DaveTN

I went. The turnout looked pretty good and there were a lot of vendors. It was hot in that building. I went with a list of stuff to buy but I couldn’t find any deals on anything I needed. I couldn’t even find any deals on stuff I didn’t need. Guess I’ll be placing a MidWayUSA order today.

What do you want to hear man? Have you not read what I have posted? Do you want to hear me say that I would treat someone that is as close to me as my brother the same way I would treat you? Do you want to hear me say that I would stick it to him over a minor traffic ticket? Let me repeat this one more time….. Not in this lifetime. I thoroughly understand that does not set well with you. If you want to questions my morals or Professional standards, if you think this makes me a criminal or the next logical step for a cop that would do this is manufacturing evidence or lying in court; so be it. Maybe I’m slow and I’m not getting your point… what is it? Same discretion for everyone? Fill me in on how that would work. <O:p</O:p

That’s exactly the M&P I want (only in black). I’m hoping someday someone will want to trade one for a .40.

Wow…. It’s amazing how you can get that much information about how I feel. I don’t feel that I’m being attacked personally by anyone; how about we keep it that way? <O:p</O:p I’ve been having some fun with this thread that’s all. By my remarks being smart azz I’ll assume you mean the remark about ticking my mom? It wasn’t meant to be smart azz it was meant to show how ridiculous it is to say that any infractions involving cops should require a ticket. <O:p</O:p This isn’t worth getting upset about. Cops have discretion on writing tickets. The last thing you as a citizen want to see is that discretion taken away. </O:p

If one state or one city passes laws that violate the Constitution, and nothing is done to remedy the problem… no one has that right.

Sure some people are going to get the wrong idea. Some will jump from a minor traffic offense to murder. That’s like saying that because we (the public) all drive with total disregard for the speed limits we would commit Burglary. <O:p</O:p There are bad cops, there are very bad cops. Why do you think I have offered my experiences of what to say and do to survive a traffic stop? I know cops that if you get in a pizzing match with them; you will go to jail and it will cost you thousands of dollars. I hope you never have to meet one, and I hope our discussions here will help you to realize what to say and do before it’s too late. It’s not right and it’s not fair; it’s life. <O:p</O:p But cops that don’t write minor traffic tickets to the guys they work with are not in that group. <O:p</O:p

It is worse for them and they are held to a higher standard. A cop at any department that I know of would be fired for DUI. Most employers wouldn’t fire you for DUI and many can’t fire you for DUI; they have to send you to drug and alcohol abuse counseling. <O:p</O:p I would have been arrested and fired if I had lied in a Grand Jury hearing. Apparently cops are held to higher standards than even the president. </O:p

So if you brother Cool Hand Bob is a cop and I stop you for speeding and say “â€Aren’t you cool Hand Bobs brother Luke?â€, give you your license back and say “slow it down and have a nice day.â€. You going to get out and stomp your feet and demand that I write you a ticket? Appear to who? That’s why I called on that website. Cops don’t go around bragging that they got stopped by a fellow Officer; they keep their mouths shut if it happens. They are BS stories man… Cops are arrested everyday for serious offenses; it’s on the news here all the time. Cops could write cops tickets all day long and nothing would change. Some people are resentful of anyone with any kind of authority whether it be a cop or their boss on the job; that will never change.

No I don’t. My job is pretty easy compared to being a cop. My department did not then nor do they now issue warnings tickets; you get a ticket or you get a warning. I did not suggest that a “flash of the badge†would cause me to give someone a break. The people I said that I would not write a ticket on a minor infraction to I would recognize….. Especially my Mom. </O:p

No one cares if they are only going after crack users and pot users. (Except of course the crack and pot users than are going to have their homes seized ) Unless of course someone has the idea that they can use this law to seize the assets of the old people that board buses in Nashville for the trip to Canada to buy their prescription drugs because they can’t afford them here. I have not read the law about the taxes; could it be applied to our elderly, many of whom have to decide between food and their prescription meds? It is my understanding that these are illegal drugs.

Handgun carry permit.

Absolutely. Name the states on your map that recognize the 2<SUP>nd</SUP> amendment as an individual right. No it dosen't The Federal Courts have ruled that it protects the states and does not apply to you. The only authority left is the SCOTUS and up until know have refused to hear those cases; leaving them up to the Federal Districts. Therefore it is not a right for anyone in any state. That piece of paper that you so proudly claim gives you some right is nothing more than a privilege that you are renting from the state of <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:State>Tennessee.</st1:State> A state that does not recognize the 2<SUP>nd</SUP> amendment as an individual right anymore than <st1:State>California</st1:State> or <st1:State><ST1:pIllinois</st1:State>. </O:p

Okay… you are probly right. Using the discretion given to you under state law will probably lead to violating peoples rights and then on to murder. (See how ridiculous than sounds when you read it?) <O:p</O:p I don’t think I can be accused of lying to myself or anyone else. I'm being bluntly honest; the fact that you don’t agree doesn’t make it a lie. <O:p</O:p Hey... don’t think I’m getting pizzed off and don’t get pizzed off at me. This forum is seriously lacking in LEO’s. I have not seen anyone other than me that has posted that they are or were a full time Police Officer that works the streets. Maybe I missed them or maybe they just don’t want to voice an opinion. How interesting would these threads be if all the cop haters just posted their BS stories without someone to calling …. And Mark I'm not saying you are a cop hater; but there are plenty here that are more than willing to slam the cops after hearing one side of a story or just not having a clue of what they are talking about.

Nope, didn’t imply that at all. I just wondered if some of those that are so critical of law enforcement were in any kind of occupation where they may have to make those types of decisions. <O:p</O:p What I’m saying openly is that if you were a Police Officer and you stopped an Officer that you work with on a simple speeding violation; they is no way on God’s green earth you would write him a ticket. I’m not saying cops are above the law (has nothing to do with it) and I guess my professional standards are seriously lacking but to suggest that you would write a cop you work with for a minor infraction is ridiculous. <O:p</O:p Your running radar and your Mom blows through at 15 over. You going write her also? GMAFB. <O:p</O:p

Yes really. Roll your eyes all you want, but don’t post up a map that shows states that will sell you firearms privileges and claim it has anything to do with the 2<SUP>nd</SUP> amendment. The title of this thread was the 2A does not exist in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:State>California</st1:State>.

Mike, you give them more credit that I do. I don’t think its political correctness; I think it is just pure laziness. <O:p</O:p Remember when we were in school if someone got in a fight? The teachers or the dean had the monumental task of deciding who the instigator was and who the victim was. <O:p</O:p Not anymore… just create a zero tolerance on fighting in school. No muss, no fuss, no questioning or investigating, no parents to deal with; just refer to you policy and expel the victim right along with the offender.

You know… the gun haters could not hope for a better battle plan than a bunch of pro-gun citizens hanging their right to carry firearms on the 2<SUP>nd</SUP> amendment. They don’t have to do anything but sit back and watch..... and laugh. <O:p</O:p Oh wait…. That’s what’s happening right now.

What is your job?

look at the posts above. Just for the record I wouldn't write my Mom a ticket either.

Sorry Rudy… when you are running for pres you don’t get to play that card. <O:p</O:p

They are going after this guy hard. I want to hear the story of how him, the weapons and the cops all to came to be in the same place at the same time. <O:p</O:p You can’t own handguns in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City>Chicago</st1:City> and now they are trying to outlaw all .50 cal rifles statewide. Barrack Obama wants to outlaw all semi-auto firearms; only he wants to do it for the whole country. <O:p</O:p But I don’t think you face 5 years in Federal prison for it. </O:p

My Police Officer Friends maneuvered with me in pursuits over 100 <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:stockticker>MPH</st1:stockticker>, they had my back on family fights, man with a gun calls and traffic stops, their response time could be the deciding factor of whether I lived or died on an Officer needs assistance call. Now… I know this won’t be very popular but would I write one of those guys on a simple speeding charge? Not in this life time. <O:p</O:p That didn’t apply to other cops that I didn’t know though. <O:p</O:p

A Cops writing Cops website…. Give me a break; you guys can’t be falling for those stories…can you? It sure does happen but those guys writing those stories aren’t cops. They are cop haters getting exactly the reaction they want. <O:p</O:p I read the first story and I can say that if a cop called me to ask why I wrote his wife a ticket I would surely tell him. But if he told me he expected a break because he was a cop; he would have been embarrassed and had his feelings hurt, especially if anyone was around to hear it. <O:p</O:p But it works both ways… I gave citizens breaks all the time…. everyday. I’ll be dammed though if someone was going to tell me I’m required to write a ticket to someone because they are a cop or they are related to a cop. <O:p</O:p A real cop would also know that it wouldn’t do any good to talk to his PBA rep; they have noting to do with stuff like that. <O:p</O:p

I have another legal question about Tennessee. I’m pretty sure there are no lawyers here but I’ll post it anyway. What legal weight does a State Attorney General opinion carry? Does it mean that a Sheriff or the Chief of Metro can’t say that they don’t agree with opinion and are going to arrest people that carry openly?

I wouldn’t open carry, but I’m pretty sure I could survive a stop without going to jail. If you talk with them reasonably and don’t cop an attitude about rights you don’t have; all may end well. The guy makes it sound like the deputies were respectful of him and said the request came from the Sheriff. If I was upset enough about it to start writing letters to the paper; I think I would have first went to the Sheriff and ask to talk with him. I’m curious as to what he has to say about this.