Chucktshoes

No third party will ever have a chance of winning if they never get your vote in the first place. Voting for a Republican or a Democrat at this point only reinforces the status quo and helps ensure that we do not change course. If you like the direction this country is moving, keep voting for the two major parties cause they are both leading is down the tubes.

I understood all of his points, and I can grasp the reality is that a D or an R is going to win the election barring some major shift in the thinking of the public at large. It still doesn't mean I can bring myself to vote for a shitbag like Romney just because he isn't Obama. I didn't see much of a difference between them then and I don't now. I mentioned that there are a few libertarian Republicans I could actually see myself voting for, but just a very few. You stand more libertarian, but can settle with and accept some of the Republicans, I get that. For me, the Libertarian Party is the group I can settle with and accept. Even they are more authoritarian statist than I would like.

I think the real disconnect occurs with the fact that we bring different presuppositional worldviews to the table. You, and most folks in general, view American politics through a Democrat vs Republican lens. I and others like me view it through a libertarian vs authoritarian lens with both the Republican and Democrats firmly in the authoritarian camp. I look at the choice between a Democrat and a Republican as a choice between feeding the republic hemlock and ricin. It is dead either way.

Dave, I don't vote to get to claim I was on the winning side, I vote FOR someone because I support enough of their positions and have at least a little faith that they will actually work to achieve them. I will no longer cast a vote for a candidate I don't like or believe in because "at least he isn't the other guy". That's a losing proposition no matter how you look at it.

Sorry but in this case, the enemy of my enemy is also my enemy. There are only a handful of Republicans I could in good conscience vote for and they all come from the wacko bird conference. If the Republicans stick with the establishment types, they will lose the folks like me again next time and every time. I won't speak for anyone else but I think most Republicans really don't understand how little credibility they have on the position of shrinking the government. Every election cycle they talk about it, but every budget or spending bill rapes the taxpayers or the taxes payers' children even more than the last one. My dislike and distrust of the Republican Party is to the point where sometimes it would seem that a Democrat would be a better choice under the premise that "it is better to have an honest enemy than a false friend". I dislike knives in my back and the Republican Party hasn't done anything other than stab the taxpayers in the back for many decades Edited to add: I thought a vote WAS a political statement? Plus, if the job is shrinking the government, the Republicans have more than 5 decades of track record showing they are not up to getting that particular job done, or even started.

I am seeing a lot of the mindset the article references displayed here. The thought that the libertarian vote would belong to Republicans or conservatives if not for a third party candidate is just plain wrong. As a general rule libertarians and republicans don't agree on social issues. Where we do agree is on the stated fiscal positions of the Republicans like shrinking the size of government. The big problem is that the Republicans don't have any credibility when it comes to shrinking the size of government. Y'all talk a good game then expand it every chance you get, yes that includes Saint Ronnie Raygun. So why should we vote for a Republican if we have any other option at all?

If you ever find yourself in need of a professional hooker disposal service, I have some folks I can refer you to. ;)

http://reason.com/blog/2013/11/02/virginia-governors-race-can-cuccinelli-b   Great article about the VA governor's race in general but it also does a very good job at explaining how the idea that the "libertarian/green party candidate cost the republican/democrat candidate the election" is total crap.   I especially like this bit where he makes the point that for all their talk about small government, the Republicans never deliver on that promise.    

Touching upon an earlier discussion about minor party candidates only being listed as "independent" on TN ballots, the TNLP won a federal case and the election commission's rules were tossed out as a violation of the candidates' and voters' 1A rights. http://benswann.com/exclusive-libertarians-win-historical-lawsuit-against-election-committee/

If some innocent bystanders got shot that would be a terrible thing but all I am seeing that some TSA agents got shot so I am having an extremely hard time giving a damn.

Send me a PM with your kindle email and I will happily loan you the kindle version.

...And State Sen. Brian Kelsey gave her a gift. :lol: :lol: :lol: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/01/tennessee-state-senator-presents-kathleen-sebelius-with-really-embarrassing-gift-and-she-doesnt-look-very-happy-about-it/

I hope I am wrong too and would gladly apologize if ever given a straight answer on the subject. Until then I am only left with my suspicions. Suspicions confirmed. I won't be giving that apology.

I understand the concern and would share it with you if I didn't have serious doubts about the veracity of that listing. When asked what form of LE he worked in, the question has always been met with vague answers & evasiveness.

Republicans are red, Democrats are blue Neither one Gives a fuck About you!

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Six of one...

Why's that baby gotta be white? Huh?

Ehhh....I guess you could read them out of order, but it will have a great impact in understanding what is going on. It really is best to read them in order.   -----------------------------------   This is the last night. Get the 3rd book free while you can!

Here's where I get decidedly UN-PC. As a white male I am advantaged, but not how the grievance industry attempts to make it sound. My entire life I was told that I was going to succeed or fail on my own merits, by my own actions. I never had anybody telling me that I was disadvantaged by "X" or that the system was set up against me. That put me in the advantaged place of not having anyone or anything to blame for my own shortcomings. I have to own them. I do ok, but I could have been much more successful in life many ways. The reason I'm not is due to my own poor decisions. I know that and I own it. Many folks have spent their whole lives being told that they are disadvantaged due to skin color or gender and so when they fail, they have an easy target to blame for their troubles never having to look inward and make a true assessment of their strengths and weaknesses. That is how they are really disadvantaged they have someone to blame other than themselves.

UPDATE:   Reports are that Sheriff Nick Finch has been found not guilty and has bee reinstated by Gov. Rick Scott. http://www.wtxl.com/news/local/jury-finds-liberty-co-sheriff-nick-finch-not-guilty/article_26546cb2-4249-11e3-a874-0019bb30f31a.html

http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2013/10/end-of-an-era-last-us-lead-smelter-to-close-in-december.aspx   Something to take note of from the NRA ILA press release on this subject. Pay special attention to the portion in bold.    Who was President back then?

I'd imagine it might as occasionally I am one of those knuckle draggers behind the counter. :lol: I'm not a authorized to speak on behalf of the shop and wouldn't anyways as anyone who has been around this place long enough remembers threads where that happens. Sorry folks, I won't turn this into one of those epic threads. I am curious as to the source of your dissatisfaction with the shop. I won't disagree with the knitting circle analogy as I find it pretty apt. Just curious what about our knitting circle rubs you the wrong way. 

O'rly?