Looks like McCormick is trying to put up some effort to show that he and Harwell i.e. Leadership, were attempting to foster a "gun bill" even though there is NO chance that his Fed Ex inspired legislation can move forward, as there is no counterpart on the Senate side. They take us for fools.

They would get Al and Jesse.

One of the results of the current legislation would be an up-tick in the number of people who get their permits, and when that occurs, more folks will become involved. Several of the Fed Ex employees that I have talked with say they have not perfected their permits because they would still not be allowed to keep their weapons in their vehicles, so why pay the money and take the time? Once a person comes out of pocket for the class, and pays the vig to the State, they feel like they have skin in the game. The more permit holders we have, the better effect we can generate with the Legislature due to the numbers. There were a little over 600K voters in the last gubernatorial election, with half that number being permit holders, one would think that firearms owners would foster a certain amount of respect from the politicians. But, the squeaky wheel gets the grease, and untill enough people make noise, the pols feel like they can slid it to us any way they want to. Yesterday I was the only person (excluding the NRA lobbyist) on the hall that was up there talking to the Senators and Representatives about the bills. There were over 100 people running up and down the halls to foster natural gas car engines, who do you think garnered more interest?

That the "Caucus" (Republican Majority) seems to somehow be against the bill is a wonderment to me, out of the House numbers, 30 or so caucus members are co-sponsors. Yet, we keep hearing that the caucus is not in favor of the legislation. Polled independently, I have found only a few House Members that are against the bill, but then to be honest, I have not spoken with may Democrats.

Yes sir, they were.

Tennessee pols who are in opposition to the Employee Safe Commute Act include the Governor and Lt. Governor: http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2012/apr/02/haslam-ramsey-wary-of-guns-in-parking-lots-bill/ I wonder how the hunting license holders of Tennessee are going to take the insinuation that they are not to be trusted leaving their hunting arms in their vehicles after going hunting in the morning, or planning to go after work?