RobertNashville

I'd say that almost any model in the $20-$40 range will do just about the same (and reasonably decent) job...you can pay a LOT for some and I'm not suggesting they aren't worth it but unless you really want to spend more I think the price range above is sufficient for a good pair. Just as an aside; these things come in very handy as a home defense tool and I keep a pair in my nightstand. You see, they will magnify little ambient sounds if you turn up the gain and provide you "hearing" that you would never get unassisted. This can be a big help in identifying the location of a bad guy in the dark who may be lurking around the next corner. Further, if you do have to fire your weapon, the sound shock alone, which you are protected from, can be a defensive tool if you have hearing protection and your potential attacker doesn't.

I probably should have come back to this thread to let everyone know what I ended up doing...I ended up purchasing a EOTech 512...haven't even mounted (let alone zeroed) it yet but will do so soon. I'm thinking that eventually, if I want magnification I can add the magnifier and sort of have the best of both worlds. As far as shotguns go, I have a 12ga Benelli Super Nova Tactical but I disagree with it's use as opposed to a .223 (SCAR, AR15, etc) because of over penetration issues. I've seen tests using both water jugs and then several walls of dry-wall with the "outside wall" covered with siding where many different calibers of weapons were tested including 38, 9MM, 40S&W, 45ACP (all using hollow point/personal defense ammo) then 12 ga using buckshot and then an AR using 556/223 with personal defense ammo...the only one that didn't over penetrate was the AR (it went through one wall but the bullet disintegrated within the second wall rendering it pretty much harmless. I've also been told by more than one firearms instructor that many law enforcement agencies are switching out their shotguns for ARs for because of the lower risk of over penetration. I suppose that for those who live well out in the country and/or have exterior walls that you can depend on to stop a round it's not something you have to worry about that much but for me, I live in a suburb and only parts of the front wall of the house has brick on it so I do worry about what happens to a round if I miss my target (or even hit it for that matter)...I'm not saying I won't use one of my 45s or my 12ga but if I can get to it I do think my SCAR is the better choice!

I claim no special insight into Haslam's motivations but in general I believe it's true to say that money is hardly the only motivator for people and I'd suggest that is especially true when it comes to politics. "Power" and perhaps moreover, the acquisition of power is a very powerful motivator for many.

I think, perhaps, some might be letting their feelings about abortion (and those who provide them) color their opinion of this incident. About the only thing we can really say right now is that based on what we actually know; there is absolutely no way to determine whether this doctor was justified to draw his weapon or not.

I'm not sure it's all the goofy! I got to shoot my first AK about a month ago was happy to have had the chance. Assuming I can come I'll be bringing at least a couple of 1911s, an HK45 and probably my Glock 20 10MM (which I haven't even shot yet as I just picked it up used this week); I'll likely also bring a SCAR.

I think we'll leave the voting open for maybe three more days or so and then pick a date. At the moment, it's an even race between Saturday the 23rd and Sunday the 24th...my preference would be the 24th (mostly because I already have a commitment on the 23rd! but whatever the group goes with is fine with me.

Last heard Owl Hollow was closed??? In any case, remember that original purpose of this meet was for the folks in the "Northern" areas of Middle Tennessee and I'm not sure that the Franklin area (if that's where Owl Hollow still is) fits that bill does it? It's Ok by me either way...the purpose is to get together and have some fun!

I'm somewhat familiar with escheat and related laws (although it's been quite a while since my business law classes) but I've never really heard of them applying to property, like furniture (and especially essentially worthless furniture) abandoned by a tenant...I thought that, if it was covered at all it was covered by specific landlord/tenant laws.

Aren't there any landlord/tenet laws in Tennessee or at least in the community where this occurred that specifies who owns what when a tenet moves out and leaves stuff behind? I mean...is the landlord just expected to store the stuff indefinitely? Anyway; goof for your Dad...I really hate it when lazy, lowlife scum get anything out of their frivolous lawsuits.

Hey my friend...didn't see this thread until now either! Next weekend, as part of my TN State Guard duty I'll be with around 12,000 scouts at a regional event here near Nashville...if there is anything specific you need for these guys let me know and I may be able to pick it up for you.

I just do not (and frankly don't want to) understand situations like this. Your brother should be confined, whether a regular jail cell or a mental hospital; he is obviously a danger to society and himself; the fact that he is free to walk the streets is a travesty and points out how utterly ineffective our system of justice can be at times. I also stunned when I hear how relatives (parents, siblings, etc.) who are the victims of crime are unwilling to do what needs to be done and prosecute the criminal...the sad thing is that I hear similar stories almost every day because I often counsel people who are in debt. I know that in most cases, these victims/relatives are well meaning and, they think, acting out of love but the sad thing is that enabling criminal behavior is not a loving act at all. As to your actual question (and I am NOT an attorney) as I understand the law, the key to a successful claim of self defense is that you are in fear of your life or great bodily harm (or the same to an innocent/family, etc)...based on what you've said in this thread I think you most certainly have more than sufficient reason to be in fear of your life or of great bodily harm should you brother ever come near you.

Amen. Just because a person has a right to be armed and even a permit to carry doesn't mean they should carry.

I'm sure it would be an expensive proposition. I guess my point is that I don't see that providing this training video is necessarily a state function in the fist place - that maybe this is something that the private sector should do and is better equipped to do for itself.

I agree but then again, things worth doing well or that takes talent usually is expensive. Most good firearms are pretty expensive and the HCP classes, although I'd say are generally reasonably priced, aren't exactly what I'd call inexpensive! Moreover, whatever it might cost the private sector to do it, I'm sure the state of Tennessee spent more!

Perhaps we are thinking about this backassward. Most of us know that there is very little that the government can truly do well and almost never as well as the private sector. So...perhaps the answer is for some enterprising guys/gals (perhaps HCP instructors) and interested parties (gun shops, gun ranges, etc) to get together and do their own, first-rate and legally ACCURATE video. Given the talent for video production in this state it ought to be possible to do a very professional production. Then; take the finished product to whatever bureaucrat in TN state government has the power to approve such things and ask him/her to approve it for use in HCP classes. If nothing else, perhaps the video could at least be used to give people taking the training some accurate information.

I would consider installing one or more security cameras on your property; they aren't that expensive anymore and can be a big help should any of these low-lifes actually do anything. And yes, absolutely file a police report....start building a record about what has happened.

I believe my buddy has to report sometime in November so he and your daughter may well cross paths!

If we do it on a Saturday (which seems the most likely to me at this point going by the voting) then I would suggest perhaps around 11AM to give everybody time to get there and maybe have a good breakfast on the way. If Sunday, then I would say as soon as they open (1PM). As far as your question about a place closer, I know of several indoor ranges scattered around the Nashville area but I don't know of anyplace that offers what MCSC does (there may be some but not that I am aware of)...for me personally, I'd always rather be at an outdoor range if the weather is decent so for me, MCSC is a hands-down winner in that regard.

First up is Millie the basset hound. I've had Millie since she was 8 weeks old; she is now just over six (as of 8/31). Then comes Maxwell (Max for short). Max was a rescue from the local human society here in Murfreesboro. He is also positive for feline HIV. We don't know how old he is but we think around 8 or 9 years old now (I rescued him in the spring of 2006). Finally; a pic of the two together doing one of the things they do best; nothing at all!

One of my best friends is being transferred to Fort LostInTheWoods (as it's known) to be an instructor (MP)...he just got back from his fourth deployment to Iraq late this past spring. If I can talk him into it maybe he'll join us form some shooting...last time I was at MCSC was with him and a couple other guys from the base.

I agree that permit holders not being aware of the current laws is disturbing. Then again, if these people aren’t actually carrying than I suppose it’s a moot point. I also subscribe to the thought that no only do good people have a right to be armed; they have a societal obligation to do so for the greater good of society. How many horrible incidents of criminal gun violence might have been stopped completely or at least cut short by one good person with a firearm! As for me, I have at last one weapon with me everywhere that it is legally permitted either on me directly or off-body (depending on circumstances and what weapon I’m carrying). Unfortunately, there is a lot of my time that I cannot carry because my employer, by policy, doesn’t allow firearms on the property; even in the employee parking lot secured in a safe in the vehicle (something I hope we can change soon by legislation). That said, I’m not sure that a HCP holder not carrying is a problem…after all, having the right to be armed and even having a state issued permit to be armed is not a requirement to be armed. I know I’m stating the obvious here but making those kind of choices for ourselves is part of what a free society is all about isn’t it?

It's simple; he's a Republican because he says so and the Republican party says so and that's the way it will always be until enough honest to God conservatives can take over the leadership of the Republican party. Far too many of the current Republican party leadership; national and local, are just as corrupt and just as hungry for power as any Democrat is - once they get there it ceases to be about doing what is "right"; it simply becomes a matter of either gaining or retaining power.

They have 50, 100 and 400 yard rifle ranges...is that long enough for you??? I know I can't go on either the 16th or the 23rd (both are Saturdays); not that my being there is necessary; I was just trying to get something going...of course, it's very early in the voting at the moment!

I realize it can be a bit far for many in the "Middle Tennessee" area; it's about 80 miles for me one way. However, I think MCSC is one of the best I've ever been to and the roads I take are more than enjoyable enough all by themselves. The reason MCSC was suggested was because it was some folks up in that neck of the woods who wanted to try and have a meet.

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