dawgdoc

I have a feeling they are going to do the same thing in the mid-season finale--have a bunch of people die (probably Alexandrians) and have one major character get injured in such a way that survival seems slim, but not actually show their death.   I don't know how far ahead they have to edit, but maybe they will use this episode to gauge the reaction they might get in case they need to change some things.   So the rule of thumb on TWD:  if you are bit, you die (unless you can pull a Hershel); if you die of other means, they have to show or reference the brain being destroyed or else you re-animate.  So from now on, we can't really believe anyone's death unless it graphically shows a Walker bite or brain damage.  We will all be wondering if they are pulling a fast one rather than focusing on the actual dramatic tension within the show.  I can't think of any other scene where it was unclear if a person really died.  The only other misdirected "deaths" I remember were the cannibal that Tyrese failed to kill and Judith's empty carrier.

  Maybe the indiscriminate killing by humans?  At the very least it could explain less snakes seen around populated areas.

Totally agree. They had enough time in the episode to show him surviving; I think they are going to get a lot of flack. It's not like they were in a ratings slump or needed a "who shot J.R.?" moment. They will be known as the little boy who cried wolf, and people will stop believing cliffhanger deaths. I'll still keep watching, though.

The plethora of snakes in North America have helped prevent plague and famine throughout history. Take away the snakes and watch the rodent population explode.

Possibly a Northern Water Snake. It is highly variable in its pattern, both on its dorsal and ventral surfaces. It can vary from a very distinct pattern to vague banding that looks like almost a solid color. Thus an individual specimen may not match the picture shown in guides. It also has keeled scales.

The scales look sharply keeled, which you don't see in corn and rat snakes.

At first glance it looks like some type of water snake, but it doesn't match one species exactly.  

How about this theory for Glen's survival:  It was Nicholas on top of Glen being ripped apart; Glen pulls himself under the dumpster, which appears to be the case based on the video I saw, and then he hoists himself up into the dumpster through a rusted out hole, much like Rick at the tank.  The radio communication between Glen and Rick in this episode echoes the conversation they had while Rick was in the tank; maybe it was a clue as to how Glen survives.   It could explain how he managed to survive after the Walkers finished eating Nicholas.

I now think they are going to show him sliding under the dumpster based on a blurry video that shows his head disappearing under there and the fact that Steven has been shooting scenes with as yet unseen characters. He was even seen filming in the same alley again. I still don't think it would be believable he would unbit, and they didn't really need to fake a death. If he crawls out, they could have put that scene at the end of the episode instead of weeks later.

It takes two weeks for the your bidy to generate immunity. If you get infected with the flu anywhere from 4 days prior to the vaccination to 10 days later, people will think either the vaccine didn't work or the vaccine gave them the flu. Can the vaccine cause you to feel sick as your immune system responds? Yes, but it is rarely as bad as the flu itself. If a person gets full-blown flu soon after the vaccine, it means that they should have been vaccinated sooner, not that the vaccine gave them the flu.

  I thought that was the dialogue from the doctor's son on top of an unrelated scene of Glen.  They can cut between scenes fast in the previews and make you think someone is saying something else, especially if the words are close.  Like "Bad Lip Reading" without the comedy.

Apparently Steven Yeun has been seen filming several episodes past this one. If he survived, I hope they have a really detailed, visual explanation of how he did it. In both the comics and the show, they had a scene in which Tyrese is apparently overwhelmed by Walkers but is not bit. Of couse, he wasn't on the ground.

When I re-watched the episode, I noticed that it opened focused solely on Glen, even though they were all running, and if Glen is dead, then his last words to Rick mirrored the first time they talked via radio.  Nicholas and Glen wore very similar clothes so we can't use the visible portion of shirt as the body was torn open to know for sure to whom it belonged.   It didn't look like there was enough room under that dumpster to me, so if he survives, it would be more unbelievable than the living dead.  Now, if he got bit multiple times but got away, and he was going to die anyway, I might could suspend by belief a little.  Even if Nicholas's body was directly on top of him, there is no realistic way, short of a miracle, that he did not get bit +/- eaten.  In that last overhead scene, presumably Nicholas was directly on top of him because all the Walkers were centered on one narrow area.   Also, on my way back from the Gulf, I drove through the town where they filmed these scenes on the last episode.

One thing that is not consistent on the show is how much a Walker eats.  Whenever there are multiple Walkers eating a victim, then you would think that there would be little to no remains (other than a skeleton) left.  Yet we see half-eaten Walkers all the time, usually lying on the ground because they are immobile, mostly.

Producer's statement seems coy; as if the Talking Dead did not list Glen as death because he may be in flashbacks or funeral scene.   Glen is like John Snow right now.

Even if suicide guy's body was lying on top of Glen, I don't see how he could survive (at the very least he would be bitten, you would think).

Based on the biology evident in the show, only saliva contaminating a wound appears to be toxic.  I think they have shown several people with open wounds getting splattered without no ill effects.   Anyone noticed that they put the actual death scene in the previews from last week?  I thought that they were going to be hiding in the dumpster.   Also, based on what happened to Lori and possibly T-Dog, there really shouldn't be any identifiable remains, except his gun and radio, maybe.

Since this episode happened in real time, I wonder if the next one will also? The horn didn't last too long; what happens when all those Walkers are no longer drawn in one direction? They start milling about and focus on the humans trying to get through the woods.

  Yeah, they showed the Wolf looking at the pictures sometime at the end of last season.  It could explain why they never bothered the Alexandria Safe Zone until now; maybe they simply did not know it existed.  The sense of distance is fuzzy on the show, so it is not clear how far away each of the scenes with Wolves were from the neighborhood.   As for a pseudoscientific explanation of the rules of infection, I have modified my theory that I have posted before.  On both FTWD and the Flight 462 episodes, they have hinted that the initial Walker germ infection produced respiratory symptoms in some people, and possibly killed those people with those symptoms.  Obviously at some point in the recent past of this alternate Earth, no one was infected because the dead never rose.  Then, all of a sudden, over a period of days to maybe 1 month, everyone in the world is infected with an unknown agent (virus, bacteria, protozoa, nanite, etc.) that reanimates the corpse after death.  Specifically via the brain.     It would make sense that such an agent would spread or be delivered by the respiratory route, and that some of the people who inhaled it either have a reaction or their immune systems kick into high gear, which manifests as flu-like symptoms.   The Walker bites are deadly not because of the agent itself, but because of either a toxin or the horrible bacteria found in their mouths (akin to a Komodo dragon's saliva).  So Walker bites are just another cause of death, but not the cause of the re-animation disease.  Hence why being covered in Walker blood and guts, even in wounds and your mouth, is not fatal.   Obviously, this doesn't explain the biological process of moving dead tissue without the normal chemical reactions and such, but it is a start.  I consider it "comic-book" logic worthy (as in, don't think any deeper than the surface or you find lots of holes).

  Yes he was the one at the campfire and got locked in the car; that is why he commented that Morgan didn't seem able to kill a man (or something to that effect).

    Maybe they filmed things in a different sequence along with editing out a scene of him putting a gun on his hip.  It would make more sense for him to have had at least one gun during the Walker parade, though.  He might have reservations about killing people, but he doesn't mind killing Walkers, and a handgun would be necessary back up for his staff.  I can't remember if I saw a sidearm on him in the previous episode, but it was obvious in this episode, especially after his reaction to Carol.  I kept expecting him to draw it on the Wolf, to tell the truth.   Here is the source of my cognitve disconnect about the size of the Alexandria Safe Zone:  https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=zD38FaCAJQek.k_FDpSYzC2wI&hl=en_US   When you put "Alexandria Safe Zone" in the search, you see that it is pretty small area, were it to be actually invaded.  You can't quite get that feeling from the amc Alexandria tour.

Forgot about the timer. I'm going to assume there just weren't as many potential victims because many were gone. Also, they must have being going house to house, which took some time. Since I know how big the actual neighborhood is, it may be affecting my view. On the show, they could be implying it is bigger. I think they use just a couple of model homes to film different interior scenes for multiple houses.

It looks like next week will be Rick's group trying to get back home.  They could have intercut the two stories; some would say they would interrupt the action, but at some points tonight I was thinking that either the Wolves were running out of victims because so many people were gone, or the time was being artificially lengthened.  It just seems that the raid would have been over quicker.  Although it does not seem like the Wolves are employing much logic in their attack.  Apparently part of their weird cultish beliefs is to make Walker torsos for some reason because they were taking their time cutting up the bodies.

Even my son's school has changed from lock down in the class rooms to "run, hide, or fight."  Not that they provide any effective means of fighting back, but they have changed the security plan so that it is no longer just "hide and die."

The SIP plan sounds like fish in a barrel, unless the lock truly keeps out the shooter.  What happens if the shooter has a can of gas?  Could he cause worse mayhem if everyone was confined to one area?  The only problems I see with leaving by your exit is the possibility of a sniper outside.  I think one of the school shootings involved pulling a fire alarm and the killer(s) sniped from a hill as everyone evacuated.  The only other problem is that the goal of a lock down is to lock out an intruder, but I assume that in most cases the intruder has already intruded.