TGO David

You can absolutely request signatures from the TGO member base. Just start a new thread mentioning the petition and describe exactly what the petition covers and what you hope to see accomplished by it. As long as the members have the ability to make an educated, informed decision, I see no problem at all with this.

I am going to do this a little differently this time. I am going to post a screen shot of the full text of the alert and at the bottom of this post you will be able to download an Adobe Acrobat PDF document that includes links that you can click. This is just the easiest way for me to copy all of this and post it here for our members w/o having to reformat everything and make it look decent. There are some important issues addressed in this alert including the establishment of a "Castle Doctrine" for self defense in Tennessee, but a version of it that TFA director John Harris feels is flawed in some fairly significant areas. Everyone should take a look. Again, PDF is at the bottom. Download it if you want to be able to print this alert out and click the links. Click here to download the PDF version.

This is the first time I've seen or heard of a broken clip. I've used CTACs for over 8 years now w/o any problem. I prefer the clip design shown above. It's their "Standard" clip. The other clips don't work very well, IMO. www.comp-tac.com for direct ordering from the manufacturer. www.gunnersalley.com only carries a small section of what Comp-Tac makes.

We've been looking at the idea of incorporating as a non-profit, however there are restrictions on what certain non-profit groups can do in terms of legislative activity. TGO's goal is to educate, inform and motivate people to get involved. I do not think that we will become an active lobbying group corporately (again, restrictions) but rather leave that to organizations like the TFA, NRA, GOA, etc. We will encourage our members to join and financially partner with those organizations. So, as for "TGO money" being put into something like that... I'm not sure there would be a way for us to do it without incurring the wrath of the IRS at a later point.

Nevermind... I edited the post for you and fixed it.

Congratulations!!!

Yes, had one with my XD45C. GREAT holster. Not as comfortable for long-term wear like the CTAC, but it had it's place and did the job very well.

Unfortunately, I don't see any pictures?

Yes, Gunners Alley is a great place to deal with. I've bought a lot from them over the past few years. Looks like I need to be careful when I remove my CTAC from now on. I really need to order an Infidel for my M&P Compact so that I can just use that for quick trips to and from work instead of putting so much temporary use on the CTAC. Especially now that I've seen this happen.

Wow... first time I've seen that happen. Good to hear that they are taking care of you!

This is friggin RIDICULOUS. It may not have been the smartest thing the kid could have done given the current political climate in the wake of the Virginia Tech shootings, but give me a damn break!!! I've read accounts of other kids being kicked out of school because they made a gun-like symbol with their index finger and thumb... because they drew a gun on a piece of paper... etc. RIDICULOUS!!!! It's a return to McCarthysim.

http://www.fortbendnow.com/news/2847/chinese-community-rallies-behind-student-removed-from-clements-over-pc-game-map by Bob Dunn, Apr 30, 2007, 11 57 am Members of the area Chinese community have rallied behind a Clements High School senior who was removed from the campus and sent to M.R. Wood Alternative Education Center after parents complained he’d created a computer game map of Clements. About 70 people attended the Fort Bend Independent School District’s April 23 meeting to show support for the Clements senior and his mother, Jean Lin, who spoke to FBISD Board trustees in a closed session. While an agenda document does not specify details, the board is holding a special meeting tonight to address the boy’s actions and the discipline that was meted out as a result, sources close to the matter say. The boy’s name was not identified last week, and the district has declined to discuss his case. Richard Chen, president of the Fort Bend Chinese-American Voters League and a acquaintance of the boy’s family, said he is a talented student who enjoys computer games and learned how to create maps (also sometimes known as “mods”), which provide new environments in which games may be played. The map the boy designed mimicked Clements High School. And, sources said, it was uploaded either to the boy’s home computer or to a computer server where he and his friends could access and play on it. Two parents apparently learned from their children about the existence of the game, and complained to FBISD administrators, who investigated. “They arrested him,” Chen said of FBISD police, “and also went to the house to search.” The Lin family consented to the search, and a hammer was found in the boy’s room, which he used to fix his bed, because it wasn’t in good shape, Chen said. He indicated police seized the hammer as a potential weapon. “They decided he was a terroristic threat,” said one source close to the district’s investigation. Sources said that although no charges were filed against the boy, he was removed from Clements, sent to the district’s alternate education school and won’t be allowed to participate in graduation ceremonies with classmates. “All he did was create a map and put it on a web site to allow students to play,” Chen said. “The mother thinks this is too harsh.” FBISD officials declined to comment on the matter Monday. “Our challenge is, people in the community have freedom of speech and can say what they want, but we have laws” covering privacy issues, especially involving minors, that the district has to respect, said spokeswoman Nancy Porter. Speakers at the FBISD Board’s April 23 meeting alluded to the Clements senior’s punishment, and drew a connection to the April 16 shootings at Virginia Polytechnic Institute, in which a Korean student shot and killed 32 people. The Asian community “faces new pressures” as a result of the shootings, William Sun told board members. “We urge the school and community not to label our Asian students as terrorists.” “We should teach our children not to judge others harshly” and not to target people as being a threat because of their race, said Peter Woo, adding that the school district should lead the way in such efforts. But Chen said Monday he and other community members don’t consider FBISD’s actions in the case to be racially motivated, and don’t think they blew the incident out of proportion. “They all think the principal has to do something – but how much? We do understand with the Virginia Tech incident…something has to be done,” Chen said. “Someone just made a mistake, and we think the principal should understand that.”

From the Tennessee Firearms Association... As most of you know, House Bill 132, sponsored by Representative Mike Bell (R-23), would allow aperson with a handgun carry permit to possess a firearm in all public hunting areas, refuges, wildlife management areas, and national forests managed by the state; House Bill 2184, sponsored by Representative Frank Nicely (R-17), would allow any resident, who has a valid handgun carry permit, to possess his or her handgun while within the boundaries of any state park. While you may have read in the papers or on TV that Rob Briley has proposed an amendment allowing you to carry in government and public buildings civic centers and playgrounds, there is NO amendment for HB2184. It appears this is a ploy by Briley to fool you into thinking he is in favor of Niceley's bill so you won't bother to support the bill. Nothing could be further from the truth. Nicely also said the commissioner of parks is adamantly opposed to his bill. <script><!-- D(["mb","Speaking of ploys TWRA (the guys who don't \nthink your carry permit is worth a dime on \u003cstrong\>their property)\u003c/strong\> have \nprompted a "fiscal note" to Bell's bill that the state would lose $11,000 in \nfines were the bill to pass.* This seems a bit odd that allowing carry \npermit holders to carry in public hunting areas would have \u003cstrong\>any\u003c/strong\> \nimpact, since TWRA can't come up with a single case of a permit holder being \narrested for poaching or violating game laws.* TWRA say "they don't make a \ndistinction between poachers and permit holders"--\u003cstrong\>Maybe they \nshould.\u003c/strong\>\u003cspan\>\u003cfont color\u003d\"#0000ff\"\>*\u003cstrong\>\u003cfont color\u003d\"#000000\"\>*\u003c/font\>\u003c/strong\>\u003c/font\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/font\>\u003c/font\>\u003c/div\>\n\u003cdiv\>\u003cfont face\u003d\"Arial\"\>\u003cfont size\u003d\"2\"\>\u003cspan\>\u003cfont color\u003d\"#0000ff\"\>\u003cstrong\>\u003cfont color\u003d\"#ff0000\"\>*(This is not correct and only \n"Assumed" by the TWRA.* Actually it is*documented by the state Dept. \nof Safety on violations of Handgun permit holders by State Law. * I pulled \nthis file*last year and it showed ZERO cases of poaching against Handgun \nPermit Holders.* So the Above fiscal impact should be ZERO.* * \nDavid)\u003c/font\>\u003c/strong\>*\u003c/font\>\u003c/span\>\u003c/font\>\u003c/font\>\u003c/div\>\n\u003cdiv\>\u003cfont face\u003d\"Arial\" size\u003d\"2\"\>\u003cfont face\u003d\"Arial\" size\u003d\"2\"\>\u003c/font\>\u003c/font\>*\u003c/div\>\n\u003cdiv\>\u003cstrong\>I spoke with both Bell and Nicely today and both their bills are \nbeing rolled a week forward\u003c/strong\> because one*member of the judiciary \nwho favors both bills will not be there tomorrow.* They both tell me that \nthey have 6 of the 10 judiciary members in*favor of the two bills.\u003c/div\>\n\u003cdiv\>\u003cfont face\u003d\"Arial\" size\u003d\"2\"\>\u003c/font\>*\u003c/div\>\n\u003cdiv\>\u003cfont face\u003d\"Arial\" size\u003d\"2\"\>\u003cfont face\u003d\"Times New Roman\" size\u003d\"3\"\>\u003cstrong\>Both \nsuggested that it would help*get these two bills passed if people would \nphone in and thank the two freshman*Democrats are voting for the \nbills.\u003c/strong\>**That means we have a few extra days to make those \nphone calls, but it also means that Rob Briley and Janis Sontany, \nranking*Democrats on the House Judiciary will have*the same amount of \ntime to try and browbeat Bass and Fincher into changing their \nvote.",1] ); //--></script>Speaking of ploys TWRA (the guys who don't think your carry permit is worth a dime on their property) have prompted a "fiscal note" to Bell's bill that the state would lose $11,000 in fines were the bill to pass. This seems a bit odd that allowing carry permit holders to carry in public hunting areas would have any impact, since TWRA can't come up with a single case of a permit holder being arrested for poaching or violating game laws. TWRA say "they don't make a distinction between poachers and permit holders"--Maybe they should. (This is not correct and only "Assumed" by the TWRA. Actually it is documented by the state Dept. of Safety on violations of Handgun permit holders by State Law. I pulled this file last year and it showed ZERO cases of poaching against Handgun Permit Holders. So the Above fiscal impact should be ZERO. David) I spoke with both Bell and Nicely today and both their bills are being rolled a week forward because one member of the judiciary who favors both bills will not be there tomorrow. They both tell me that they have 6 of the 10 judiciary members in favor of the two bills. Both suggested that it would help get these two bills passed if people would phone in and thank the two freshman Democrats are voting for the bills. That means we have a few extra days to make those phone calls, but it also means that Rob Briley and Janis Sontany, ranking Democrats on the House Judiciary will have the same amount of time to try and browbeat Bass and Fincher into changing their vote.<script><!-- D(["mb","\u003c/font\>\u003c/font\>\u003c/div\>\n\u003cdiv\>\u003cfont face\u003d\"Arial\" size\u003d\"2\"\>\u003c/font\>*\u003c/div\>\n\u003cdiv\>\u003cfont face\u003d\"Arial\" size\u003d\"2\"\>\u003cfont face\u003d\"Times New Roman\" size\u003d\"3\"\>You can use the \ntoll free*number for the General Assembly, \u003cstrong\>\u003cfont color\u003d\"#ff0000\"\>1-800-449-8366.**\u003c/font\>\u003cfont color\u003d\"#000000\"\>Henry \nFincher's Ext is 11875*and Eddie Bass's is \n11864.\u003c/font\>\u003c/strong\>\u003c/font\>\u003c/font\>\u003c/div\>\n\u003cdiv\>\u003cfont face\u003d\"Arial\" size\u003d\"2\"\>\u003cstrong\>\u003cfont face\u003d\"Times New Roman\" size\u003d\"3\"\>This is \nour chance to may a difference.\u003c/font\>\u003c/strong\>\u003c/font\>\u003c/div\>\n\u003cdiv\>\u003cfont face\u003d\"Arial\" size\u003d\"2\"\>\u003cstrong\>\u003cfont face\u003d\"Times New Roman\" size\u003d\"3\"\>\u003c/font\>\u003c/strong\>\u003c/font\>*\u003c/div\>\n\u003cdiv\>\u003cfont face\u003d\"Arial\" size\u003d\"2\"\>\u003cstrong\>\u003cfont face\u003d\"Times New Roman\" size\u003d\"3\"\>This is \nyour chance to make a difference.\u003c/font\>\u003c/strong\>\u003c/font\>\u003c/div\>\n\u003cdiv\>\u003cbr\>\u003c/div\>\u003c/div\>\n",0] ); D(["ce"]); //--></script> You can use the toll free number for the General Assembly, 1-800-449-8366. Henry Fincher's Ext is 11875 and Eddie Bass's is 11864. This is our chance to may a difference. This is your chance to make a difference.

Look at the dismal support the TFA gets in it's own backyard. I think that most people expect someone else to fight for their rights.

GOOD reloads can be better than factory loads. It all depends on who did the loading, how meticulous they were, and whether they did everything right. The most common reason that reloads get a bad name is when someone goofs and uses too much powder or sets the projectile back too far into the case, resulting in a higher case pressure than the case was designed for, and the load catastrophically fails in the breach. In a gun with a fully supported chamber, the damage is minimal or not even an issue. In a gun with a partially supported chamber (think Glock .40SW pistols) the damage is usually fatal to the gun itself and might injure the operator as well. As for the other part of your question, I use Winchester White Box ammo mostly for my target shooting. BUT I am going to get into reloading sooner or later as it's the most cost efficient way for me to continue shooting .45acp and .223 Remington as often as I would like to shoot them.

Really? I started a thread about this on a forum not devoted to gun ownership and sadly the majority seem to suggest that they would comply rather than resist.

Are you shooting Wolf through your AR? I've always heard that their steel casings are hard on the extractor and their primer lacquer gums up the bolt carrier group.

Nothing shocks me any more. If any of you think that there aren't people in this country who would like to enact exactly this type of draconian anti-gun policy, you're wrong. Dead wrong.

We're swamped with guns, but if we want to get rid of them, there is a way to do it Sunday, April 29, 2007 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07119/781629-374.stm By Dan Simpson, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette The tragedy at Virginia Tech, with a mentally disturbed person gunning down 32 of America's finest -- intelligent working people with futures ahead of them -- puts once again into focus for Americans the phenomenon of an armed society. Dan Simpson, a retired U.S. ambassador, is a Post-Gazette associate editor (dsimpson@post-gazette.com). The likely underestimate of how many guns are wandering around America runs at 240 million in a population of about 300 million. What was clear at Virginia Tech is that at least two of those guns were in the wrong hands. When people talk about doing something about guns in America, one of the points that comes to the fore is, "How could America disarm even if it wanted to? There are so many guns out there." Today I want to address the question of "how" -- if we decided to. Since I have little or no power to influence the "if" part of the issue, I will stick with "how." Before anyone starts to hyperventilate about me as a crazed liberal zealot wanting to take the gun from his cold, dead hands, let me say what my experience is of guns. As a child I played cowboys and Indians with cap guns. I had a Daisy Red Ryder B-B gun. My father had in his bedside table drawer an old pistol which I examined surreptitiously from time to time. When assigned to the American embassy in Beirut during the war in Lebanon, I sometimes carried a .357 Magnum, which I could fire accurately. I also learned there to handle and fire a variety of weapons, including Uzis and rocket-propelled grenade launchers. I don't have any problem with hunting, although blowing away animals with high-powered weapons seems a pointless, no-contest affair to me. I suppose I would enjoy the fellowship of friends who are hunters. Now, how would one disarm the American population? First of all, federal or state laws would need to make it a crime punishable by a $1,000 fine and one year in prison per weapon to possess a firearm. The population would then be given three months to turn in their guns, without penalty. Hunters would be able to deposit their hunting weapons in a centrally located arsenal, heavily guarded, from which they would be able to withdraw them each hunting season upon presentation of a valid hunting license. The weapons would be required to be redeposited at the end of the season on pain of arrest. When hunters submitted their request for their weapons, federal, state and local checks would be made to establish that they had not been convicted of a violent crime since the last time they withdrew their weapons. In the process, arsenal staff would take at least a quick look at each hunter to try to affirm that he was not obviously unhinged. It would have to be the case that the term "hunting weapon" did not include anti-tank ordnance, assault weapons, rocket-propelled grenade launchers or other weapons of war. All antique or interesting nonhunting weapons would be required to be delivered to a local or regional museum, also to be under strict 24-hour-a-day guard. There they would be on display, if the owner desired, as part of an interesting exhibit of antique American weapons, as family heirlooms from proud wars past or as part of collections. Gun dealers could continue their work, selling hunting and antique firearms. Dealers would be required to maintain very tight inventories. Any gun sold would be delivered immediately by the dealer to the nearest arsenal or the museum, not to the buyer. The disarmament process would begin after the initial three-month amnesty. Special squads of police would be formed and trained to carry out the work. Then, on a random basis to permit no advance warning, city blocks and stretches of suburban and rural areas would be cordoned off and searches carried out in every business, dwelling and empty building. Thoroughness would be at the level of the sort of search that is carried out in Crime Scene Investigations. All firearms would be seized. The owners of weapons found in the searches would be prosecuted: $1,000 and one year in prison for each firearm. Clearly, since such sweeps could not take place all across a city, county, state or the country at the same time, guns would move. But fairly quickly there would begin to be gun-swept, gun-free areas where there should be no firearms. If there were, those carrying them would be subject to quick confiscation and prosecution. On the streets it would be a question of stopping and searching anyone, even Grandma with her walker, with the same penalties for "carrying." The "gun lobby" would no doubt try to head off in the courts such new laws and the actions to implement them. They might succeed in doing so, although the new approach would undoubtedly prompt new, vigorous debate on the subject. The Virginia Tech affair has already stimulated renewed discussion of the issue, although members of Congress so far seem to be staying under their desks on the subject. Some jurisdictions would undoubtedly take the opportunity of the chronic slowness of the courts to begin implementing the new approach in any case. America's long land and sea borders present another kind of problem. It is easy to imagine mega-gun dealerships installing themselves in Mexico and perhaps in more remote parts of the Canadian border area to funnel guns into the United States. That would constitute a problem for American immigration authorities and the U.S. Coast Guard, but not an insurmountable one over time. There also could conceivably be a rash of score-settling during hunting season as people drew out their weapons, ostensibly to shoot squirrels and deer, and began eliminating their perceived two-footed enemies. Given the general nature of hunting weapons and the fact that such killings are frequently time-sensitive, that seems a lesser sort of issue. In any case, that is my idea of how it could be done. The desire to do so on the part of the American people is another question altogether, but one clearly raised again by the Blacksburg tragedy.

Cabelas isn't that overpriced.

It makes sense. It seems that they like to position themselves in markets where Bass Pro Shops have a store to compete head on with them.

When you start posting from a lawn chair with a margarita in your hand, I'm doing a drive-by.

Man, every time someone bumps this thread I come back here, view the pictures and just awe at how freaking good a 1911 looks dressed completely in black. again to a sexy, all American handgun!

I think it's kind of weird that you want my portrait on you, but if that makes you happy. Just kidding. One of the guys here at work is pretty good at Disney-esque cartoon art and SFB wants a dinosaur drawn. I'll ask him to take a swing at it today when I see him.

Nice to have you among us.