Paladin132

Welcome Jon! I haven't seen any other than ORSA, but it seems pretty nice. Are you an outta towner like I am?

Mav I agree. it makes it difficult to rationally discuss issues that affect different groups independently of one another. As for everyone else, that is the fear I have is someone being painted as over reacting to a mass of people trying to do them harm. There have been a couple of places where officers faced similar situations and shot an assailant, and was charged in at least one instant. I think one happened on a campus in California, but I may be wrong. In short, there is no right answer and it's a scary scenario for law enforcement, merchants, and citizens. Where are the parents at? My folks would have beat me senseless over participating in such nonsense.

I have to say a pack as you out it is a frightening foe to encounter on the street. The perception game and the ruthlessness of pack mentality combined with very young people is a dangerous set up an in many ways a no win scenario.

I would say that is different than a flash mob... Not that there is a definitive definition, but here is my take: 1. Flash mobs are organized and planned, many times through the use of social media and mass text messages. These seem to be more oriented toward attention getting than actual belonging. 2. Gang activity is just what most folks think it is, gang activity. The initiation of activity is through association and face to face meetings instead of the other, and are usually more about belonging. I think of them as two separate things, so I wonder if the media has started using them more interchangeably?

That sucks. Had something similar happen to me because of a small throw blanket that sheds like mad. I was stopping it periodically to clean out the lint trap and it went about fifteen minutes (five longer than I had been doing) and the lint trap caught fire. I have since learned to be even more careful about that particular thing and to figure out what lints more. Your story makes me glad I have a fire extinguisher, and we never leave it unattended. We would never get ours out of our little apartment. Glad everyone is ok, although I feel you on your favorite shirt. I just had to retire my favorite ones after it has disintegrated.

Sir, I have to respectfully point out three issues with your stats sir: 1. I made a mistake by saying most incarcerated, but allow me to correct myself, I meant most in proportion to their population within the U.S. - blacks are disproportionally incarcerated much more than whites. Again, social-economic class really plays a huge part here. 2. These stats are what I would consider "massaged." Hispanics are rolled up into whites which is not accurate research in this field. 3. These statistics are for the Federal BOP. Most folks are incarcerated by State Prisons and local jails. To go to the FBOP you have to commit a federal crime (white collar crime is big here), a crime on a Native American Reservation for example. Most felonies do not get a trip to the FBOP but rather to state prisons. Tennessee Department of Corrections has 51% white, 47% Black and 2% other as for incarceration at the state level. I would argue in this example that the 51% white is going to include Hispanics and not straight up Caucasian. That is going to change the balance. I am not saying that I believe that this phenomena is actually mostly black. Something there seems a little off to me - even given the higher proportion I would expect of racial minorities reaching parity in Chicago. I simply have not looked at it. I do STRONGLY question the cross racial targeting however, as stats just do not support that type of crime anywhere else. I would love to see the raw numbers in Chicago and see, this is a interesting, and frightful, crime that has really not been studied much because it is relatively new, and going to be nearly impossible to arrest all offenders.

Prayers said for a long healthy, productive life!

I am not sure about flash mobs, but most crime is intra-racial. Also, most incarcerated folks in the nation are black. It varies depending on where you are though. Back home, it's allot more along the lines of the population, due to so many poor white hillbillies like myself being incarcerated - it seems social economic class is really the best indicator of criminal inclinations. So in short, now the academic in me is wanting to see research on the topic. Dang I thought I put that part of me in a sleeper hold after I graduated.

I've put over four thousand rounds down range out of wilson combat mags, never a problem.

+1

My jaw just hit the floor!

Good grief runningfree. I am sorry to hear that, are you out a ways?

Well you are a wing wiper, but I suppose if you can stand my smell this ground pounder will say welcome from north Knoxville, haha. Glad to see more folks around here.

See Castlerock v Gonzales, 2005.

Racism was one of the things mentioned in the Heller decision majority opinion penned by Justice Thomas, which is the point I believe being made. If one is poor they have less availability of being able to have a firearm to defend themselves with in areas that add financial burden upon a citizen in the form of additional fees.

Thank you BigJ.

I agree with both comments above. I know it is nearly impossible to know all the facts if you are at a incident, much less if you are not there. It also makes me wonder, the public's business should be out there, not hidden. I mean it is our business right? I am not so sure a LEO should be promising anyone anything other than a preliminary investigation either. That was a little odd to me. In the story I posted it was not a press member, and I do not think having recording equipment makes someone a member of the press, this one sounds as though they worked for a news organization though. Would be interesting to see more of what comes of it - although I wonder why the reporter did not write what the charge was and under what conditions that they were released.

ORSA also has one the third Sunday of the month. There is a thread about it here, but I am in tapatalk so I don't have the link. Search ORSA Three Gun and it should pop up though.

Quick question - is # 7 1/2 or smaller such as #8, ok for the shotgun?

Arrrgh! We used ice, never even thought of DRY ice. Thanks for the tip.

Happens to me all the time as I use tapatalk for my browsing, no worries! I want other new folks out there with me so I don't look so bad maybe

Runingfree, I am not that far from you but ours came on before noon. We are up central avenue pike about a mile south of Callahan Drive. Hope yours is up by now. Oh, and an update: it was off long enough we ha to go to the store again. Eggs, milk, yogurt, and meat were all bad. Dang it!

I believe it is the third Sunday of every month, but they are scheduled on the website. Link: http://orsaap.com/event_calendar.htm

I agree we must on this one DaveTN. I just honestly do not like the idea of police having that much latitude in their discretionary powers as opposed to defusing a situation with what is being called verbal judo techniques. As for your situation, that is a little different and does not involve private property, but rather a public road and someone approaching an officer, involving themselves more than walking out into their yard. As an officer, you have to work among the public all the time, and I will say that during take downs overseas we did not order people into their homes and that was in a situation that amounted to military law - of course we had more firepower sitting around Lol As a last thought, what if you were filming from inside your home and was ordered to cease and desist, or even doing something innocuous like eating on your front lawn as a picnic and ordered inside. Seems like to me that she was nearly hysterical for being arrested - sort of like I imagine I would be should LEOs hit my door after misidentifying my residence as one in a warrant. I would be angry, and scared since I know I haven't done anything to cross the law. I say it not to anger you, just trying to point out there might be another point of view sir. Disagreeing is one thing that makes our country wonderful!

I respectfully disagree. We have no idea if she has mental problems, although in this day and age there seems to be a mental problem associated with nearly every behavior. Indeed, many people would be very frantic and upset to be arrested for doing what they see as a perfectly legal, normal action.