Fallguy

Which signs do you mean? If you mean "ghostbusters" signs, then Yes. If you mean the old signs that were required by the ABC laws...then no in fact if you look in the OP Sec 5 & Sec 6 of the bill removed the provision of the law requiring those signs to be posted.

I think we would all like to see business owners either not able to post or the posting not carry the weight of law. However for now the law not only allows them to post, but to make it a criminal offense to carry on "properly" posted property. Now many say they are not going to give their money to a place that post regardless of whether it is a legal posting or not....and that is fine. But, there may be times that you either don't have a choice on where you go to do business or in smaller areas there may not be another choice for the same type business. In those cases discussion on whether the sign posted would mean you are violating the owner's policy/wishes or violating the law is fairly relevant and IMO not at all juvenile.

There has been a case (TN v Clark) before the TN Appeals court....they said despite the wording of 39-17-1322 you can be "charged" because it does say convicted of. They admitted the overall wording of the statute was "strange"

It would seem that such a reenactment would fall under the "sanctioned ceremonial purposes" exception in 39-17-1311(a) and would have always been legal before changes to park carry anyway. However.....even if posted....Read 39-17-1311(d) Local governments banning weapons in parks only applies to those with a HCP per 39-17-1351 http://www.michie.com/tennessee/

Well it doesn't really say the picture has to be used alone or just with the proper wording....just that it can be used. So I still think that if it has "circle and slash" symbol it is a legal posting regardless of what (if any) wording it has. Just my

There is debate on that, but regardless, if it is not law now, it will be soon. So I think it would be better to have made a post that addresses the issue about the sign, since it is either relevant now or will be very, very soon.

Seems most of the signs designed to prohibit handguns actually says weapons instead. But I agree with jtluttrell that a knife that has a blade under 4" and is not a "switchblade" is not a weapon per TN law anyway.

Maybe you've heard of the recent law change...... http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tennessee-politics-legislation/40995-house-overrides-veto-sb3012.html The points being made here as to why it is not proper are good.... as far as a 100% legal opinion, that would have to be made by a judge or jury at trial. But I bet it wouldn't ever get that far, if somehow they found out you were carrying I bet they would just tell you to leave or probably even just to disarm.

Whoever you talked to didn't know what they were talking about. But it wouldn't be the first time a local (sometimes even state) employee didn't know what they were talking about. To go bit off topic for a second....I remember some of the people that worked at the SO when I did that may answer the phone...I can just imagine what they may tell someone from out of state on a question like that. But on the technical side...in this case Reciprocity would mean there is a written agreement between two states to honor each others permits. When permits were first being issued this was common and most times the only way stated did honor each others permits. However in recent years many states have chose to simply recognize (honor) another state's permit without a written agreement. Sort of like how TN now honors all other state's permits regardless. Below is a map from this thread... http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/firearms-law-faq/13408-reference-material-some-basic-questions.html You can also check handgunlaw.us for who honors whose permits and info on the laws in each state.

Well as far as the state's database of info...that's right they are the same thing. Some states don't even issue a separate carry permit they just put an endorsement or something on your DL. Imagine how much money the state could save if they did that here....of course based on some of the post here the shortage of tinfoil would be TREMENDOUS!!!

While the intention of the owner might be clear, there is no doubt now that a sign with the words "No Firearms Allowed" and nothing else and no international no symbol would not be a legal posting IMO. It does not contain that the property is posted per TN law as required in 39-17-1359((3)((i) or that possession is a criminal offense as required in 39-17-1359((3)((iii) and IMO it is iffy whether it meets 39-17-1359((3)((ii) that requires stating where possession is prohibited. But even if it does meet that requirement, it still doesn't meet the other two.

True....so if someone really wants to tell their friends to come steal your guns....all they need is your name and address that they can get off almost any ID you show them, but especially your DL

Which is why he gave them his HCP...since it is the same number.... If you use your DL how do you know the clerk isn't memorizing your address to tell his buddies to come steal your car?? I really like how the question is worded... "Do you flaunt your permit?" Instead of "Do you use your permit as ID?" Sort of skewed from the start isn't it? Reminds me of how antis ask poll questions about carry...

Also just to be clear, this not just restaurants, but all places that post per 39-17-1359. Posting for parks is covered under 39-17-1311....

Although it doesn't say "emergencies" I always thought that is what it meant. All I know shortly after this passed I locked my keys in my car and was told by the local PD they could not unlock it for me.

May have been....

Hmmm good point

Correct... I imagine they will change the map....didn't take 'em long to change it for TN

The map just says that restaurant carry is allowed in Missouri, just as you stated. Not that OC is allowed or that it is CC only. The method of carry in restaurants in the green states is the same as the state/local law. It is just that 4 states regulate the method of carry in restaurants (OC or CC only) and those states are denoted in the map.

The map is from opencarry.org, but it is for restaurant carry, not open carry. I think the only reason it makes a distinction on a few states on OC or CC only is that in general both are allowed in those states, but that you have to do one or the other in places that serve alcohol. If a state is CC only, then of course you could only CC in a restaurant in that state. However one note on AL...those permits are issued by the local sheriff who can, and some do, impose restrictions on the permit. Among those restrictions can be no carry where alcohol is served. Now this does not apply to non-AL residents as there is no state law that prohibits it, but if you a AL resident, you AL permit could have that restriction.

I don't know for sure...but I don't think the idea behind the suit is that those who carry are dangerous per se...in other words it is not necessarily dangerous to work in a place where people can carry. But that it is dangerous to work in a place where people can carry and those people have ready access to alcohol....and that if these armed people consume (whether it's against the law or not) that then there is a danger. Now I agree they can just go elsewhere to work, I'm just saying I don't think the suit is just about guns in the workplace...but about workplaces where alcohol is. But as far as that goes...there are some states that allow consumption while armed and haven't heard of any prevailing law suits in those states....so really don't think this is going to go too far.....or at least I hope not.

Well legally speaking TN is not allowing carry in bars, as there are not bars in TN, but I know what you're asking... There may be an easier way, but if you have the time, you can go to handgunlaw.us and they link to each states' laws and you can check them for yourself to see if there are exemptions only for restaurant or no prohibition period, like in TN. To be honest...I like the complete repeal of 39-17-1305, not so much because of allowing carry in "bars" but allowing it in other places that aren't bars or restaurants, but serve. Below is a map of states with Restaurant carry according to opencarry.org Didn't take them long to add TN...

Maybe, but no reason to start another thread....

Start here to look up TN laws... http://www.michie.com/tennessee 39-14-701 deals with "Burglary tools" not necessarily lock picks. If someone just used a screwdriver to break into a place, they could be charged with this if they still have the screwdriver. The Public Chapter you posted can be found under Title 62, Chapter 11 of the link I posted. Just a note too 62-11-113 says it law enforcement agencies are not supposed to offer locksmithing services (unlock your car door) whether they charge or not. I knew a locksmith when this was first being discussed, he was upset that LE agencies where basically taking customers from him by doing something for free that he charged for.....guess they had a good lobby... Now to be honest I remember the bill being discussed last night, but I don't remember the bill number or what happened with it...

Yep....could be wrong, but I think this is a last gasp effort...and just trying to keep it in the media a bit longer.....