Marswolf

You guys can come over to Oak Ridge on the 20th, or Kingsport on November 17th. I'm sure you middle Tennessee guys will still be planning when to meet at that time.

Might as well start a topic for the November get-together. Looks like November 17th in Kingsport?

There was some good news on the ABC news tonight. Atlanta may run completely out of water next year. Of course I'm sure that is a white conspiracy.

:wall::wall::wall: I've been feeling that way for much of the day.

I suggest instead that you read Debates In The Federal Convention of 1787 by James Madison.

I found this photo. I won't say which of our members the second one from the right reminds me of.

There is no mechanism provided in the Constitution for people to breath and eat, but they can legally do so. The Constitution is the list of what the central government may do. It may do nothing legitimately which is not specifically allowed by the document. That was James Madison's understanding. I agree with him.

I don't want to know what you are grabbing with the pliers....

The point is precisely that there is no word in the Constitution about a state deciding to leave the Union. If there is no word in the document that says the central government may prevent secession, then it is allowed by definition (of what a constitution is). I'm less concerned with VT loons than TN, NC and SC ones. But enough of this. I suspect the DC case will be decided very specifically to DC with few implications for the states. If it is decided more broadly, I have a feeling I may not like the ruling based on the "living document."

And both are correct. In my experience, sometimes Kel-Tecs have a problem. If you take the time to send them back to the factory, they generally come back really nice. Most of the complaints I've seen are from people who would rather complain about their "cheap gun" than get the gun fixed for free. But Walthers have a long history of problems too and some of them, like the problems some PPKs have with dissimilar metals in the same gun can not be easily fixed. You can have a problem in any gun brand. You certainly have more problems with a Kel-Tec than a H&K, but I wouldn't trust my life to any gun that hadn't been broken in and with which I didn't have a fair amount of experience.

Well, both secession and DC have to do with what the Constitution says - or doesn't say. My view is that a state may secede because nothing in the Constitution says it can't and DC can't prevent gun ownership because nothing in the constitution says that the central government or a non-state may do that. The secession thingy is just a mental exercise. It's a dead issue except for a few flakes. The DC case has very real ramifications.

So the DC gun law case should have been settled on the basis of prior precedent from the other circuits rather than what the Constitution says?

Yeah, but a lot of us old folks also think we have all the answers and that younger people are all airheads. While that is generally true ......... sometime the world changes and the oldsters don't keep track of it.

The Kel-Tec has questionable reliability? I might wonder about a Walther....

Not necessarily. You can put cuffs on someone without arresting them while you are checking out the situation. Don't you watch Cops? Bad boy, bad boy........

Maybe and maybe not. You will if convicted of a felony, but not a misdemeanor. BUT...there is a provision to suspend or revoke your permit if you pose "a material likelihood of risk of harm to the public". That sounds pretty unspecific to me.

Well, you got me there.

That's from the .32s ricocheting off of the aluminum.

Madison agrees with me.

Class A misdemeanor

Sorry Rabbi, but your inability to understand doesn't somehow magically make you right. I don't have time to debate nonsense.

Rabbi, there is no citation. Constitutions don't work that way. The government is supposed to only be able to do that which is specifically permitted in the Constitution. If it doesn't say states may not withdraw from the Union then they may legitimately do so. For some interesting reading, I suggest you study the state ratification documents. That's one reason I think the Bill of Rights really confused what should be a simple issue of the right to bear arms. That could get into a long-winded discussion of correspondence between Madison and Jefferson. Think I'll pass on that.

This was taken on a day when I was in business attire. Had some time, so I headed up to the range, took off my shirt and tie and pulled my AK out of the trunk. What? You don't carry a trunk full of guns everywhere you go? Disc 2 of Pirates of the Caribbean had the software to modify the picture. Makes me look half human instead of my normal skeletal self.

I wander into this topic with a lot of trepidation. I really don't have time to type in responses for the next couple of weeks. But I do know a lot about this matter and some of the current players in the neo-secessionist movement. Nothing in the Constitution prevents secession. In fact, it if had a non-secession clause, the 1787 document would have never been ratified. A number of states specifically reserved the right to secede in their ratification proceedings. The "late unpleasantness" forced the states back into the union, but the Constitution was never changed to make secession unconstitutional. So much for the legalities. Now, I don't know about the Vermont folks, but do know a lot about the League of the South. For many years I was in a group called Sons of Confederate Veterans. Basically a group of Confederate descendants who think their ancestors had every right to secede. In 2000, the group passed a resolution condemning the KKK. But some radicals in the group, and some in groups like the KKK and Aryan Nations, thought there should be a current secession movement. League of the South is not affiliated with these hate groups, but doesn't go out of its way to keep racist members out of the group either. So, it isn't a hate group, but is happy to rub elbows with folks who are racists. But neo-secessionism is idiotic. These people need a life. In short, these guys are a bunch of flakes. Note that I said that I used to be in the SCV. A radical element took over that group and last I heard, they still had legal council with ties to the KKK and Aryan Nations. I value my good name and I quit. The group still has a lot of good people, but I don't want to be a member of a group that knowingly hires people like that.

I made a file of all of the TCA gun stuff as a HTML page I keep saved on my computer. Makes it easy to search.