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Well I know of a few people from my home town who are in jail because they had 1-2 plants growing on their property. Not selling personal use. As I said in my post you quoted, people that want to use it either have to grow it or subject themselves to drug dealers. Many people choose to grow a plant or two themselves. Getting caught with 1 plant will land you in jail in most places regardless of intent. There are people all over the country in similar situations as the people I know of locally. For the record, accusing someone of making wildly untrue and ridiculous statements, when in fact they are true doesn't help your argument

I understand what you are saying also, but there are grown adults in jail right now whose only crime was trying to get weed. You either need to grow it yourself (which will get you in major trouble) of subject yourself to dealing with dangerous drug dealers

I think the reason that happens is the pro legalization people are trying to get people to look at it objectionably. We already have one of the most dangerous drugs not only legal but celebrated. It is ironic and a little hypocritical to be ok with one and not the other. Alcohol is involved in most violent crimes. The conversation turns to it because it is a natural comparison. The problem is most anti legalization people become fluster with the debate when they are asked to explain why they get to be drug users (alcohol) or a very dangerous drug but yet do not believe others should be. Most violent crimes involve alcohol It is selfish and hypocrital to drink alcohol and say other drugs should not be legal.

I am sorry are you saying alcohol doesn't cause people to rob, cheat, rape, vandalize and murder? I hope I am misreading your statement and that isn't what you are implying An estimated 23,200 murdered in U.S. last year Newsweek - Of all murders, alcohol was involved in at least 34% of cases. Rape - More than 1/2 of rapists had been drinking. Child abuse - mothers convicted are 3 times more likely to be alcoholics - fathers 10 times more likely. Suicide - Up to 36% of victims were drinking just before. Prodigy Services Co. - Heavy drinking is involved in 60% of violent crimes, 30% of suicides, and 80% of fire and drowning accident One half of all traffic accidents are alcohol related. U.S.A. Today The suicide rate of alcoholics is 30 times that of the general population. AFA journal - Alcohol related crashes kills someone in the U.S. every 22 minutes. At any minute, one of 50 drivers on the road is drunk and every weekend night, one out of 10 is drunk. According to the Center for Disease Control in Atlanta, there are 105,000 alcohol related deaths annually due to drunken drivers and alcohol related injuries and diseases. AFA journal Times Weed is not good for you and has problems, but not to the extend alcohol does. Alcohol has removed more than its fair share of freedoms and liberties

My first handgun was a 949 that my dad game me. It was the first hand gun he bought with his own money sometimes in the mid 60s. It is still going strong. It has had a lot of rounds put through it. The DA trigger is bad, but it is a good accurate well made gun. It is not as well made as a Single Six, but much better than a rohm

It is all in good fun enjoy your beer. It is nice to live in a country that allows it. I am tapping out of this thread to. The weekend is here and it is time to argue football. My beloved Miss. State bulldogs are off this week but I get to watch Bama pound Ole Miss. HAIL STATE

I take back what I said earlier, THAT is the biggest stretch I have every read on the Internet. It won't effect your carry anymore than alcohol already does for several reasons. Pot had a different smell than tobacco. Just because a restaurant has a smoking section doesn't mean you can some pot in it. The pot smoke would be regulated just like alcohol. If you state alows carry where alcohol is served then you can carry where pot is served. A restaurant is not going to allow smoking pot but no alcohol sales. If they did it would be no different than a restaurant allowing alcohol but not smoking. Police are not going to pull over everytime they see someone smoking a cig, they don't have the time. If they come on contact with you they will know within 10 feet if you are smoking tobacco or marijuana. They will not test anyone who is smoking tobacco. You realize it is extremely easy to tell the difference in tobacco and weed from several feet off don't you? I take it you you tobacco. (i do myself) How do you feel about the push to ban smoking everywhere? There has been some talk about even banning it in your car because some people feel second hand smoke is so bad? Why does someone who believes in gun rights like you do feel that a person who chooses to smoke weed should not be allowed to? The anti pot crowd parralels the anti gun crowd in many areas. It is fueled by public perception. A lot of the people against legalizing pot actually have not done much actually research on the subject just like most people anti gun just do not know much about guns

What have I stated as fact that is Woolley booger? Can you back up your claims against me? You also say in one breath that gang bangers will just find another way to make money so legalizing drugs won't effect them. Yet when they kill someone in a deal gone bad it is the drugs fault. The drug is what killed them. So by your reasoning if you took the drugs from the gang bangers you would see less gang deaths because it is the drug killing them. The products they shift their attention to will be less leathal so we will see less deaths right? I didn't think gambling was fatal, but your logic states if a organized crime bookie kills someone over a gambling debt was gambling that killed them

It want effect it at all? What are you trying to ask. You cannot learn new laws and penalties? It would be treated the same way?

You can't say 10 people were killed over pot deals gone bad but nobody killed over alcohol deals and expect it to be the pot killed them. The fact that you can buy alcohol legally and cannot pot is the most important part of that equation The point of my first sentence is you cannot say pot us a gateway drug and discount alcohol. Â 99.9% of the hard drug users that started with pot, tried alcohol first And for the propel that think it is impossible and dreamland to think it will be legal. 17 states and DC already have legal medical marijuana. Our brothe next door Arkansas has it on the ballot right now. That is a huge shift in public perception and social acceptability.

Every one of the people that started with pot started with alcohol before then. You views on pot are way off the mark. What you are failing to recognize is that the drug deals that kill people are because of the money. The violence is over money. You are so concerned with crime, but disregard the fact that most gun crimes involve alcohol

Your proving yourself wrong. No one was killed over beer because beer is legal. Do you think those killings would have happened if they could have gone into store and bought it? You said yourself they were killed over drug DEALS. The pot didn't kill them. If beer was illegal you would have plenty of people killed over alcohol DEALS. You want find another reasonable person in America that will blame the Martin case on Pot. The is the biggest stretch I have read on hear and that is saying a lot How would legalizing pot have anything to do with your gun rights. How does someone so concerned with civil liberties want to regulate pot. The gun rights question doesn't make any sense

No offense Dave but I re-read you link and have to do a little You realize the difference in marijuana, alcohol, illegal drugs, and prescription painkillers right. Most gangs get their money from illegal drugs sells (like pot, crack,) not pain pills. The link does nothing to prove anything. I stated from the beginning that alcohol kills far more than pot. That was the only mention of deaths made. We have also talked about gangs. Help me understand what point you are trying to make

Yeah, what exactly that prove. Alcohol still kills 100,000 a year pot zero. Your link talks about prescription drugs. Completely it irrelevant to gangs selling drugs. Explain how that shoots a hole in anything?

Well said. It will not make it go away but to say it will not have an impact is curious. Also take into consideration that most criminals get caught because they do something stupid. Selling pot and drugs have been the staple of current organized crime for a long time. They have become really good at it. Having them scrambling to find a new revenue stream will open them up to more mistakes and should help put more of them behind bars

.Anyone have any personal experience with the Rock Island 1911 in .22lr (XT22)? I believe it is a true steel 1911 in .22lr. Curious to know how it compares with a a true 1911 (takedown, interenals, ect). Is it ammo picky? good build quality? Ect? Thanks

<br />You are taking everything to the extreme and over complicating it. I would never tell a business owner what they can do. They have the oppurtunity to choose to treat it the same way if they want to. Can a employer tell you you are not allowed to drink off the job? You are a drug user that found a boss ok with you using alcohol off the job. The same can be said for drug users that smoke pot. Your argument that you cannot legalize pot because of piss test is very strange. I was intending to point out an employer has the right to keep someone employed even if they smoke pot.

Double post

Great points and good post

correct, if they committed another crime along with possession you stay in

Not doing something because it is hard is not the way to go IMH0. Keeping prisoners in jail solely because you don't want to go thru the red tape to free they is also not the way to go. It had been done in other countries and we are currently allowing people to use it legally in some states, so I think we could figure it out

I guess I needed to be more specific and spell it out. We should let out non violent marijuana users out of prison. Never meant to imply legalizing theft. Your other argument about the piss test is easily solved by not firing someone who doesn't break the law

I do apologize if I misunderstood you. Before you have you beer tell me what the baby and bath water reference means I have never heard that one And I do see benefits to society. The biggest getting non violent drug offenders out of our over crowded jails. I also see a benifit to a small percentage of alcoholics. How many i dont know but enough to justify it. And lastly making drug dealers and gang bangers job more difficult

I agree about utopia and said so in the post. Maybe I misunderstood you and I apologize if I did, I thought you were against legalzation of pot I stated my reasons, as a safer alternative to alcohol And what doesn't fly with me are people that flip the legality of them saying one should be and one shouldn't be. It is not based on solid logic. The 2 should be treated the same. That is my main point. In fairy land all is illegal, but that is not going to happen, so both should be legal