E4 No More

Yeah, I forgot about the EMP. It'll get'cha every time. Thanks everyone.

No quarter should be given to anyone who exposes young children in this manner. She should be fired.

Too bad they don't make them for us tall guys.

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Whether I know a gun is unloaded or not, I never point one at someone that I don't intend to shoot if they don't stop what they're doing, and I demand the same thing from others. I don't care where I'm at, or what they think they know, if someone's pointing a gun at me I politely and firmly tell them to point the gun elsewhere. I don't plan on becoming the recipient of the "I didn't know it was loaded!" story via inaction on my part.

I'm 48, over 6'3", and around 300 lbs. I like the Smart Carry holster. I wear a lot of warm-up pants and shorts with elastic waistbands, and this holster allows me to carry completely concealed with easy access. My carry is a S&W M&P 9mm sub-compact, but they make them for even 1911's. I've worn this holster comfortably for up to 10 hours. The only drawback to it is having to move it to the side when I piss.

I was thinking of speed, but since there's unanimous advice against them I'll pass. Thanks! So what is the best handgun safe that can be placed on the nightstand, and where's the best place to get it?

Haven't you all heard? It's not the length of the barrel, but the diameter that does the trick.

I saw a biometric gunsafe at On-Target in Murfreesboro, and it got me thinking that it's a good idea: however, I've noticed that On-Target is pretty proud of everything they sale. I don't mind paying for quality, but that doesn't mean that I like to take it up the a$$ either. So I'm looking for recommendations as to which biometric gunsafe to get, and where to get it from. I want the handgun size that I can have on the night stand. Comments?

I about spewed water when I read the latter statement! I'm hoping that the majority of leadership understands that people can patronize an establishment without drinking alcohol. If an incident occurs, the authorities can test for blood alcohol content easy enough. But to state the obvious, common sense is something most politicians don't possess.

Personally, I'm protecting "me and my own", and let the chips fall where they may. If I get sued, then I get sued. I was just debating because it's the way I learn, and I want to know what to expect out of my actions before I pull the trigger. I was a police officer in Missouri before such laws as this existed, but I know how laws are twisted by wording. I also know how legislators go back and forth at each other about the wording...sometimes with the attempt to appear to be on one side or the other. This portion of the law clearly states that it is contingent on the findings of the court. A prosecutor will not waste taxpayer's money and his/her time taking a justifiable homicide case in front of a judge just to rule the way he/she expects the judge to rule just to spare you or me a civil trial. So if his judgement is, (as I expect), not considered a finding of the court, then this law just appears to protect you. I know dang well that it's also not going to protect you in a federal civil suit, but that's another debate. So what I'd like to know is...in Tennessee, is the prosecutor's inaction the same as a finding of the court? I want to know for academic purposes. Edit: For the giggles of it, I've sent an email to my state representative for an answer. I'll post if I get a reply.

I took the class last August.

One last thing: Is a prosecutor chosing not to prosecute considered the same thing in this state as a ruling of a justifiable homicide from a jury or judge? I ask because prosecutors don't always pursue a case that they think they'll lose, and if their judgement isn't the same as a ruling, then the above wouldn't apply, would it?

Thanks for that. It's nice to know you get BS information from your "experienced" HCP instructor.

Please don't take this wrong, (my LEO service was in Missouri), but considering my very experienced HCP trainer was adamant that you would be sued even after a righteous shoot, would you please give your source? I've been looking through the statutes, and I cannot find anything saying you were exempted from a civil suit. I am no lawyer, but it is my understanding that Castle Law is from Common Law, and the latter is superceded by Statutory law.

Do you mean like OJ? Yes, that's extreme, but the only time I was sued as an LEO was when I didn't do what I was accused of, and there were 3rd party witnesses who testified that I didn't do what I was accused of.

39-17-1307. Unlawful carrying or possession of a weapon. — (a) (1) A person commits an offense who carries with the intent to go armed a firearm, a knife with a blade length exceeding four inches (4²), or a club.

It was my understanding that Naifey (SP?) was behind driving the change while the Democrats had power. I understood that he was blocking changes that would allow carry in restaurants that served alcohol, and wanted to stop issuing permits.

I do not follow state politics, but I'm hoping that some of you guys/gals do to give an educated guess as to the future. When I took my HCP class in August, the instructor stated that there were concerns of many that the Democrat-controlled state government was going to do away with the permits or restrict them severely, so there was a run on permits before January 1st. Now that the elections are over, power has transferred to the Republicans in Tennessee. What changes can we expect for the HCP's? Will we be allowed to carry into restaurants? Any other changes?

I have not been stopped yet, but as a former LEO I would want to know immediately that I'm dealing with a legal carrier. My policy is to hand them my permit with my driver's license that I got out of my wallet before they exited their patrol car.

I carry my 9mm M&P sub-compact with one in the pipe at all times. The same would be for my .45 M&P if I carried it concealed. Since the 9mm has no safety, I'm especially mindful of that fact when holstering or drawing.

I'm an ex-LEO from 15 years ago in Missouri, and I do not pretend that Tennessee law is familiar to me. So with that qualifying statement, (both good and bad), what I will say is that to kick the door in requires breaking the plane and thus entry: however, you are much better off to shoot only if it's the last resort unless you have the money to defend your actions in ANY court. You are much better off, (financially), to scare them off with things like racking the shotgun. If you do shoot, make sure you are deadly accurate so that the BG isn't able to come up with some fantasy BS explanation that will create any doubt in a jury's mind during a civil trial.

I'd say it was good judgement.

It seems to me that their pat answer to any inquiries is that it was approved yesterday, and should be received within 7-14 days. That's what I was just told, and I put in for mine at the first of September.

I took mine from Ronnie at On Target in Murfreesboro. I felt like a H.S. graduate sitting in a kindergarden class, but I understand it was necessary because there were people there without prior training at all.