OngoingFreedom

Correct. And the ones who get the lion's share through alcohol sales are required to post, so CCW's (Texas is CCW) don't have to guess.

Yes, that was intentional, sorry! With all the angst going on I thought we could use a little levity. It was in Texas. I flew down for the day on business. Ironically enough I carried into a restaurant for the first time into an alcohol-serving one. Rest assured I researched the law in Texas heavily before doing so.

So I had lunch with my brother last Friday in Texas. We don't get to eat together that much so it was special. His young daughter came with us. He wanted to go to a Mexican restaurant so that is where we went. The day before I finally got my HCP after a 79 day wait and couldn't wait to carry in public. Yeah, the restaurant served alcohol, but here's my point. No one got hurt. No one even cared. I exercised my 2nd Amendment right and was proud of it.

And tomorrow I'll get to carry in Tennessee and Texas!

My wife and I just got our HCP's today, and so did our neighbor across the street. Wait was 79 days, and the effective date on the permit was 13 days ago.

Thanks. Believe it or not I've not used that site yet. Very helpful.

Well, that was the idea of going to opencarry.org. Sorry I wasn't more specific.

I agree. But here's my point: there seems to be a lot of energy in this thread but not much of it dealing with the substance of the article. It had the "appearance" of doing its homework and therefore should be refuted on the basis of its facts. Other than opencarry.org and handgunlaw.us I don't have any quick references, and those aren't always correct. I was hoping someone here had either personal knowledge or other quick sources of information. Yeah I can dig up the information with a lot of effort, but why if it was readily available?

From the Kentucky State Police website: I should have looked closer, thanks to both who straightened me out. But I still have a concerns about the article. Can anyone refute the article? Like the part about only 15 states having anything "remotely" like our new law?

What I want to know is this true? For kicks I went to opencarry.org which has nifty maps, including restaurant carry (that serve alcohol). They showed 40 states that allow. Checking just one, Kentucky, online showed that Kentucky does not in fact allow this. How can we fight effectively if our information is is faulty?

Now 52% for, 48% against.

From their website:

New poll on NewsChannel 5 about carry in parks. Only issue is they're not sayin' how the poll is going, but during the 10:00 pm newscast they said it was 57% for, 43% against carry in parks.

Oil and vinegar can be quite tasty together. Perhaps she meant oil and water instead.

I just spoke to one of the State pilots who's probably just now returning from Knoxville (just a chit-chat, I'm just now getting current on this thread for the day). He had taken Commissioner Whitaker but didn't say anything about the governor being there.

I tried to follow the FAQ on uploading a picture but can only figure out how to upload a custom pic for the avatar, so I'm hoping when I click "Submit Reply" it changed to the picture you were wanting to see, Nikki. This sign is posted on the gate to my hangar in Nashville.

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Wrote the whole council (thanks for the great link), Senator Black, Representative Maggart and the NRA-ILA: Dear Senator Black and Representative Maggart, Yesterday I sent both of you thanks for your support of HB 0962 /SB 1127, which is now law and takes effect on July 14th, 2009. Today I am writing you out of concern that the counties of Tennessee, Davidson County in particular, are attempting an end run around the new law, preempting Tennessee law which is in violation of such. I live in Gallatin, Sumner County but work in Davidson County. As I understand it the Metro Council is trying to strong-arm restaurants by forcing them to post signs prohibiting handguns or have their beer license revoked. I have just emailed the entire Metro Council the following: “Yesterday, June 4, 2009, the General Assembly overturned the Governor's veto of HB 0962 /SB 1127 "Guns in Restaurants" which is now law, to take effect July 14th. It is my understanding that you are attempting to circumvent this law by forcing restaurants that serve beer to post the "No Guns" sign or have their ability to serve beer revoked. You are attempting to preempt the State and that is against the law. TCA 39-17-1314. Local regulation of firearms and ammunition preempted by state regulation — Actions against firearms or ammunition manufacturers, trade associations or dealers. — (a) No city, county, or metropolitan government shall occupy any part of the field of regulation of the transfer, ownership, possession or transportation of firearms, ammunition or components of firearms or combinations thereof; provided, that the provisions of this section shall be prospective only and shall not affect the validity of any ordinance or resolution lawfully enacted before April 8, 1986. I am a resident of Sumner County but work in Davidson County. As of July 14th I will only visit restaurants that do not restrict my right to carry my handgun... I have applied for my Handgun Carry Permit (HCP) and anticipate having it before the 14th. Should you continue this action not only will you have a legal fight (read: expensive) with the State of Tennessee and the National Rifle Association (NRA) but these restaurants will not get my business, as I have discretion on which county I choose to enjoy a fine meal. I am forwarding a copy of this letter to Senator Diane Black and Representative Debra Maggart, and to the NRA of which I am a member.” I will follow through with my threat. Please take what action is necessary to prevent this from happening. If the Council gets away with this other counties and cities will quickly follow suit, nullifying the law you worked so hard to pass. Thank you very much. Sincerely, xxxx

Thanked Sen. Black & Rep. Maggart, both of whom voted to override. Senator Black / Rep. Maggart, Thank you for your support of HB 0962 /SB 1127! It is a relief knowing that there is one less set of places I don't have to worry about disarming for. It is amazing it has taken 12 years, especially with such a lopsided victory. You have my gratitude. xxxx

I agree, good article.

Wife and I both voted. 63 Yes 36 No 1 Other

I'm a pilot and get around a bit. Bozeman, MT was bone dry (I'm talking nothing but that "shotgun" ammo) but Rapid City, SD had PLENTY, especially Cabela's. Lotsa pistol ammo, in the aisles in front of God and everybody, all calibers, even .45 GAP, many different brands/styles.

Try Academy Sports and Outdoors in Madison - when I could only find .40 S&W ball ammo in the gun stores in Gallatin they were the only ones locally that had JHP's (Winchester Supreme Elite Bonded).

Forcibly entering can be countered by deadly force. I imagine the conversation, if there was one, would be something like "Get down on the floor, face down, arms and legs spread." "Alright man, don't shoot me!" The law, however, anticipates another possibility. Let's say an acquaintance drops by and you let them inside. While inside the conversation sours and you want them to leave. You tell them to leave (welcome has been rescinded and they are now trespassing). They refuse. At this point you may... The law says you may use reasonable force to remove them from your home, like put your hand(s) on them and push them to/out the door. If the situation escalates you may escalate the force to match. At no time may you use or threaten to use deadly force, unless it becomes a matter of self defense.

Great movie, that.