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First off, a couple of questions:
I want to carry IWB.
1) I'm assuming that "pancake" means there is equal amount of material on both sides of the sidearm, or that the stitching is made along the center line of the sidearm rather than the sidearm protruding to one side or the other.
2) Do you really need a thumb break or retention release device to secure your sidearm in the holster?
1. A Pancake is generally an OWB holster not an IWB.
2. Depends on your personal preference and experience. I wouldn’t carry without a thumb break. But it is for the same reason I want a magazine disconnect; I have seen good guys and bad guys of all experience levels lose control of a weapon on the street.
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Anyone have experience with a Versa Max 2?
Only what I have read. They are probably the most highly rated IWB holster made. But I don’t know if it’s because they are that good or if it’s because they are twice the price of everything else and it takes a few months to get one. I emailed them about a VM2 with a thumb break, but the price was just silly.
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There was an instance that happened a couple of years ago when a cashier at a near by gas station called the police because a citizen was walking around with a gun strapped to his side (open carry with permit.) Even though I personally do not open carry for practical and sensible reasons, the armed citizen was well within his legal right to do so. The officer who arrived on the scene gave the guy the 3rd degree. It was apparent that the officer thought that open carry was illegal within the state of Tennessee. I had to set him strait on that and told him to call to check up on it. It never got out of hand because there was no power struggle. It was all professional and respectful. BUT,....I could tell that the officer was a little humiliated due to his own ignorance of the law. Citizens as well law enforcement need to be fully aware of their God given rights as well as the specifics on the laws which with the knowledge of could one day be beneficial.
Don’t blame the cops blame your legislators. It took a written opinion (No. 05-154) from the Tennessee Attorney general on 10-11-2005 to clarify the open carry issue.
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Dave, I don't advocate resistance to an officer in a LEGAL questioning..but I know of at least 1 case where an officer of the law (this happened in jacksonville, fla) arrested a man (who at the time was walking to the bank from his home with a 50,000 dollar deposit (he owned several zippy mart type stores). the officer stopped, arrested, hogtied and then killed the man.
the officer now rots in a state prison, but that man is just as dead.
And my point is that whether or not it is legal will be determined by a Judge later; not on the street. You have absolutely no right to refuse a Police Officers order to surrender your weapon; but he has every right to order you to do so. Refusal to do so can not end well.
I don’t know what you are suggesting the man in the case you described should have done. It doesn’t sound to me like he had much of a chance.
I don’t mean to make anyone mad but are these very basic things not covered in carry classes in this state? What do you guys do in these classes…. sleep?
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Things happen fast. If a Police Officer wants you disarmed he will not hold a probable cause hearing.
Don’t do something stupid that could destroy your future or even take your life.
I didn’t read the linked threads, but to answer the originally question… No, it is not legal to resist a civil rights violation. Because until a Judge or Jury rules; there is no civil rights violation. It’s just resisting arrest and you will go to jail.
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I agree, and I think that one of the biggest and best provisions of this bill is where they give immunity to the victim from civil prosecution...thats a huge win no matter what!
remember before the law was signed, you could be found innocent in criminal court, but the bad guys' relatives could still sue you in civil court.
Maybe I’m reading the law wrong, but I disagree. This legislation provides for immunity from civil liability not civil prosecution; if.. “ the court finds that the person's use of force was justified.”
If you are charged criminally and found not guilty; a civil court Judge might dismiss a civil suit. But if you aren’t charged criminally (which most people won’t be in a good shooting) I’m guessing the bad guy or his family can still sue you. You will have to hire a lawyer and defend yourself.
As I said earlier and also about the Florida legislation this is far short of “You can’t be sued” legislation. This merely offers you an opportunity to get a judgment to recover your costs. IMHO this is a step in the right direction but it is surely nothing to get excited about.
Maybe someone can get John Harris to clarify this.
This bill provides immunity from civil liability for a person who uses lawful force in defense of self, others, or property except when the force is used against a law enforcement officer acting in an official capacity who identified himself or when the person using the force knew or should have known that the person against whom force was used was a law enforcement officer.
The court would award reasonable attorney's fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by a person in defense of any civil action brought against the person based upon that person's use of force if the court finds that the person's use of force was justified.
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also one of those things you hate to ask them, might be better to plead stupidity, rather than to ask for forgiveness
The opinions of only three people matter here… the Police Officer that will respond if a call is made concerning your situation, the prosecutor for your county if you are arrested, and your boss (if you like your job).
If you are a citizen transporting a firearm it is your duty to be clear on what is legal. If you are a carry permit holder there is no excuse for you not being crystal clear on where your permit allows you to leave or posses a firearm. You need to ask. If I was unclear on this I would go to the HQ of the department that would send the responding Officers and ask a Command Officer.
As a former Police Officer I can assure you “I did not know that†is not a good defense.
I can also assure you what will fly in one county may get you thrown in jail in another county.
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In my opinion this legislation does not mean that you can’t be sued. It only has provisions for you to recover costs if the court so finds. If you shoot a bad guy and the States Attorney feels the shooting was justified and decides not to charge you criminally; I don’t think that is a ruling that the shooting was justified.
The dirt bags family can sue you and you will have to pay for your defense in civil court. If the civil court rules that you were justified they can order the person bringing the suit to pay your fees and costs. Anyone ever tried to collect a civil judgment from a dirt bag?
Just like the Florida law; this stops short of doing the right thing. This should be black or white. If you are not charged criminally, you should not be able to be charged civilly for shooting a person that is committing a crime against you. As I read this; that is not the case.
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John Harris of the TFA has spoken about his own concerns regarding this new law. He too was worried about some of the open ended language used, and having read it myself now, I am also. This introduces several slippery slopes that did not exist under the previous law.
This looks like something the DA would hang you with if you were carrying where you weren't supposed to (restaurant that serves beer, for example) and you had to use deadly force against someone who came in and started shooting the place up.
It was my understanding that there was formerly a provision in the law that said a person in this situation wouldn't be convicted of carrying illegally if the shooting was deemed to be justifiable self defense. If that were the case, it would see that this law undoes that provision. Even if it were not the case, this law certainly gives the DA rope with which to hang you in that situation.
Did the prior law put their stamp of approval on you carrying illegally if the shooting was justified? I don’t know; my common sense tells me that probably isn’t the case.
The unlawful activity language is used in most deadly force laws I have seen. It keeps the criminal from claiming any rights or protection. You can’t bog down good legislation because someone committing a criminal act my get in the way.
As responsible gun owners or carry permit holders we have a responsibility to follow the letter of the law; there are way to many people waiting for mistakes to be made so they can use them to get rid of or further limit carry laws.
If the prosecutor wants to charge you for committing a crime that you knowingly committed; that is not only his privilege but his responsibility.
If you are knowingly violating your carry privilege by carrying in a restaurant that serves liquor; you have made the decision that carrying in that situation is more important to you than your carry permit. Regardless of what we think the anti-gun people will put pressure on the Prosecutor to charge you and have your permit revoked.
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I had one for a 1911 many years ago. Unless you use it on a Glock you probably won’t shoot yourself but you have zero gun retention. With the things I have seen, I won’t even buy holsters that don’t have a thumb break.
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I can get my hands on a Japanese 7.62 for a really good price!
Since you don’t know what it is I’m assuming by “really good price†you mean it’s a $100 rifle?
If it is an Arisaka Type 99 rechambered from 7.7mm to 30-06; that is not a great deal. If it is a .308 Weatherby Vanguard (Howa of Japan) it’s not a bad deal; it’s $375 new.
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Smith and Wesson M&P 9c.
I agree, that’s what I was thinking as I read your post. Check out the M&P. It comes in 9mm, .40 S&W, or .357 Sig.
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Another vote for leather.
I don't own a firearm that I would put in Kydex.
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I use these....
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Contact Mike Patterson at The Saddle Shop in College Grove.
http://www.saddleshop.bizland.com/
If you email him a link he will let you know what the total would be picked up at his place. His email is mpatter2@bellsouth.net
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Reloaded carry ammo isn't wise for a number of reasons. Do a search.
I agree….. Absolutely people should research what they are going top carry. They should research what people have to say, who they are, and why they are saying what they are saying.
And I am absolutely amazed at some of the statements in this thread. But they won’t cost me my life, and hopefully the forum members will do their research before it costs them their life or the life of a family member.
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I hope to be buying an AR soon. I am absolutely sure that I want 7.62. (AR-10)
What do you guys have?
What’s the story on Bushmaster pulling the 7.62 line?
Looks like my choices are DPMS, Rock River, and ArmaLite. Any others? I have absolutely no interest in building my own at this time.
A guy I work with is going to buy one also. He kind of a tight wad so I’m sure he’ll be getting a .223. But he asked me about the difference in cost for ammo.
Are there any local sources for bulk (1000 rounds) of .308 or .223 range ammo?
I read something about Wal-Mart carrying .223 in WWB; what does that cost? Do they make .308 in WWB? I get Lake City 30-06 pretty cheap but they don’t carry .223 or .308.
On a totally different subject… does anyone know of a good local source for .30 carbine ammo?
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Thanks guys.
And for those of you that want Garand’s… CMP is saying they will have more this year, rumor is September. You will never buy them for less than you will get them for from CMP. When they are no longer available from CMP the price will really shoot up.
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Dave,
You'd be suprised how many good police officers are out there that actually believe in the constitution.
I think that if it ever came down to cases, there would be quite a few police officers that would uphold the constitution instead of following the left leaning socialist agenda that would remove our right to keep an bear arms.
I don’t think I would be surprised; I was a Police Officer. I believed in the entire Constitution; I didn’t pick and choose the parts that I agreed with. I also swore a duty to uphold the laws of my state; again not just the ones I agreed with. A cop that does that is a hypocrite.
If a Police Officer cannot in good faith enforce the laws that he has sworn to uphold then he needs to work towards getting those laws changed or he needs to get out. I got out.
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I am a Toolmaker and have worked in either the machine trades or law enforcement all my life. As I get closer to retirement (still a long way off) I have been thinking about doing custom gun work at home. The drawback is an FFL. If shipments have to go through a local FFL; it becomes price prohibitive in most cases.
It is my understanding that the ATF has cracked down on FFL holders and that they have to be actively selling firearms to keep their licenses. I wonder how gun smiths that just do custom work and don’t sell firearms get around that?
It is also my understanding that prior to issuing a license the ATF now checks with your city to see if the city requires some special zoning to have a business in your home. I have no idea if that is true or not I just remember reading it somewhere. Does anyone know if that is the case with Murfreesboro?
TIA,
Dave
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Sounds like you had a great time.
If I can get a couple more spare mags for the M&P 40 fullsize and two dual-mag holders for it, I'll switch to using that gun as soon as I can. I think I'd do a little better with it.Am I understanding this correctly; you think you can shoot better with your M&P than with your SW1911?
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It's not enforced here either but I think that's sort of a function of both everyone being willing to look the other way and a matter of who is there to police the police? One police officer and I engaged in a friendly discussion about this on another forum and he was fairly obstinate about the fact that my understanding of the law was incorrect and that he is legally allowed to carry in such places -- even off duty.
I have no idea what the law is but why would carry laws even pertain to cops; on or off duty?
But as I've been told by a few lawyers, if you want to know about the law, you don't ask a cop. You ask an attorney.I’m sure they would say that….
Where I was cop we had more training in criminal law than attorneys; unless the Attorney’s specialty was criminal law.
If you want to know if you will be arrested for something the very best person you can ask is the person that will be responding to the call; that’s the cops. If you want to know if you will be charged and convicted, ask a lawyer in your States Attorneys Office.
Law is not black and white. Especially when you start talking about law like the use of deadly force. Different Counties will charge crimes differently. Different Judges will interpret the law differently. Knowing what the Prosecutors and the Judges will do is one of the things that separates the high dollar attorneys from the bottom feeders.
When you guys go to a carry class who answers your questions about the use of deadly force? Do they have someone from the States Attorneys office there or is it the instructor?
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Went down to CMP in Alabama yesterday and picked up my M1 Carbine.
Made by General Motors (Inland) January 1944.
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I have been there, but never bought anything from them; what did they do you didn’t like?
I have bought about 10 firearms in last couple of years and the Franklin Gun Shop and Mike’s Saddle Shop was the only two that acted like they wanted my business. Everywhere else I have been they either acted like they could care less or made me laugh when they gave me a price.
There must be something I am missing because I think opening a gun store/range would be a great opportunity in this area.