Tim Nunan

I too may have become too comfortable carrying. I used to be on a rescue committee for a dog club. We do home visits prior to placing a dog and apparently someone saw my carrying gun (Nothing was said by the homeowner at the time.) and the word got back to the club. The club directors thought that me carrying into an known situation reflected poorly on the club and I was removed from the committee. Bottom line is there can be consequences for our decision to carry.

TENNESSEE FIREARMS ASSOCIATION KNOXVILLE CHAPTER THE JUNE MEETING WILL BE HELD ON TUESDAY EVENING JUNE 3, 2008 Our guest speaker will be from the Knox County Sheriff Department, Bomb Squad. He will discuss recognizing potentially explosive objects and the appropriate action to take. He will have the bomb squad vehicle and will demonstrate the robot. This should be a very interesting meeting!! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Monthly meetings are held at Bob’s Mountaineer Restaurant, 10321 Chapman Highway (Rt. 441) in Seymour, TN. A pre-meeting social hour is from 6 PM to 7 pm during which you may wish to eat dinner either from the menu or from the buffet. The meeting will begin at 7 PM and end at 8 PM. Participation by those in attendance is always encouraged. Gun owners, persons involved in the shooting sports, Second Amendment supporters and interested public are urged to attend, YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE A MEMBER TO ATTEND. For more information contact: Bill Noll; wsnoll@comcast.net 865-688-0321 or Charlie Thoms; Cthoms43@aol.com 865-379-2151

David, no sweat, have done the same myself.

It would be nice if the NRA board would implement a procedure to have a representative from each state; that would still leave 25 directors "at large".

Previously reported http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8306

SB 3017/HB 2865 approved a NRA license plate with funds to go to the scholastic clay target programs http://www.legislature.state.tn.us/bills/currentga/Amend/SA1517.pdf

Guess we can spend the summer wonder who Commissar Naifeh will assign to this committee: http://www.legislature.state.tn.us/bills/currentga/BILL/HR0390.pdf HOUSE RESOLUTION 390 By McCord A RESOLUTION to create a special House committee to study the issue of allowing persons with a valid handgun permit to carry in restaurants that serve alcoholic beverages, the licensing of clubs allowing only persons eighteen years of age and older or twenty-one years of age and older and the licensing of restaurants by the alcoholic beverage commission. BE IT RESOLVED BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ONE HUNDRED FIFTH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF TENNESSEE, that there is hereby created a special House committee to study the issue of allowing persons with a permit to carry a handgun in restaurants that serve alcoholic beverages and the issue of licensing by the alcoholic beverage commission of restaurants and clubs allowing only persons eighteen ( 18 ) years of age and older or twenty-one (21) years of age and older. BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the committee shall consist of five (5) members of the House of Representatives, to be appointed by the Speaker of the House. BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that all appropriate state agencies shall provide assistance to the special committee upon request of the chair. BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that all legislative members of the special committee who are duly elected members of the General Assembly shall remain members of such committee until the committee reports its findings and recommendations to the General Assembly. BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the special committee shall be convened by the member with the most years of continuous service in the General Assembly, and at its first meeting shall elect a chair, vice-chair, and such other officers the committee deems necessary. BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the special committee shall timely report its findings and recommendations, including any proposed legislation, to the One Hundred Sixth General Assembly no later than February 1, 2009, at which time the committee shall cease to exist.

Calling himself a mountain republican Mike Faulk said that meant "leave me alone" and that was the ideology he'd use in the state Senate when considering legislation. Mike said that the state should be involved in five issues: clean water, safety, roads ans schools; everything else brought before the Assembly should be viewed skeptically. In discussing individual rights he said they are not absolute and are subject to reasonable restraint. "The devil is in the details", said Mike. Like you don't get to yell fire in a crowed theater; although Faulk said that the HCP was a form of unreasonable restraint. When asked if he'd support Vermont style carry laws Mike responded "Of course, but I doubt that would ever pass here." Faulk spoke easily and answered every question with no waffling or hesitation. He seem self assured and confident. Faulk pointed out the fact that his opponent, Mike Williams, then a Republican voted for Jimmy Naifeh to be House Speaker all but once in the 18 years Williams was a representative.

But he'd be our dingbat and Naifeh would be gone

Mike was entertaining and informative when he filled in for another speaker on jury nullification and I expect tonight's discussion will equal his last appearence.

Once again: "You should not examine legislation in the light of the benefits it will convey if properly administered, but in the light of the wrongs it would do and the harm it would cause if improperly administered." Purportedly said by Lyndon Johnson, 36th President of the U.S.

Doesn't relate to HCP but otherwise yes: http://www.lawreader.com/index.php/browse/node/7438.html Fed appeals court says motorist's refusal to give police his name is no cause for arrest By Rob Moritz Arkansas News Bureau Saturday, Apr 5, 2008 LITTLE ROCK - A police officer does not have the authority to arrest someone for refusing to identify himself when he is not suspected of committing a crime, a federal appeals panel ruled Friday. The decision by a three-judge panel of the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in St. Louis reversed an Arkansas federal judge's ruling and ordered a new hearing in a Benton County man's lawsuit challenging his arrest for refusing to show his identification during a traffic stop. "It is amazing how many times I have had people convicted for doing the same thing," said Rogers attorney Doug Norwood. "You have to have a reasonable suspicion that the individual person is either committing a crime or about to." Norwood filed the original lawsuit on behalf of Richard M. Stufflebeam of Lowell. Stufflebeam was a passenger in his grandson's car in May 2003 when the vehicle was stopped by a state trooper. The driver was not issued a citation during the traffic stop. When Trooper Jeff W. Harris asked the grandfather for identification, he told the officer he did not have to show any ID. "It was an afterthought," Norwood said. "The officer asked Mr. Stufflebeam for his ID and he said 'no.'" The trooper "returned to his vehicle and requested backup," the court said. "When two additional officers arrived, Harris asked Stufflebeam to exit the vehicle," the ruling said, adding that Stufflebeam was handcuffed and placed in the back of the trooper's cruiser. He was taken to jail and charged with obstructing governmental operations. The prosecutor's office later dismissed the charge in district court and Stufflebeam filed a federal civil rights lawsuit against Harris, alleging the trooper had no probable cause to arrest him. U.S. District Court Judge Jimm Hendren dismissed the lawsuit, ruling the trooper had qualified immunity as a police officer and that Stufflebeam failed to state a claim. Stufflebeam appealed to the 8th Circuit. In its ruling Friday, the federal court panel referenced a 2004 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that "an officer may not arrest a suspect for failure to identify himself if the request for identification is not reasonably related to the circumstances justifying the stop." There was no evidence Stufflebeam was trying to obstruct justice when he refused to identify himself, the appeals court said. "Thus, the primary question ... is whether Arkansas law permits a police officer to arrest a person for refusing to identify himself when he is not suspected of other criminal activity and his identification is not needed to protect officer safety or to resolve whatever reasonable suspicions prompted the officer to initiate an ongoing traffic stop. We conclude it does not," the court said. The court also said the state trooper did not have qualified immunity from the lawsuit under state statute. Qualified immunity protects public officials "from liability for civil damages insofar as their conduct does not violate clearly established statutory or constitutional rights of which a reasonable person would have," the court said, adding that the trooper "acted contrary to the plain meaning" of the state statute.

Fully Informed Jury Association http://www.fija.org/

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/DaveKopel/2008/05/08/gun_owners_for_hillary If you doubt the transformational power of Barack Obama, consider the change that he’s effected on Hillary Clinton. The New York Senator came into the 2008 race with a nearly perfect anti-gun rights voting record, following her White House tenure on behalf of the most aggressively anti-Second Amendment administration in American history. Yet today, her candidacy survives because of the pro-gun vote. A Tuesday loss in Indiana would have ended the race. But she eked out a 2% victory by carrying the votes of gun-owning households (who made up half of the electorate) in a 22% landslide. In Pennsylvania, her ten-point win brought in ten million dollars of cash that she needed to keep going. Her 25% margin in gun-owning households of the Keystone State (a third of the electorate) turned what would have been a close contest into a runaway. In North Carolina, she was crushed by Obama. Yet among gun-owning households, she actually won the state by 3%, her 15 point loss being attributable to Obama’s margin in the non-gun households. Even before the final Indiana results had even been counted, a Clinton campaign press release crowed about her demonstrated appeal to gun owners. In the final days before Indiana, the Clinton campaign sent a targeted mailing to Hoosier gun owners. It pointed out that Obama claimed to support the Second Amendment, and promised not to take away people’s guns. But, as the mailing noted, Obama had endorsed handgun prohibition in 1996. The mailer also reminded voters about Obama’s comment to a wealthy San Francisco crowd that economically distressed people in small towns in the Midwest “cling†to guns because they are “bitter.†The Clinton mailing wasn’t pitch-perfect. It featured a picture of a beautiful rifle, a 66 Mauser. The Mauser costs about $2,200, and sports a double trigger, an accessory rarely found on American guns, but more typical of Western Europe, where the firearms market is more geared to custom guns for the aristocracy, as opposed to America’s off-the-racks guns for the masses. Even so, gun-owning Hoosiers apparently got the message that Obama’s claims to support the Second Amendment individual right were “just words.†Despite Obama’s purported support for the Second Amendment, he has lately been refusing to say whether or not he thinks the District of Columbia’s handgun ban is constitutional. Yet last November, his campaign released a statement declaring that Obama considers the handgun ban constitutional, and to be a “common sense†local anti-violence policy. During the debate just before Pennsylvania, Obama again refused to answer a direct question about the D.C. ban, claiming that he has a policy of not commenting on pending cases. But in another case that was pending before the Court—a challenge to Indiana’s law requiring voters to present a current photo ID—Obama had signed onto an amicus brief arguing that that ID law was unconstitutional.

Seems the Nashville chapter has grown some roots and may keep going - well done.

My bride passed the permit class with me many years ago but decided not to apply for the permit because 1) She is an instructor at a community college and would have to leave it in her vehicle, 2) She isn't sure she would use it on another human being. :: shrugs:: I have to concur that if she wouldn't use it she shouldn't carry it though I feel that someone intending to do her harm may not qualify as a human being The classes did get her interested in joining me in shooting competitive bullseye.

Property; if necessary shoot.

No, from the petlaw list

Panther Creek park has some mild hiking paths of varying lengths that can make for a nice afternoon outing. Some nice overlooks of Cherokee lake but nothing to compare with Falls Creek falls.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/065njdoe.asp You just knew it was coming: At the request of the Swiss government, an ethics panel has weighed in on the "dignity" of plants and opined that the arbitrary killing of flora is morally wrong. This is no hoax. The concept of what could be called "plant rights" is being seriously debated. A few years ago the Swiss added to their national constitution a provision requiring "account to be taken of the dignity of creation when handling animals, plants and other organisms." No one knew exactly what it meant, so they asked the Swiss Federal Ethics Committee on Non-Human Biotechnology to figure it out. The resulting report, "The Dignity of Living Beings with Regard to Plants," is enough to short circuit the brain....

I had thought they were smarter there. :: sighs:: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3818457.ece

No I'm just posting their meeting announcements here to help get the word out. Depending on the subject matter and my availability I have gone to their meetings. Charlie Thoms and Bill Knoll are the hosts for the Knoxville chapter.

ENNESSEE FIREARMS ASSOCIATION KNOXVILLE CHAPTER THE MAY MEETING WILL BE HELD ON TUESDAY EVENING MAY 6, 2008 Our guest speaker is Mike Acuff from the American Eagle Foundation, he will talk about their operations at Dollywood in Pigeon Forge. Should be an interesting meeting. Bring the ladies too. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Monthly meetings are held at Bob's Mountaineer Restaurant, 10321 Chapman Highway (Rt. 441) in Seymour, TN. A pre-meeting social hour is from 6 PM to 7 pm during which you may wish to eat dinner either from the menu or from the buffet. The meeting will begin at 7 PM and end at 8 PM. Participation by those in attendance is always encouraged. Gun owners, persons involved in the shooting sports, Second Amendment supporters and interested public are urged to attend, YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE A MEMBER TO ATTEND. For more information contact: Bill Noll; wsnoll@comcast.net 865-688-0321 or Charlie Thoms; Cthoms43@aol.com 865-379-2151

We'll be having Dan Ford for the June meeting. Ford is running against Eddie Yokely (another Naifeh sycophant) for the District 11 (south Greene county and Cocke county) House seat.

This was sent on the CMP newsletter 5/1/08: TheTennessee Shooting Sports Association (TNSSA) will be hosting a two-day Conventional Pistol Clinic, taught by Brian Zins (eight time National Champion). The clinic will take place on September 13-14, 2008 at the Nashville Matchmasters facility in Columbia, TN. The clinic times will be 8:00 am to 5:00 pm on September 13 and 7:00 am to 4:00 pm on Sep?tember 14. The clinic will be a combination of classroom instruction and firing exercises. Participants will need to bring a target pistol (.22 caliber is preferred but any other caliber is acceptable), 300 rounds of ammunition, eye protection, and ear protection. Participants will also be responsible for their own meals and lodging (there are plenty of restaurants and hotels within ten minutes of the range). The cost of the clinic will be $200 per competitor. The number of participants is limited to 25. If you are interested in attending, please contact Alan Barcon, TNSSA Pistol Director, to sign up via email at abarcon@gmail.com or telephone (731) 499-0723. First come, first served. Seats will not be held without a deposit.