rentalguy1

I guess I stated it wrong. They want them to practice more, so they give them the ammo to do it with. All they have to do is schedule with the armory officer a time to pick up some ammo, then they can practice with it on their time off. It's open to anyone who wants to use it, but few do. It would be nice if all the departments did this.

Would you guys be so kind as to go back and re-read the thread. I told this other guy a couple of times that I did not want a fight, and that I was just stating my opinion. The trinkets comment means nothing. If it had come from someone who didn't have several of his own trinkets it may be different. This is just messed up. I stated an opinion, he stated his, I quoted his comment and politely disagreed with it. All of that was in line with the OP. Then he comes back at me, bragging about his combat actions, with links even. He even said that I know nothing of guerrilla warfare. I never stated what I did in the military, and no one here knows. This is just nuts...

Good point. When the victim exited the vehicle with his ccw in hand, he was knowingly entering a situation with a armed person. In other words, he basically instigated a gun fight. Had he not had his weapon drawn when the BG turned around, that would have made the scenario different. Hmm...

My first thought was "bad shoot." Then I thought it over and came to the conclusion that once the BG turned around, it was a completely new situation. The initial situation had ended when the BG ran away, and a new one began when the BG gave up his attempt to flee and turned around on the victim. In that situation, the victim felt a reasonable fear of loss of life or bodily harm due to the BG having a weapon in his hand. In my mind, that justifies it as a "good shoot." I'd be interested in seeing what happened in this case.

Fella, I don't know you, and you don't know me. I am recognized by the United States Department of Veterans Affairs as a 100%, Permanently and Totally, Disabled Veteran. They are the only people whom I have to describe and defend my past experiences to, and no one else.

Thanks, but I don't get off on trinkets.

Good for you. You want a medal? Or do you just feel a need to brag? I told you before that I wasn't picking a fight with you, and that my comments were merely my opinion. My OPINION remains that no matter how you acted in combat in a armed conflict, it is no predictor of how you will react in another combat action in another armed conflict, be it military or civilian related. You are the one that wants to fight about it, not me. I'm not gonna have a contest about who has the most ink on their DD214 here. I have no need to.

Veterans be aware that the VA has such a database and they do records-share with other agencies. I think it was created about five years ago, but I have no idea how much prior to that the records actually go.

You're right. I'm just some kid who's wet behind the ears. Gosh...what was I thinking? I mean, you rode in tanks and APC's in Vietnam for heaven's sake. I could have never had any experiences that come even close to that. Wait till I tell the guys at mackall that our experiences didn't teach us anything. They'll be devastated! What a pogue...

Thank you for your service. I'm not picking a fight, but IMHO, you know how you DID react under fire. Same as me and several others here. I personally don't think any of us know how we would react the next time. Especially when it is a one on one situation that doesn't take place in a foreign land with a "known" enemy (don't confuse that with a "uniformed" enemy. The US hasn't had a prolonged fight with one of those since Korea).

My town actually does supply the officers with ammo, but few seem to take advantage of it. I go the range with a close friend who is a LEO on that dept, and he always uses dept ammo for not only his duty weapon, but also each of his personally owned weapons that he carries off-duty. Also, on the personal weapons, the dept requires each officer to qualify with off-duty personal weapons that the officer intends to carry. I wish they were all like that.

huge difference in humping through a rice paddy carrying a M-16 than walking down the street with a ccw. Same can be said for flying over the Mog, as in my case, or street patrolling in Baghdad, as in Muttling's case. It's easy(er) to function in that manner when surrounded by like-minded, armed young men, than when your wife and child is at your side. IMHO, of course.

maybe they need situational training in addition to range training. It's one thing to empty a magazine into X ring on a target. It's quite different to even draw and fire when under extreme duress. I think all LEO's should take part in "live fire" exercises regularly.

I followed the advice on here, and called today (three weeks yesterday, and the advice is call at 3-4 weeks). They told me it was still in processing and would take 90 days.

It's not a stereotype, fellas. It's fact. As I said before, my wife is a animal control officer, and has been one for about 15 years. Out of all the aggressive dogs that she has had to pick up, about eighty five percent were either pit bulls, or pit bull mixes. There were occasionally other breeds, even small dogs, but mostly pit bulls. The other breed that fits this category is a chow. The reason these dogs are always ok in the eyes of the owner, is because the owner rarely ever sees what the dog is capable of and will do when not around the owner, and either protecting it's property (which is understandable), or loose, and running at large. There are cases, such as one today, where the full blooded pit was actually a sweet dog, but you really never know. I will say that the only time she has been bitten was by a rottie. But it was blind, and she didn't know it. Her presence startled the dog and he reacted. It ended up being a sweet dog, too. It was just scared at that particular moment.

I agree with this. I was army myself, and had to have "additional training" due to the unit I served with. I know how I reacted the times that I had to actually put that training into practice, but there is no way to know how I would react if faced with a situation today. I am always situationally aware, and I preach it to my family. That is the best defense, if you ask me. If you can see the problem, you can alter the course before it even happens.

Glad your son and wife are ok, and no serious injury happened. I hope you got your son checked out by a doc. I was attaked by a dog a few years ago, but it was my own fault for wondering on its property while trying to do my job. My wife is a animal control officer, and we have seen this numerous times over the years. I will only guess at the breed, and I would be surprised if it wasn't one of the three that are on the tip of my tongue...

I'm in NE TN, too, and I have seen a few of these folks. I always tell them that there is a two-word phrase for them: future victim. My situation is very similar. I have loved guns all my life. My dad got me my first shotgun for Christmas when I was 12. I still have it (Winchester Model 37, single shot 12 gauge). I really loved being in the army, because I had access to nearly every weapon on the planet. But then I married a girl who was born in Flushing, Queens, and raised in Austin, TX. Guns were a big no-no to her, and I could not convince her to let me have any in the house. Something happened locally a few years ago, and I ended up buying a .380 to keep in the house, whether she liked it or not! Then, last November, she changed her mind! I was instructed to buy as many firearms as I pleased, and plenty of ammo. I was also instructed to teach her and our son how to shoot. I now have several handguns and long guns. She and I are BOTH waiting on our HCP's to arrive, and since Christmas is approaching, and our son is 12, there is a Stephens 20 gauge ready to be wrapped and put under the tree for him. We also joined the local rod and gun club so that we can go shooting whenever we want, 24/7/365. I have also taken her dad to the range, and he loved it so much that he went out and got his own .22LR to keep at his house in Austin! My mom has never been a anti, or a gun nut. Since dad was a trucker, and gone a lot, she has always kept a loaded Colt 1917 in the night stand, but never went shooting very much. Now she is asking me to take her to the range, and she wants me to take her looking for a smaller auto pistol that she can handle better than the full-size revolver. Moral of the story, don't let them affect your mind-set. Keep explaining the gun lifestyle to them, and eventually something will happen to change their minds.

GAS GAS GAS!!!

I'm with Rightwinger and General McAuliffe.

Airborne! All the Way!

That's a pretty little girl! I agree with others that they will sort themselves out in time. We owned a miniature dachshund in the past, and now we have a basset. We raised both from pups and the wiener was about 12 when we had to put her down. The basset is 6, and pure hound. You've got the two biggies down already; bloat and the ears. I can add baths to that list, because bassets STINK. If you are a fastidious person, one bath per week won't be enough to keep her smelling decent. You should also be prepared for a dog that will NOT listen to you...at least not until she is good and ready. They are smart as can be, but stubborn as hell. They can readily learn tricks, but they will choose when they want to perform them. Overall a great family dog, though. Hope you weren't looking for a watchdog...the only threat they pose to a potential home invader is a tripping hazard...lol