RobertNashville

Yes...I haven't watched them myself but see this thread: http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tennessee-politics-legislation/47787-bill-haslam-tfa-meeting-last-night.html

No one is talking about abolishing the HCP process - many of us, me included, need it and want it because our HCP is recognized by some 36 other states. What is being discussed is not requiring a HCP to carry a handgun in Tennessee if you are otherwise legally able to possess a handgun (i.e. not felon, etc., etc.)

Do you really want McWherter sitting in the state house; a man who is opposed to almost everything gun owners support (not to mention what most conservatives support)? McWherter and Haslam are the only two realistic choices and at this point, especially after meeting the man, the choice is pretty clear to me.

We can discuss the real and/or perceived shortcomings of Mr. Haslam until the cows come home but suffice it to say, he isn't perfect. However, of anyone running with an actual chance to win, he is, I think, hands down the best choice we have. To be blunt, we have Mayor Haslam to vote for because 1) we had two other conservatives running for the nomination with him and 2) we have no provision in Tennessee for a run-off election whenever a candidate doesn't get at least 50% + 1 of the votes cast. Those are the primary reasons we have the choices we have for the general election...we can lament that all day long but it won't change anything for this election cycle.

True but keep in mind, Bredesen is a pretty typical liberal Democrat and Haslam, while perhaps not as conservative or as fundamental as we might like is not a liberal Democrat. Only time will tell but should time prove him to be lying about his support of our right to keep AND bear arms (and he did stress the "and" last nigh) what he said last night will certainly come back to haunt him.

I don't know that I'll ever be "excited" about Bill Haslam but I will say that he acquitted himself pretty well last night and while he wasn't my first choice for the nomination, I do think he'll likely do a decent job as governor. There is no question in my mind that he is a much better choice for the job than his Democrat opponent.

Good to meet you last night! Maybe I'll see you at Owl Hollow on the 30th!

Wearing a shirt for the Middle Tennessee Half Marathon is likely as close as I'll ever get to running in it!

Looks like we are going to have a pretty good crowd! Let's hope the weather cooperates and do remember, this is an outdoor facility so dress accordingly!

Nashville Chapter is scheduled to meet on MONDAY, October 18, 2010 Formal meeting time is 7:00 p.m. to 8:00 pm Our guest at this meeting will be Bill Haslam who is running in the race for Governor of the State of Tennessee. The meeting will include an initial span of time where Mr. Haslam can address the group and then we plan to open the floor for questions with an emphasis on those questions pertaining to 2nd Amendment topics. Arrive early - 5:00 to 5:30 would be good. Eat in the meeting room if possible and if not, get as close as you can. We will try finishing eating by 7:00 in the meeting room to clear out everything but drinks for the meeting if we have a large turnout. Location: Golden Corral Hermitage 315 Old Lebanon Dirt Rd Hermitage, TN 37076 (615) 874-1313 IT IS IMPORTANT TO PAY AT GOLDEN CORAL AS YOU COME IN FOR THE MEETING IF YOU ARE EATING. TELL THEM THAT AT THE CASH REGISTER THAT YOU ARE THERE FOR THE MEETING AND TO APPLY THE "GROUP RATE" WHICH INCLUDES YOUR DRINK. You do not have to be a TFA member to attend nor do you have to be a resident of Nashville. Everyone is welcome and encourage to bring guests - even spouses. I want to encourage each of you to bring someone with you to the meeting who has not been to one or been to one recently. There's no cost to come (unless you eat because the meal is on you).

By the way; at it stands now I'll likely be bringing... 1. One of my SCARs (.223/5.56 and generally use 62 grain or higher), 2. Probably my Glock 20 (10MM Auto) which I haven't even shot yet, 3. MY HK45, and 4. At lest one of my 1911's (likely either my Les Bare and/or my Nighthawk) I will also have my Kimber Pro CDP II and my Ruger LCR (primary carry/bug) with me so they would also be available for anyone who wanted to try them out.

Please consider this thread CLOSED. See http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/events-gatherings/47392-northern-middle-tennessee-meet-sunday-october-24-2010-mcsc.html#post618613 for details about the meet! Thanks.

ANNOUNCING: Northern Middle Tennessee MEET WHEN: Sunday, October 24, 2010 WHERE: Montgomery County Shooting Complex Montgomery County Shooting Complex TIME: Meet at the main office (it’s a mandatory sign-in there anyway) at 1PM (that’s when they open) Although not mandatory; if you can, please list below if you are planning on attending and also what firearms you plan to bring and ammo caliber (at least if you are willing to let others shoot them)! For those of you who may want to fire someone else's weapon; please bring some ammo for that weapon and keep in mind that there is some but limited ammo available at the range. If you have any questions at all please feel free to PM me or call me 615-849-6975 If, by chance, the weather is really lousy we may call this off but obviously we’ll have to make that call very near the meeting time so be sure to call me or check here for any changes or updates before heading out to the complex. I hope to see a lot of you there! for background info about this you can view this thread: http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/events-gatherings/46877-middle-northern-middle-tennessee-meet.html

Which "both days" do you mean? We've got one day with four votes (Sunday the 24th) and two days with 3 votes (Saturday the 23rd and Saturday the 30th).

We're crazy? Who just added to the thread when they could have closed it.

I probably get more right than Dr. Phill does; I've just never had Oprah behind me to make me famous. Maybe I'm wrong but I think my assessment is at least a base hit even if it's not a home run. Wow...you even quoted me and still got it wrong! As I said .As quoted, I said you were bashing THIS FD. Oh is that what you call what you've been doing in your posts. By the way, I'm still waiting for you to explain where you heard that the guys in this FD wants to “...argue what they did was right†as you accused them of several posts ago - as far as I know, and I've read a lot about this story, no one else has claimed they ever did that.

That post ought to be the LAST post in this thread as I think it tells us everything we need to know.

Frankly, I find that surprising and disappointing…all this angst over what you have decided this FD should have done but you don’t care about the guy who lost his home??? Wow. Again I ask; if you don't care about the only person who actually suffered a loss in this mess; why the hell should this (or any other) FD care enough to risk their lives and their equipment????? Strong arming…on what basis did you decide that? Exactly how and when did this city "strong arm" anyone? What exactly isn’t “right†about a service provider expecting to be paid for their service? The FD was on the scene for one reason and only one reason, to protect the property of the property owner who had paid for the service - they had no duty (legal, moral or otherwise) to risk their lives or equipment for anyone else. You don’t know what I’m talking about??? Ok…let me quote AGAIN from Post No. 232… You claimed, as I quoted, that these men/women are calling themselves “First Respondersâ€. You claim that they “want to argue what they did was rightâ€. I’m asking you where you are getting the information to base those claims on because other than your claims, I haven't heard these firefighters do/say any such thing…what is not to understand? So am I supposed to “rip†on these guys now just because, according to you, we never do? I don’t rip on anyone unless I think they did something wrong and I don’t think these guys did anything wrong. No, I am not a fireman nor have I ever been. I have served as a volunteer paramedic with two different fire departments and then with a totally separate volunteer EMS service…I guess all together I’ve done that for about 20 years although I don’t anymore. Based on such comments about the “right hand of God†and how no one ever rips on them it’s sounding like you have some deeper and not so supportive feelings about firefighters in general that go far beyond this incident. I’ll take that bet. What I think is going to happen is that this county will get their asses in order and start providing their own fire protection OR the folks who have been playing Russian roulette with their fire protection (by not paying the very tiny annual fee) are going to start paying…that’s what I think is going to happen. As to telling them how you feel…I’m just suggesting that since you’ve spent so much time in this thread bashing this FD you ought to consider redirecting your efforts to the folks who you are actually mad at and maybe encourage them to change to something you find more acceptable...you can complain on this or any other forum all day long but it isn’t going to change a thing.

So you don't care about the guy who lost his home, only that this FD didn't do what you say they should have done? If you don't care about the victim why should the SFFD? I mean...isn't care for the victim one of if not the primary reasons that there are fire departments...or are you suggesting that the trailer is more important then the man? And if, like you, the SFFD shouldn't care about the victim why the hell should they put their lives and equipment (that isn't theirs to do with as they please) at risk? I truly don't understand your reasoning here. Moving on; I've not heard it reported that a single one of them have called him/herself a "first responder". I also haven't heard it reported that any of them defending that what they did was "right" or say much of anything at all for that matter. So...I'm wondering where you are getting your information from because I if it is being reported I've missed it. You seem to feel pretty strongly that these guys (and/or gals) are pretty worthless (or "bad people") and apparently every single one of them are bad since not a single one of them did what you insist they should have done (and regardless of the consequences)...have you contacted SFFD individuals to tell them how you feel about them?

I said "first" - once someone starts, whoever that is, I'll match it up to $50 but that's as much as I can do.

Sunday the 24th? That sounds good to me. Do we need an new "official" event thread to announce the details???

Frankly; you were not entitled to any help for your accident that happened in NC...you got help and that's great but you were not entitled to it...as has already been mentioned and which was true where I grew up; there was no EMS service or FD and wasn't for many, many years so if you had had an accident in my county in Ohio you were left to the efforts of whoever happened to find you to get you someplace that could help. You seem to be one of the most vocal about how wrong this was of the SFFD to not act...I mentioned above about contributing to a fund to help the victim buy a new trailer...if you can find a fund to contribute to (I suspect that one exists somewhere) and contribute to it I'll match your contribution up to $50 (we can work out the details by PM)...at least maybe that will put this thread to bed! If for whatever reason you can't contribute then I'll make the same promise to whoever does contribute (and contacts me with the details) first. Just to be clear, this is a maximum contribution offer from me of up to a $50 match to whoever on TGO contributes first; it is not open ended to everyone; just the first TGO member who contributes!

There is a lot of talk about "duty" and "right and wrong" and "morals" in this thread but I have to wonder if any of you who are so vehemently upset that "these clowns" didn't act to save Mr. Cranick from his own poor choices...how much you have contributed to a fund to help Mr. Cranick buy a new trailer? It seems to me that doing that would be a hell of lot more helpful than an 8+ page thread complaining about the South Fulton FD. Just a thought.

No because one way or another, a city (or State or whatever) WILL collect property taxes even if they have to go as far as to foreclose on the property to get them. For this man it was a voluntary arrangement which he either chose to pay for or not...to borrow a phrase from a well known movie; he chose poorly.

I would say that most industrial operations, if they are very large at all, do have "fire fighters" on site (my company does)...I don't know that I'd call them a fire department but they do respond and do what they can until the primary responders get there.