Fallguy

It says it is to have a picture of the item to prohibited....so a picture of a burning ciggartte does prohibit those, but not guns.

Granted...the piling on was done by others... It was started as Yippie for my side thing..... I'll figure it'll die out before long if some keep getting banned...I may not be too far behind... At least I do when I prod though....

Well trespassing is a misdemeanor as well. (Every violation of criminal law is either a misdemeanor or a felony) To be honest....I don't see the 39-17-1359 law being changed again anytime soon. TN has preemption (state law not allowing local law) as well. However the fact that 39-17-1359 is a misdemeanor means for a LEO to charge you the violation has to be commited in his presence. So if you were outside (assuming you were still around period) when they arrived it would have to be the property owner to actually charge you. Come to court and follow through on it. Not sure many are going to go through that trouble as long as leave when asked.

I mean carry past a legally binding sign. Granted that now the "circle and slash" is a legal posting...I'm sure there are more places that are legally posted. I still maintain that 99% of the places would just tell you to leave if you are made though. I'm not saying this isn't something to consider....I'm just saying I am only slightly more concerned that was I before June 4.

What I meant...just misspoke Yes, if the conviction is reported.... True.... Perhaps.... I don't think it was necesarrly under enforced till now though. I just don't think a lot of it is going on and/or for sure not being caught.

After looking at it and reading the discussions.... I agree that 39-17-1352(a)(6) says a HCP can be suspened or revoked for violating 39-17-1359 or any 39-17-13XX offense. I'm not sure that was the intention when it was passed, but that is the way it is. However I don't think very many things get back to the DOS that are supposed to as far as that goes. But it is something to remember...

They will send a notice. However it is usually closer to the expiration date than the 6 months that you can renew.

Some of the very reasons I don't inform without being asked...

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I don't think it is legal for seveal reasons... But nothing in the new law says the "circle and slash" symbol has to be read, only "plainy visable"

Yes there is more to get one than the other...my point is as far as saying who you are they are the same thing and come from the same place. When you a LEO checks you HCP status...it is done by actually checking your DL and there is just a seperate field for a HCP. There is not a seperate HCP database to check.

My understanding of things.... 1. You don't know...that is why no negative threads are allowed to start so you don't have to know where the line is. 2. There are warnings before a ban is issued.

LOL...true...as long as the rules are enforced fairly...the don't have to be fair themselves....

Funny thing is when you get right down to it, your DL and your HCP are not two independent forms of ID, since they have the same number and the info all comes from the same database.... But if everyone is happy...then so what...lol

You do have to change your address, but you don't necessarily have to get a new/duplicate HCP or DL. Some folks change their address online. Of course when you do that it does allow you to print a page saying that you did that as instruction to LEO's Workers at the DoS office have given out wrong info before...especially when it comes to HCP stuff. Now if by receipt you mean something that shows you changed your address, then yes you probably do need to keep that. The thing is most of us when here receipt think of the paper you get when you renew your HCP that shows you renewed...which also does need to be kept in case your old HCP expires before the new one comes in. (Which is what the worker may have been thinking about)

I didn't read every post...too many of them. Which in a way I find funny... One person got a temp pan for "pilling on"...and that really seems to be the only purpose for this thread...

I did mine about a year or so ago....don't remember how long it was, but don't think it was 6 months. The main thing is that it is changed in the state's database, not necessarily on the physical permit.

True enough.....

Works for me... ...and the effective date is/was June 4, 2010 (as seen at the bottom of Page 4) But you can get there the long way by going to.... Tennessee Department of State: Publications Click on Public Acts Search Then go to page 11 See Public Chapter 1009

Correct....that was not changed, just clarified. Well...and for me to clarify, your permit would not automatically be suspended. There is a catch all provision in 39-17-1352 about possessing a material likely hood of harm to the public. But IMO a single violation of 39-17-1359 would not rise to that level.

Thanks....but to just give proper credit...Worriedman was the first to post the Public Chapter number was issued and sent me a PM.

It has been posted in other threads...but here is what Public Chapter 1009 changes in the TCA -----Section 1------ 39-17-1305 - Repealed (The law that prohibited carry in places where alcohol was served) -----Section 2------ 39-17-1321 Possession of handgun while under influence — Penalty. (a) Notwithstanding whether a person has a permit issued pursuant to § 39-17-1315 or § 39-17-1351, it is an offense for a person to possess a handgun while under the influence of alcohol or any controlled substance. ( It is an offense for a person to possess a firearm if the person is both: (1) Within the confines of an establishment open to the public where liquor, wine or other alcoholic beverages, as defined in § 57-3-101(a)(1)(A), or beer, as defined in § 57-6-102(1), are served for consumption on the premises; and (2) Consuming any alcoholic beverage listed in subdivision (1) of this subsection ( . ©(1) A violation of this section is a Class A misdemeanor. (2) In addition to the punishment authorized by subdivision (1), if the violation is of subsection (a), occurs in an establishment described in subdivision ( (1), and the person has a handgun permit issued pursuant to § 39-17-1351, such permit shall be suspended in accordance with § 39-17-1352 for a period of three (3) years. ---------Section 3------ 39-17-1359 Prohibition at certain meetings — Posting notice. (a)(1) An individual, corporation, business entity or local, state or federal government entity or agent thereof is authorized to prohibit the possession of weapons by any person who is at a meeting conducted by, or on property owned, operated, or managed or under the control of the individual, corporation, business entity or government entity. (2) The prohibition in subdivision (1) shall apply to any person who is authorized to carry a firearm by authority of § 39-17-1351. ((1) Notice of the prohibition permitted by subsection (a) shall be accomplished by displaying one (1) or both of the notices described in subdivision (3) in prominent locations, including all entrances primarily used by persons entering the property, building, or portion of the property or building where weapon possession is prohibited. Either form of notice used shall be of a size that is plainly visible to the average person entering the building, property, or portion of the building or property, posted. (2) The notice required by this section shall be in English, but a duplicate notice may also be posted in any language used by patrons, customers or persons who frequent the place where weapon possession is prohibited. (3)(A) If a sign is used as the method of posting, it shall contain language substantially similar to the following: AS AUTHORIZED BY TCA § 39-17-1359, POSSESSION OF A WEAPON ON POSTED PROPERTY OR IN A POSTED BUILDING IS PROHIBITED AND IS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE. ( As used in this section, "language substantially similar to" means the sign contains language plainly stating that: (i) The property is posted under authority of Tennessee law; (ii) Weapons or firearms are prohibited on the property, in the building, or on the portion of the property or building that is posted; and (iii) Possessing a weapon in an area that has been posted is a criminal offense. © A building, property or a portion of a building or property, shall be considered properly posted in accordance with this section if one (1) or both of the following is displayed in prominent locations, including all entrances primarily used by persons entering the property, building, or portion of the property or building where weapon possession is prohibited: (i) The international circle and slash symbolizing the prohibition of the item within the circle; or (ii) The posting sign described in this subdivision (3). ©(1) It is an offense to possess a weapon in a building or on property that is properly posted in accordance with this section. (2) Possession of a weapon on posted property in violation of this section is a Class B misdemeanor punishable by fine only of five hundred dollars ($500). (d) Nothing in this section shall be construed to alter, reduce or eliminate any civil or criminal liability that a property owner or manager may have for injuries arising on their property. (e) The provisions of this section shall not apply to Title 70 regarding wildlife laws, rules and regulations. (f) This section shall not apply to the grounds of any public park, natural area, historic park, nature trail, campground, forest, greenway, waterway or other similar public place that is owned or operated by the state, a county, a municipality or instrumentality thereof. The carrying of firearms in those areas shall be governed by § 39-17-1311. -------------Section 4-------- Amended 39-17-1351 (HCP law) by adding language requiring the safety class included instruction on the effects of alcohol and drugs and TCA 39-17-1321 ------------Section 5---------- Removes 57-3-204(e) - This was the part of the law that required places that sold alcohol for off-site consumption to post a sign to saying that carry was illegal in such a place. (Had been legal in those places since 2000) -----------Section 6---------- Removes 57-4-203(k) This was the part of the law that required places that sold alcohol for onsite consumption to post a sign to saying that carry was illegal in such a place.

http://state.tn.us/sos/acts/106/pub/pc1009.pdf SB3012 has been issued a Public Chapter 1009 by the Secretary of State. It shows an effective date of June 4, 2010. Carry in good health!!! See this thread.... http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tennessee-politics-legislation/41227-restaurant-carry-official-public-chapter-1009-a.html

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http://state.tn.us/sos/acts/106/pub/pc1009.pdf SB3012 has been issued a Public Chapter 1009 by the Secretary of State. It shows an effective date of June 4, 2010. Carry in good health!!!