Fallguy

When and if body armor is as comfortable as an undershirt I may consider it.  Until then it's just and odds of needing thing vs hassle factor.  My odds of needing body armor or even my handgun are fairly low, but the hassle of carrying is not very much and as of now the hassle of wearing armor is pretty high.   For those saying "Why go where you need armor?"...I ask "Why go where you need a firearm?"

  LOL, got ya.   I don't guess I've ever had a "confrontational" encounter with a LEO myself. Just remain calm and respectful.     However I used to dispatch and have rode along and have seen a few less than pleasant interactions....lets just say there are some looking for a confrontation on both sides.

  Anyone, including LEOs, can express their opinion.  But it just that, an opinion, and not the law, even if it comes from a LEO.

Sounds like the classic "He wasn't guilty of what we originally went after him for, so we've got to come up with something else to charge him with"   Also seems to me another prime example of why not to do any paperwork on private party transfers.

              My response was to the post by mikegideon. Meaning the police DO NOT get to decide if you can OC or not.  I think it was obvious to most that I meant as long as you were lawfully carrying a LEO can not lawfully tell you to CC instead of OC.   As far as being stopped and asked for a permit, that was in response to another post and I did make the distinction between other states and TN.   Your turn to spin.

I know what you're saying, but I don't think everyone that sees it as a "problem" and OCs is doing it for the purpose of trying to solve the problem.

Not if you have a carry permit. But what I meant is if the person is legally carrying, then by law it doesn't matter if they are carrying openly.

The cops have a duty to investigate crimes. In states where OC is legal without a permit someone OCIng does not give a LEO PC or RAS to have anything beyond a voluntary encounter with the person. In TN someone OCing should not have a problem with a LEO requesting to see their HCP

  Assuming they follow the law that is anywhere where carry itself is legal

  I meant worse in the sense of passion, vocalization, emotional vs logical arguments etc.... 

  It is also possible if the perp sees an openly carried firearm he may choose to find a different place to rob.  That person OCing has also prevented anyone from getting hurt.   Either situation is possible and why it is a choice for the individual to make.

  I didn't read every post, but I did read enough to see what I've always said.     The Anti-OC crowd among those that carry (or are Pro-2A) is 1000 time worse toward OC than any Anti-gun group is toward firearms in general.

  Things may have changed, but when I dispatched we didn't regularly run the plates of every vehicle an officer stopped.  At least not for owner info, we may do a stolen check on it though.

  Exactly

  Yep and although the odds are good, you don't even know if the registered owner is the driver until you make contact with them.

  Very recent.  Came from state losing court case and now having to issue carry permits.

I couldn't remember where I saw it, but as posted above, it is my understanding if you have a carry permit from your state of residence you can carry within your vehicle in IL. You can also be armed in the immediate area around your vehicle for the purpose of exiting and locking the firearm in the trunk if that is where you are going to store it.   While not anywhere near what it needs to be, it is an improvement at least.

  I think you may have this reversed.  TN honors all other state permits, there is no distinction in the law whether it is a resident or non-resident permit.   FL will only honor resident permits from other states.  I imagine this because FL issues non-resident permits.  I have noticed that most states that issue non-resident permits do not honor non-resident permits issued by other states.  Would seem to be purely monetary reasons. 

Here are some links to the ruling.  This was a State Supreme Court Ruling, so it would have to appealed by the state in Federal system to overturn it.   http://tncourts.gov/sites/default/files/williamsonguyopn_0.pdf   http://caselaw.findlaw.com/tn-supreme-court/1602261.html     From the ruling...   Conclusion   Because the anonymous report of an armed party, absent corroboration and other indicia of reliability as to criminal activity, did not establish reasonable suspicion based upon specific, articuable facts, there was an insufficient basis for the investigatory stop and frisk of the Defendant. The evidence seized, therefore, should be suppressed. The convictions are reversed and the cause dismissed. Costs are adjudged against the State.  

Why?

  In many states they don't have a right to ID someone just because they are armed. Running someone through NCIC can tell you if they are currently wanted, but AFAIK you'd have to run a criminal history to know if they are a convicted felon and criminal histories are pretty heavily audited so you generally need a pretty good reason to run one and not sure someone in possession of a firearm in a state where it's legal without a permit would hold up.   My argument is I should be able to be left alone unless I am suspected of committing a crime and in many states openly carrying a firearm is not a crime.

  Everyone with a cellphone, which is pretty much everyone period, walks around with a video recording device.  Also many people tend to go out with friend when they go out.   You can't honestly think he would have been more pleasant and professional if the camera hadn't been on?   No doubt LEOs have a hard job and deal with the lowest of the low at times, but that is also the job. But that doesn't mean everyone they meet is on the 10 most wanted or every call is the crime of the century.   I really think some of it is the same as the problem with Drs over-prescribing medicine.  People who go to the doctor don't want to be told, there is nothing wrong or they'll get better on their own in a little...they want medicine. Sometimes I think LEOs must think, I was called, there must be a crime here somewhere, I just have to keep on and on till I find.  Trouble is these days people call the police for anything and everything and it's not always illegal or even suspicious just because the caller thought it was.

  Well....if you are armed and asked for ID (HCP) you must show it.   Just because you are armed doesn't mean you have to voluntarily announce you are armed and offer ID

  If he ask you for your HCP then you must show that.  Otherwise unless he suspects you of some criminal activity you are not "required" to identify yourself at all.

  I know the TBI takes criminal histories serious. We had to keep a log which officer ran it and why and that is one thing they for sure inspected when they came down.  MDT (Mobile Data Terminals) can be limited as to what inquires they can make I believe.  I dispatched in the throughout the 90's I didn't work at a place with it's own terminal till the mid 90's and had to go to Nashville for the training on it.  Now things could have changed since, but again when I was dispatching there was no direct way to get DL info from a License Plate.     In all honesty I'm not sure how much of a help that is, many vehicles have more than one registered owner and nothing says the registered owner is the one driving.  My children often drive my vehicle.