packingvol

Thanks for clearing that up. I was mistaken in the use of "straw sale," you understood what I was getting at. I'm not worried about being sued, just thinking over factors that can make the process more or less painful.

Here is something else to consider... what, if any difference would it make in a civil suit defense if the weapon used is purchased through FFL, or purchased via straw sale? Everyone assumes there would be no issue since the law clearly allows for straw sale of handguns between citizens without registration, assuming the criteria for straw sale are met. Is this another potential can of worms if you're trying to defend yourself against the inevitable civil suit? Is the answer to only utilize from unmodified factory handguns purchased through FFL? I'm only suggesting that some jury's may be sympathetic to the "unregistered handgun" argument, if there is one to be made. Thoughts?

That's pretty much what I was leaning towards when I got to thinking about this. My biggest concern was that my carry pistol is designated 40 caliber (G27) but I've installed a barrel to shoot 357 SIG, a fact that would be a lot easier to pick up on in a report as opposed to any internal modifications. Obviously trigger modifications would be difficult to detect, and probably never even considered unless otherwise mentioned. Given the line of logic presented for these types of civil cases, it wouldn't be hard for plaintiff's lawyer to argue the cartridge had been "upgraded" or some such thing to make the weapon more destructive, etc. Whereas I could always just simply go find me a G33 and carry a stock 357 SIG glock, no modifications or alternations to otherwise pick apart in a report. Plenty of police agency's use the cartridge, so I doubt that point has much arguable validity. I'm less concerned about ammo selection. I figure that a hollow point is a hollow point, and if police agency's use it, AND it can be purchased on the civilian market, then it is good to go. This has, in fact, got me thinking about the Rangers I carry as well...

Something got me thinking about this the other day, maybe sparked by casual readings regarding the debate on modifying components in handguns. The old "modified the trigger" in potential civil suits regarding defensive shootings. I know this trigger issue has been argued ad nauseum, but somehow it got me thinking about the barrel swap in my daily carry. I carry a G27 with an aftermarket 357 SIG barrel in it. This isn't intended to spark a caliber debate, but is there any reason to have concern carrying a modified pistol as such, considering some of the arguments presented in the modified trigger debate? I know it sounds silly, but if it can be avoided...

I've done all my FFL stuff recently through On Target off of Inskip near Merchants: On Target Training Center, Inc. - Handgun Carry Permit Training - Knoxville, Tennessee Doug's fees are probably the lowest in town, and he's super easy to work with via phone and email.

Hk P30... bar none the slickest thing I've put my hands on in years. If you haven't held, or shot one... you should do yourself a favor and do so before committing to anything else. I bought one recently, and I'm a glock guy... my glocks are jealous, and are making less frequent appearances in my range bag. You have more than a few options to choose from now... variants with or without safety, standard or "longslide," LEM or standard SA/DA. 9mm or 40 cal. If you are stuck on 45acp, then check out the HK45.

Saw this on Glocktalk: Taurus 709 FS - TN - Glock Talk

"Only 200fps over HOT 9mm"... that's a bit misleading. Consider that 200fps is about a 16% gain in velocity when comparing the hottest available 9mm loads (say 127gr SXT +p+) to the hot 357 SIG loads (125 grain double tap). Energy levels are usually about 100-140 ft/lbs more, or 20-25% gain, with the hot 357 SIG loads. To me, this is considerable.

I have a 357 SIG barrel in my G27... it's what I carry every day. The way I understand it, even if your round over penetrates through an attacker, the amount of energy it will be carrying at that time is unlikely to cause deadly wound to another bystander. One thing to consider, full power 357 SIG rounds out of a short barrel are LOUD.

Most of the LEO trade in guns I've seen actually seemed to have pretty clean internals. Most duty guns are not shot as frequently as you think, not to mention Glocks can handle 10s of thousands of rounds without worry. Replace the recoil spring if you are really worried, the barrels are fine. They just see a LOT of holster time, and therefore the wear is usually cosmetic and on the exterior. This is not a problem with Glocks tennifer. Police trade in G22's at $350 are a GREAT DEAL. Show me another quality, proven, uber-reliable service/combat pistol for that price.

Not to pick a fight, but how many people who caution against compensated models have actually fired them at night, or in low light settings? In my experience the flash, while noticeable, is certainly not bright enough to "blind" you. I also very seriously doubt that the quick flash, when fired from the hip, would be enough to ignite clothing... unless it it HIGHLY flammable. I think the major concern for compensated models would be possible dirt or obstructions working into the barrel if not regularly cleaned, although this would probably not be a factor if the weapon is kept holstered. They are a bit louder too. They do have a noticeable affect on recoil and it is much easier to stay on target with follow up shots and rapid fire.

I thought I agreed with this sentiment, I would always leave my J-frame .38 in my wife's bedside drawer when I went out of town. She recently expressed interest in getting her HCP so we went to the range with an array of options for her to shoot and choose what she wanted to train with for the class. She absolutely HATED my j-frame airweight with standard .38 loads (let alone +p). The recoil is super harsh, and with the DA pull she was very inconsistent on target, even as close as 10ft. She was actually very pissed at me for leaving this gun in her drawer while I traveled. I only carry the j-frame as a backup, or lightweight pocket gun. I hate shooting it at the range, but force myself to run at least a box of ammo through it every 6 months just to stay current. I know for a fact my wife will never shoot that pistol again. Women have better opportunities for "off body" carry. This opens up a lot more possibilities for them to conceal medium frame to large frame handguns, and avoid the pitfalls of subcompacts (harsh recoil, short sight radius, substandard sights, ect). For novice shooters and infrequent shooters (men or women), it is probably more important to have a handgun that one is comfortable shooting, rather than the smallest/lightest possible pocket pistol out there. The more comfortable you are with a handgun, the more likely you are to practice with it, and thus shooter skill level and confidence levels will soar.

If this isn't a carry gun, consider the 226. The only real difference is in barrel length, and thus sight radius. The 226 is .5 inches longer in both regards. I have a P226 Elite in 357 SIG. This one I'll have till the day I die.

If I'm not mistaken, Bud's price on the G37 is lower than the GSSF price, which is 10% BELOW Glock wholesale. Also, you only get one gun a year at those prices through GSSF. Priced like this, I wonder how long I can resist.

8. HK45 Seriously. Find one, hold it, fondle it, shoot it.

This wouldn't happen to have been a pair of Chantilly's that were recently sold there? I own several P7M8s and frequent HKPro. Be nice to know who to avoid over there...

I can't wait for the P30L in 40 cal. HK is dropping hints we may see them in late summer. I'll be super happy if it is a P30SL in 40!

After 7 years of EDC (and about as many different carry guns), I finally settled on the G27 solely for the fact that I can be made a 357 SIG launcher with nothing more than a drop in barrel swap. For all practical purposes the G27 and G33 are the same handgun, just different barrels and a SLIGHTLY different follower in the G33 mags. The 357 SIG round loads and shoots just fine from the stock G27 40cal mags. The cost of a factory glock barrel is usually around $150-175, many aftermarket ones from $100-175. I use a KKM 357 Sig barrel in my G27 and it has performed flawlessly. I actually prefer shooting the 357 SIG over the 40. I think I only put about 50 rounds through the 40 barrel before leaving the 357 SIG in there. It's nice having the option to switch back in forth, in case of ammo availability issues, ect. I've NEVER had a problem finding 357 Sig ammo, and I've never paid over $18 a box of 50 for 125gr FMJ. You can get really nasty 125gr gold dots from Doubletap for $42 a box. The recoil is not bad at all, but it is loud. It will make people a few lanes over stop shooting . I found that I prefer having the +0 pearce grip extension on the mags. Makes it a little easier to grab from the holster securely and gives it the "feel" of a much larger gun without sacrificing anything in the way of concealment. And yes, you can shoot 9mm out of it. You will need a 9mm conversion barrel specifically for it. Lone Wolf makes one. You will also need G26 mags. But for $150 you can get a barrel and two mags and be able to shoot 9mm just as if it was a G26. The next logical step is to get you a G35, or G24 and pop in a 357 SIG barrel for a long barreled SIG launcher. KaBOOOOM!

I forgot to mention: On Target Training Center - on Inskip behind Sugarbakers. Doug is a super nice guy, his in store selection is a little limited, but he has nice stuff. He also does transfers for $15 plus $10 for TICS. That's $25 TOTAL to transfer in a firearm! He's also super quick with communications and likes to work via email.

This made me laugh! I've been searching for a decent shop in town since Guns and More closed shop. Jess used to take good care of me, transfers were never a problem, ect. For the life of me I can't understand how a gun shop closed down in the middle of one of the biggest "boom" times for the industry... I've consistently been turned off at CCA. The state of their range is embarrassing. For a business to bring in so much money on range time, the condition of their stalls, lighting, carriers, ect was horrid. I read here that they have recently improved the range, but unfortunately it will take a small miracle to get me back in the door to try it. Maybe if they offered a "were you turned off by the state of our old range, give us a try again, free range day promo".... I shoot at Gunny's, but largely because it is convenient for me, and the range is pretty nice. I am a member, and usually shoot during the mid-day hours when I'm in Maryville doing business. I understand that a lot of people are upset about their "new" hours, but I never get to shoot after work, or on the weekends (Sunday) so it doesn't really affect me. Their prices on new guns seem a bit high, but as a member I get one gun a year at "cost" so we'll see how that goes when it comes time to take them up on the offer. FWIW: I think the best "gun shop" Knoxville has to offer are the nearly monthly fun shows, that's about where all my business is conducted. Or I drive down to Cleveland and visit Warren at VOW, he's good people and has decent prices and a heck of a selection.