Fallguy

Yep

Oh so true....

It's a good thing those guys that threw the tea overboard in Boston didn't say, "There's nothing we can do about it." isn't, it? Just saying... I'm sure there were a fair share of folk that said, "Just pay the tax, it's that simple." Although I know both situations may not rise to the same level of government oppression, they do have similarities and thought I'd give a little more food for thought.

Let's keep Vendor realted discussions in the Vendor area. Thread Closed

So far everything seems about the same. On the old server I got e-mail from subscribed threads, but not post in a social group thread. Not sure about the new server as it appears no post have been made in any of the ones I'm in lately. I have noticed at the top of the "The Ready Room" forum.

LOL...well one rule is, it doesn't have to be CC.

It is a start, but it unfortunately it only has to do with when criminal acts are reasonably foreseeable, not all the time.

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There is somewhat conflicting info on Opencarry.org There WI page http://opencarry.org/wi.html says it is an OC state and has preemption, but their map says there is no preemption.

I admit I could be wrong, but I still believe a civilian can carry a baton if they have the training. I mean "any person" would seem to me to mean any person, not just LEOs, Security Guards etc... I understand if you are a security guard and either the training you receive or the policies of the company you work for only allow you to carry while you at work. They paid for the training, they issued you the baton, they don't want to be responsible for you when you are not on their time. But their policy is not the same as the law. Also I understand few if, any, instructors will teach baton to private citizens but there is nothing in the law or ASP polices that prevent it. (Of course there are other brands of batons as well.) AFAIK there is no time limit or expiration date on the training so it seems to be valid from now on as long as you have received it and have the certificate. So I am sure their are at least a few former LEOs, Security guards, etc.. that had the training, have the certificate, but no longer work in that capacity. In fact at one time there was an instructor on here that was going to offer baton classes to TGO members.

I sent a e-mail to the US Forestry Service via their website asking what their policy was. I mentioned the rule change for National Parks and Wildlife Areas, I'll post any response I get. Also according to their website the suggest you contact the specific area about their rules and regulations. http://www.lbl.org/RULESGeneral.html Number 5 for LBL says firearms and other weapons are prohibited except for hunting during set hunt dates.

Went back to playing Crazy Cuve at www.arcadeimpact.com (Level 19 is very tricky....) Congrats on the smooth move...

Came in at 11:00pm last night and will not leave till 7:00am Saturday. Also worked last Christmas and have checked the schedule next year and work it also. But July 4 is in the middle of one my long weekends off at least.

The rule change actually only affects National Parks and Wildlife Areas, not National Forest

Not sure if this is it or not. 62-35-118

Unless you have permit. Permits no good in IL

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Watch the videos of him on Jerry springer as well.....

Congrats.. ...and along with what DAS said, in TN it is Handgun Carry Permit (HCP)

DaveTN, I totally agree that places that allow carry should be completely immune from the actions of a HCP holder using deadly force in their business. However to go along with that I would also like to see (in order of preference) Do away with 39-17-1359 signs. or If a place post a 39-17-1359 sign, that it not carry the weight or law. or That if a place post a 39-17-1359 sign that carries the weight of law that it is easier for them to be liable if something happens to a HCP holder that was not allowed to carry.

Well I agree that if you start getting too many weapons on ya, it approaches mall ninja level. But might be nice to carry it in places that are off-limits to firearms. I did some digging a while back and found my ASP certificate from a while back when I used to work at the Sheriff's Dept. I have thought about scanning it and reducing it to a wallet size card.

I believe that is incorrect. (a)(8) talks about security guards, but (a)(9) clearly says "any person" that has a certificate of training. I contacted ASP directly once and they replied that although their training was geared for LEOs and other related persons, they did not prevent their instructors from training private citizens and it was up to the instructors discretion.

I was addressing the post two above me not the one immediately above me and was talking about if the law changed and we were allowed to carry in a place that serves alcohol, but a restaurant chose to post a sign under 39-17-1359. If restaurants weren't off limits by statute but posted a 39-17-1359 sign, then why would they have more liability if something happened to a HCP holder that could not carry than any other business that posted a 39-17-1359 sign? I believe that was he was talking about in this post anyway.

I don't think open or concealed is the problem they have (if any), it's just carry period. But the AG has already said a property owner can regulate the manner of carry on their property. So even if the law changed to allow carry, the restaurant owner could restrict it to concealed only if they wanted to.