Fallguy

This bill doesn't seem to address liabilty at all....

True, but if you were at the pub...you weren't buying it for off-site consumption either..

To be honest I'm not really sure. I have glanced at it but never read it cover to cover. But I would think most, if not all, requirements would be the same....

The law is in Post 56

Not sure....I really don't have any funds to buy anything...lol Not sure I want to pay admission just to window shop. Going to check more today...I think these have usually been at the fairgounds instead of the civic center.

Gun Show Listings ForTennesee Will be at the Deactur County Fairgrounds Just south of Parsons

Looks like the "new" word is getting out... Jacksonsun - Tenn. bill to protect employers allowing guns Also TV news in Jackson reported it correctly...

Yes it can be checked and tracked electronically...but the Law/Courts/DOS are sort of funny about wanting the physical item (HCP or DL) as well. Also as you may know officers don't always run a computer check on your DL or HCP...they just go by the fact that if you have it, it must be valid. (Since it usually required to be turned in if it isn't). I mean there are fairly simple ways to address these issues....it's just that the bill doesn't do that in it's current form. But that is what amendments are for...

Good deal. Yep..no surpise about No votes... Glad he also addressed the media story on it..

Where does it say anything about that? Here is the complete text of the biill (As amended) BE IT ENACTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF TENNESSEE: SECTION 1. Tennessee Code Annotated, Section 50-3-201, is amended by adding the following new subsection (d): (d) The decision of an individual, corporation, business entity or local, state or federal government entity, or agent thereof, not to post property pursuant to § 39-17-1359, thereby allowing persons with handgun permits to carry a handgun on such property, does not constitute an occupational safety and health hazard within the jurisdiction of this chapter. SECTION 2. This act shall take effect upon becoming a law, the public welfare requiring it.

Yeah...I head the blurp on the radio about it this morning. I almost wonder if this was to "test the waters" on the parking lot carry bill. To see what, if any, feedback they get from it. Because just reading the article or hearing the radio you'd think they are forcing employers to allow carry.

No, but there was a case brought before TOSHA that said it was...and although they dismissed that claim, they said each case would have to be judged on its own and didn't blanketly say that it didn't create a hazard. So this bill would blanketly say that allowing carry doesn't create a hazardous work environment.

This is not necessarily useless. This to address an issue that came up after the law change. Sort of like there was talk of beer boards requiring places to post before they would issue a license to sell beer. So the legislature added an amendment to the bill that allowed LEOs to carry where alcohol is served, that said a beer board can't do that. Well after the latest law change, there was a worked in a restaurant that instituted a proceeding with TOSHA that said because their employer didn't post that it created a hazardous work environment. TOSHA dismissed that claim, but said each claim would have to be judged on it's own...so they left they door open that such a claim could be justified in a different location. So this bill is to address that and say BY LAW that the lack of a posting doesn't create a hazardous workplace.

This bill doesn't change that at all.... This bill simply says IF a company allows carry at work...that fact alone does not constitute a health/safety hazard as some have claimed in TOSHA proceedings.

I don't think his question had anything to do with doing away with the HCP class requirements. This bill (I think, have about lost track) would change it where the DOS simply put an endorsement on your DL that you could carry a handgun, instead of printing a separate card like you they do know. Instead of your HCP and DL just having the same number they would literally be the same piece of plastic. So the question then becomes...what about those that don't have a DL? Or as in previous post, you DL is revoked, but not your HCP? Or you HCP is revoked, but not your DL? Right now there are situations where a judge in a court can make you hand over your HCP....but if the DL/HCP are the same piece of plastic....How do you drive home without a DL in your possession?

Ok here it is.... It was the "Responsiable Vendor Act", SB3316 that passed in 2006 and became Public Chapter 864 http://state.tn.us/sos/acts/104/pub/pc0864.pdf Section 12 of the above required EVERYONE to show id before the purcrhase of alcohol for "off-site" consumption. It also says that provision will sunset on July 1, 2008 So in April of 2008 SB2938 was passed and became Public Chapter 877 http://state.tn.us/sos/acts/105/pub/pc0877.pdf in which Section 3 said it is an exception to any criminal or administrative punishment if ID was not required from someone who reasonablly appeard to be over the age of 50. The 50 year old rule is the current law 57-5-301(a)(1) http://www.michie.com/tennessee/ and still only applies to the "off-site" consumption sales.

I didn't read all the post so this may have been said.....I know a bit late to the party. AFAIK the Universal ID law required everyong to be IDed that was purchasing alcohol for off-site consumption. It never requried everyone to show ID in a restaraunt. Also the law had a sunset on it....I'm pretty sure that sunset came and went without the law being extended...so what ever the laws was...it is no more. I will look and see what I can find.

Another misleading headline. The bill that passed the senate SB0519 Tennessee General Assembly » Legislation isn't the "parking lot" bill or a bill that would force anyone to allow carry. It simply says IF an employers doesn't post per 39-17-1359 that fact does not create an occupational health and safety hazard. This is the bill to address the lawsuit brought by some restaraunt employees who said they felt "unsafe" because their employer didn't post.

Excellent..... ....as long as the TABC doesn't get their panties in a wad...

Have you seen rule 1340-2-3-.06 of http://www.tennessee.gov/sos/rules/1340/1340-02/1340-02-03.pdf

Well I think you can only have "DL", not sure if you can get an additional "ID" or not. If so, then that would take care of that.

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Here is a page where you can follow the status of the bill... Tennessee General Assembly » Legislation It is up to the sponsor when to move the bill...

This is all moot for now since there is no House Bill.... But.... I think we all understand that if this passed you wouldn't need a permit to carry but many people already have a HCP, would keep them and/or new people apply for one I think. You are probably right that they could issue an ID card with the endorsement. But that still doesn't help in those situations where your DL only or your HCP only is supposed to be taken up by the court (judge). If he takes the only card you have becaue you no longer are supposed to have a HCP, how do you drive home until you get a DL without the endorsement? If takes your DL up, how are supposed to carry until you get the ID w/ the endorsement?

Not necessarly, that may have been the 12 rounds of instructors choice. When I took the class we did 12 rounds weak hand at 3 yards. But every instructor is diffirent.