Worriedman

Do they actually enforce the 51% Law in OK? (It is not in TN) Do they count beer as an alcoholic beverage in OK? (The ABC does not in TN) Does the ABC serve at the pleasure of the Governor, or do they enforce the Law in OK? (The TN ABC serves only at the pleasure of the Governor, and if the Governor bows to the liqueur lobby, so does the ABC). The ABC has been sunsetted by the Legislature, things may well be really different shortly. If you want to hear Rayburn really squall, hang around.

Can you provide proof of any of the fines being levied, or collected? I have a good friend who works in the ABC enforcement division, and there have been no "audits" in at least 4 years, and only a few in the 3 years before that. I find no record of any fines being collected over this.

If it goes forward, i.e. not vetoed, you will not. Had it been vetoed, it would have been splashed above the fold, front page....

He would have had to cock it if that was the plan, the hammer was down.

From her time in college, piece of the article: Full article.

IF he has the veto presented in his absence, it would just be to pose as a petty, backhanded swipe at the supporters. I am hoping rather, that he has given up on being an obstructionist to the implementation of the inevitability. Plus, if he did veto, he forces some "Conservative" Democrats to chose whether to vote for the override, or just let it slide into oblivion, not raising the issue again. Political expediency would probably speak to him just letting it go, as he knows what the final outcome is going to be. Less damage to the Democrats. By not declaring ahead of deadline, he gets to mess with us just a little longer, and that is all he can really do.

I guess he could have affixed his veto, dated it, and handed it to an underling to submit in his absence on the last day?

The first question put to McWherter at his appearance at the West TN TFA meeting was "Do you support gun registration?" His answer was "Yes, how else can you track guns for crime?" He told us his new pistol was registered. When asked about the Tennessee Firearms Freedom Act, he told us the BATF had already declared it Unconstitutional. Asked if he would sign a new Carry in Restaurant Carry Bill, he said he would have to see the specifics, which is fair, but his second comment was that he did not support carry in "bars". He supported the Obama Health Care Bill prior to it's passage. He also said he was sure Wal-Mart did not allow HCP carry. Favored Local Opt-Out for Parks Carry.

The most effect currency to affect this whole situation is votes. I have been of the opinion my whole life that the spoils go the one who works the hardest, and thinks. In the last Presidential election, We all saw what a glib, smooth tongued individual can accomplish with enough labor behind the effort, and some thought applied. In high school, living in a little one horse town in West TN, the boys I ran with made our minds up to spend the time outside of what the coach required, to do the extra work needed to excel. When it got hot, and you got tired, the leaders of the group picked, prodded and pushed the rest to stay on task. When other kids were laying out at the pool, we were lifting weights and watching films. (During the summer, that was after working a full day in the family business, which happened to be concrete) It paid off, we went 12-0 and took the State Championship. To the day I die I have that memory, and no regrets for having laid down and quit. The broken bones, blisters and pulled muscles gave every reason to give up and say "I can't". I did not then, and I can not now. Make your own choice, talk to Legislators, hunting groups, Tea Party meetings, lead by example, or stay on the porch and moan about how cruel the world treats you. Can't never did a thing.

I would suspect from the demographics I have seen, that the average HCP holder is older, and has family. So that one individual may effect numerous individuals, and most of them will have money to spend. If you just figure one person to go with each HCP holder, that is nearly 600,000 people. I do not care what percentage of the population that is, most holders are of an age to get out and spend money, and that amount of people, united, will make a big difference. In my case, the local Pub/eatery that was a favorite hangout and lunch spot for my firm, lost 10-15 lunches a week, a lot of cold beer sales in the afternoon, plus the client meetings that we took to Outback, which here did not post. If one choses not to get involved and advocate, to not speak to other hunters and shooters, just not do a thing, to sit and accept the situation as an "Oh well", then we deserve what we get.

If and when you notice new ones going up, politely inquire of the management. Make sure you let them know you will help spread the word of their choice to limit Constitutional Rights.

At which point, if we are wise enough to ride the wave of discontent, we vote with our dollars, or lack thereof.

I for one am fairly pleased with what we wound up with in an election year. I get to carry if the place is not posted. We get to vote with our feet if the places we want to go post. Makes no difference what kind of sign it is, if they intend to post, we can go there or not. I already have talked one place that posted here last year into changing their minds relative to the new law. We just stopped going in, have not been back, and it hurt their business. The place got sold and the new owners checked their take for the months prior to, and after the posting, and have decided to take their sign down. Reasonable conversation and calm negotiations seem to work. Places that post just do not want my money, I can live with that. Suits about the vagueness of the sign portion of the law are possible if need be, good chance to win that, so I will take the deal at the moment. Plus, passage of the current bill pisses Rayburn off, and that is a plus in my book. A big issue that everybody is glossing over is the sunset of the ABC, that is big, and gives some leverage over all this. Stay tuned.

Check most every set of Municipal Codes in the State, and you will find this, normally under Chapter 11.604. It is in every Standard set of codes as offered by the MTAS. We had it struck from the Jackson City Code this spring. Ours was more heinous, as it contained a 15 day waiting period for any firearms purchase or transfer, a requirement that the Chief Law Enforcement Officer had to give permission for a handgun purchase in Madison County, or a private transfer, along with the requirement of a background check for either. It normally has been on the books since prior to 1986, so some try to say that State Preemption does not apply. We had a Council Member that was headed to trying to enforce all this mess. I remember I got trashed pretty hard here for thinking it needed to be headed off. But that is OK, we got it off the books in Madison County.

The vessel with the pestle has the pellet with the poison, the chalice from the palace has the brew that is true. One of the best movie scenes ever!

For some reason the old song, "If you could read my mind Luv, what a tale my thoughts would tell" jumped into my head.

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You will never hear that put forth. That the Law as passed is Constitutional makes not one bit of difference to him. The Legislature, being responsive to the People, have for two years attempted to put this into force simply has no bearing on Bredesn's thought process. We, the tax paying public, have no say in the matter, we are not Progressive, enlightened souls. Tennessee red necks do not know what is best for us.

I know you are glad the son is home. I too would like to add my gratitude for his service to our country!

Shamelessly stolen, but worth the time to watch I think. Would that I could be as effective a spokesman! Louisiana Gun

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