TGO David

Nice tip!

How is it bad form when you point out a safety error in someone's handling of a firearm? I thought we were all here to learn and improve upon our own skills. You guys are welcome to point out anytime I mistakenly lay my finger on the trigger when handling a gun in a setting like that.

Hornet Handler (member here) owns a SD rifle. He seems to like it, so maybe he'll chime in.

I could three... maybe four with their fingers on the trigger. The rest appear to know their stuff.

So you're running? Rabbi '08?

I really like that gun. A lot. Honestly I don't think you can go wrong with a Kimber and it being the stainless steel frame means it should be very robust, although a bit on the heavy side. A good holster and gun belt will make that a non-issue, though.

Ever see the movie My Super Ex-Girlfriend?

This is some really good stuff (link to molyresin finish) if you want to make it a bit more permanent and rugged than Krylon.

On the bright side, this gives you more time to research and make sure that what you buy will meet your needs and desires.

Good work!

Lenovo is usually really good about not putting crapware all over their laptops but the last T61 that arrived (with Vista... gag) had a bunch of software on it that I removed pretty quickly. I hope that doesn't become a trend with their new stuff especially considering how helpful the ThinkVantage restore feature is. Len... you mentioned going Mac. I'm telling you, if Microsoft doesn't do something soon to make Vista a viable business OS and streamline the core components some more to make it perform better, I'm going to have half a mind to switch all of our people here to Mac. I really like the new PowerBooks and the fact that MacOS is now *Nix based really makes me like them even more. And you'll still have the option of dual booting into Windows if you really want! Apple would make an absolute killing if they would sell MacOS for use on non-Apple hardware now that they are supporting the Intel processors.

Friday I'm helping a buddy of mine move from his old house into a temporary apartment. You're welcome to stop by and help us carry things up two flights of steps though!

We have used IBM / Lenovo Thinkpad notebooks at the office for years now. Along the way we have had a few Dell Latitudes show up but none of them have really been very acceptable in terms of longevity or durability. We've had hard drive and mainboard failures in all but one of them. The only Latitude that has lasted very long is a D620 that I'm using at this very moment... only because I'm waiting on a new Thinkpad to arrive. If you can spare the change, get a Thinkpad. I really like the new T61 widescreens. You have to specify Windows XP unless you just want Vista, but my opinion of Vista is pretty low still and probably will be until I see how Microsoft's upcoming Service Pack 1 for it addresses some of the problems. Just my $0.02 worth.

I know your frustration with the M&P trigger precisely. My full-size 40 was driving me absolutely bat**** prior to sending it off for a trigger job. My grouping was horrible and I knew that I was doing everything right in terms of minimizing trigger jerk. The thing is, some of those guns have a even more horrible break than others. My compact isn't like that and neither is my wife's compact. But the big 40 would literally jump to the left every time the trigger broke over and as a result my initial shot might have been off but my follow-up shot would definitely be off. After the trigger was re-worked by Dan Burwell and the pull weight cut down to around 3.5lbs, the gun became a nail driver. If I miss now, it's because I screwed up. If you were closer, I'd be more than happy to let you shoot it sometime at the range. That trigger feels almost as good now as some 1911 triggers do out of the box.

Right. So I guess what I meant to ask in my previous post was whether a state government has been sued yet for prohibiting a citizen's right to defend him or herself in an establishment that the government had declared to be a "gun-free zone".

I don't want to Monday Morning Quarterback you here, but it sounds like you were jerking the trigger and causing your shots to go wide. I have no problem getting very tight groups out of either of our M&P compacts. Granted, the trigger on these guns is a little gritty at first but it does smooth out with use... and really shines if you have a competent gunsmith smooth it out for you. Besides, a compact handgun shouldn't be considered for sharpshooting. If you're wanting accuracy, get a 5" bbl single-action. As long as the compact can put it's bullets into a man-sized target at 10 yds or less, I'd say it is doing the job it was intended to do. But most of them are capable of being way more accurate than that; the M&P included.

Does anyone here know if a lawsuit has successfully been brought against a business or organization that prohibited concealed carry permit holders to go armed on their property and where one of said permit holders was harmed on that property as a result? That would really make things interesting.

As a Mustang owner, that would be A-OK with me. Wait, my wife's daily driver is a Honda... I know, I was just using it to illustrate the point.

This is going off topic quite a bit, but I'll say that I do not agree with the sentiment that we should be allowed to carry handguns onto airplanes. I do believe that the cabin crew should be armed and I do believe that there should be trained Air Marshals on each and every flight. You also have the right to own an overly aggressive pitbull or doberman, but you shouldn't have the right to take that dog onto a playground and turn it loose among a group of children. There comes a point where your rights end and mine begin, and I don't want you popping off rounds inside an airplane at 30,000 feet.

This part gets me every time. Sure, you have the right to insist that no one bring a gun onto your property. However, who exactly are you going to be pissed off at? a.) The criminal who conceals a gun, comes onto your property and harms you b.) The good guy who conceals a gun, comes onto your property, leaves and you were never the wiser c.) The good guy who conceals a gun, comes onto your property and saves your ass when the criminal from a.) tries to harm you Just wondering. Because most people who claim the thing about personal property rights tend to view it a little differently when item C becomes the case.

I'm going to be the Devil's Advocate here and just say what I think most people mean when they say "Concealed means concealed" since you're not likely to get many replies from folks admitting to do something wrong. People who I've spoken with and who have that mentality tend to figure that the law of Self Preservation (aka the God-given right to life) outranks the laws of the land. These are sometimes the same people who have carried a concealed weapon for years before any sort of legal provision to do so was granted. These are the folks who figure that the real bad guys don't observe the law and therefore don't play by the rules, so the only way to keep from becoming prey is to similarly skirt the law but do so in as benign of a fashion as possible. Honestly, this sort of survival mindset (if you'll forgive me from using a word that I think has become ridiculously trivialized by advertising propaganda) has existed from the earliest days of good vs. evil. History tells us that the British were befuddled when Colonial American soldiers began adopting "guerilla warfare" tactics rather than observe the formal rules of combat that the British expected honorable men to follow. There's nothing honorable about ending up dead, the Colonials started realizing that, so they took the kid gloves off and did what the "law" thought unthinkable.

Emphasized because, well... it can't be emphasized enough. Truer words have rarely been spoken in regard to civil settlements. You can essentially expect that the likelihood of ever seeing your money again is inversely proportional to how much of a dirtbag the perp was and his family members are.

Yeah but... who's the woman holding the love of your life? And I agree that's a sweet rifle. That's my 13 year old son shooting my full-size M&P .40SW a month or two ago.

Well, let's give this a spin... http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=28

Several of our members had requested that I add a forum specifically for starting threads that would feature photographs (and videos perhaps) of firearms and firearms related things. So, this is the place to do it. Use an outside service like Photo Bucket or ImageShack to host the photos and likewise link them here. I will post a tutorial on how to link photos into your posts soon. Please keep photographs PG rated and keep them relevant to the theme of firearms ownership. Also, feel free to Rate the threads by clicking on the appropriate button at the top of each thread. Thanks, and enjoy!