Fallguy

      Not to get more OT, but just to note you are NOT immune from any injury to innocent 3rd party or any property damage they may have.

Good point on the "loophole" OS

The people who issue the permit are correct, if you only have one DUI it could be yesterday and it wouldn't disqualify you. It's only if you have had two DUIs within 10 years of applying AND one of those has been within the last 5 years. "The applicant has not been convicted of the offense of driving under the influence of an intoxicant in this or any other State two (2) or more times within ten (10) years from the date of application and that none of such convictions has occurred within five (5) years from the date of application or renewal."

As long as you apply for renewal before the expiration date, you can still carry even if it expires before new one is issued. Just need old permit and receipt showing you've applied for renewal.

True

  Government owned buildings, except Federal, are not off-limits by law.  State and Local Governments must post their property just like private property owners. 

As OS said...   http://www.tn.gov/attorneygeneral/op/2014/op14-60.pdf   STATE OF TENNESSEE OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL June 11, 2014   Opinion No. 14-60   Out-of-State Handgun Permits Held by Tennessee Residents   QUESTION   May a Tennessee resident who does not have a Tennessee handgun carry permit under Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-17-1351 and who has no other commission or permit issued by the State of Tennessee or a local government in Tennessee rely on a handgun or weapons permit issued by another state as authorization to carry a handgun in Tennessee?   OPINION   A Tennessee resident may rely on an out-of-state permit only for six months after establishing residency in Tennessee. After that time, a resident must have a handgun permit issued by the State of Tennessee. 

Oops  :ugh:

Don't quote me on this but I think the problem is TN only does a background check on you when you apply for a HCP or renew it every 4 years.  Those states where their permit/license can take the place of the NICS check do an annual background check.   I could be totally wrong, but thought I read/heard that somewhere once.

  Not doubting you, but is there a source you can cite for this?  I don't see how Indiana LE could possibly know the laws of 49 other states or have the authority to enforce them.

AFAIK A resident TN permit is recognized in all states that will honor another states permit, except for Maine.

You don't need a license to carry in your vehicle. It's not even a defense but an exception.

  So basically you are advocating a LEO threatening deadly force against a citizen who is committing no crime and had made no threatening actions, right?

  As long as you are on your property it doesn't make a difference. 

    Agree on both points.   That is why I think "he who is not to be named" is right about 39-17-1307 being unconstitutional, although he went about trying to prove it the wrong way.

http://www.tn.gov/attorneygeneral/op/2014/op14-60.pdf   QUESTION     May a Tennessee resident who does not have a Tennessee handgun carry  permit under Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-17-1351 and who has no other commission or  permit issued by the State of Tennessee or a local government in Tennessee rely on a  handgun or weapons permit issued by another state as authorization to carry a  handgun in Tennessee?    OPINION    A Tennessee resident may rely on an out-of-state permit only for six months  after establishing residency in Tennessee. After that time, a resident must have a  handgun permit issued by the State of Tennessee.

  The TN Constitution does give citizens the right to be armed.  The law makes an "exception" to 39-17-1307 not a defense.    I agree an officer can make the scene safe, but a blanket policy (whether personal or by department) of disarming every person they encounter, just seems like a blatant abuse of authority to me. 

    Good points.

What are LEOs like this going to do when starting next week even those without an HCP can legally have a firearm in their car?   It is one thing if he would have said, "I would have preferred...." Maybe even if he'd said, "You should....." Just hate when they don't know, or even worse, purposely misquote, the law.

Good luck!

I don't t think a city can suddenly proclaim a public city street a park, but even it was a park, to legally prohibit carry very specific signs have to be posted per 39-17-1311 

  That is true about not really knowing.   I'd almost be afraid to seek an AG opinion based on others he has issued concerning firearms.   Oh I just come and go lol.  But looks like you've been doing a good job. :)

  That is pretty much how I have always taken it.  A loaded firearm is carried incidental to hunting, a knife with a blade over 4" may be incidental to fishing (cleaning) and so on. I've never taken it to mean that you can have any weapon just because you are engaged in one of those activities.

Long read....but saw this posted a while back.   --------------------------------------------------------------   Should Christians Keep and Bear Arms A Christian Viewpoint Dr. Marshall C. St. John The Constitution of the United States of American contains this sentence: “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” Our Constitution is not part of the Bible, however it is based on Biblical principles. For example, the Constitution speaks of the necessity of a militia for the security of a free nation. “Militia” does not mean a professional army. It means the citizens of the nation bearing arms. It is the teaching of the Bible that citizens MAY, and often MUST bear arms for the defense of the nation. For example: 7 And ye shall chase your enemies, and they shall fall before you by the sword. 8 And five of you shall chase an hundred, and an hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight: and your enemies shall fall before you by the sword. 9 For I will have respect unto you, and make you fruitful, and multiply you, and establish my covenant with you. (Leviticus 26:7-9) In order for God's people to accomplish the will of God, it may sometimes be necessary for them to bear arms and literally fight. King David wrote in Psalm 18:34-39... “He teacheth my hands to war, so that a bow of steel is broken by mine arms...I have pursued mine enemies, and overtaken them: neither did I turn again till they were consumed. I have wounded them that they were not able to rise: they are fallen under my feet. For thou hast girded me with strength unto the battle...” LESSONS FROM NEHEMIAH When Nehemiah was rebuilding the wall around Jerusalem, it was necessary for him and the other men to go armed for self-defense. Nehemiah 4:16-18 “And it came to pass from that time forth, that the half of my servants wrought in the work, and the other half of them held both the spears, the shields, and the bows, and the habergeons; and the rulers were behind all the house of Judah. They which builded on the wall, and they that bare burdens, with those that laded, every one with one of his hands wrought in the work, and with the other hand held a weapon. For the builders, every one had his sword girded by his side, and so builded. And he that sounded the trumpet was by me.” Many of the heros of the Bible were men at arms: Joshua, Gideon, Samson, etc. lessons from God’s Law The first five books of the Bible are sometimes called the “Torah,” which means “The Law.” In these books we find the Ten Commandments, and many other laws God gave to His people to order their lives. In Exodus 22:2-3 we read: “If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him. If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed for him; for he should make full restitution; if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.” In other words, homeowners are allowed by God’s Law to defend themselves against burglars who break in at night. lessons from Jesus In Luke 22:36 Jesus commanded His disciples to be armed for self-defense. “Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.” Jesus commanded his disciples to buy swords, if they had none. They said they already had two, and Jesus said that would be enough. As a band of a dozen able-bodied men, they were quite safe from roving bandits, even if every man in the group was not carrying a weapon. The application is that Jesus commands us to be armed for self-defense, but He does not recommend that we go overboard with our weapons. Jesus said in another place, “He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword.” Jesus encourages his followers to defend themselves, but He does not encourage us to be eager for battle and bloodshed. Self-defense may be necessary as a last resort, but violence should not be sought after and relished. God’s people are supposed to be peacemakers, not ruffians. Neither are we allowed to spread the Gospel by means of violence or military aggression. LESSONS FROM PAUL “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.” I Timothy 5:8 We must provide food and shelter for our families. It is also our duty to provide protection from criminals. The most effective way to do this is to move your family to a safe neighborhood. Also, we should make sure our communities have effective law enforcement officers. But what would you do if a criminal broke into your home? Are you prepared to defend your family? We pray for God to provide for us; but that does not excuse us from earning money, buying food and building houses. We pray for God to defend us from criminals, but that does not excuse us from taking steps to protect our families. Preserving Your Right to Keep and Bear Arms The importance of preserving your right to keep and bear arms is illustrated in I Samuel 13:19-22. “Now there was no smith found throughout all the land of Israel: for the Philistines said, Lest the Hebrews make them swords or spears: But all the Israelites went down to the Philistines, to sharpen every man his share, and his coulter, and his ax, and his mattock. Yet they had a file for the mattocks, and for the coulters, and for the forks, and for the axes, and to sharpen the goads. So it came to pass in the day of battle, that there was neither sword nor spear found in the hand of any of the people that were with Saul and Jonathan: but with Saul and with Jonathan his son was there found.” The Philistines conquered and dis-armed the Israelites. They even took away the means of weapons production, in order to enslave them. In order to revolt, the few Israelites who had weapons attacked some Philistines and took their weapons. This process continued until many Israelites had arms. In modern times, It is impossible to overthrow tyrants and have a free society unless the citizens have firearms, and know how to use them. RIGHTS COME FROM GOD It is vital for every Christian to realize that all our rights actually come from God. The government never gives you rights, but only recognizes rights you already have, or tries to take your rights away from you, to increase its power. It is clearly obvious that as government grows larger, our liberties are gradually being taken away. The second Amendment of the Constitution, the second right enumerated in the Bill of Rights, is the right to “keep and bear arms.” As we have seen from the scriptures quoted above, this right is rooted in the Bible, because the right to self-defense, and the obligation to protect the weak, is rooted in the Bible. An Objection Answered Someone may ask: “But what about turning the other cheek and not resisting evil? Aren’t Christians supposed to act like that? Aren’t we supposed to be pacifists?” The answer is simple: In those verses Jesus was telling Christians how to react to minor insults: a slap on the cheek, the loss of a coat, and so on. He was not addressing the Christian’s response to criminal activity or a tyrannical government. He did that when He said, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” and “Love your neighbor as yourself.” If we love our neighbors, we will take steps to keep them safe from criminals. That may mean that we will personally need to use weapons to help our neighbors. It also means that we will support our local police in the apprehension of criminals. It also means that we will do whatever we can to make our government one that honors individual rights and liberties. Instead of taking vengeance on criminals personally, we will call on the police to find and arrest them, and bring them to justice. But when criminals attack us or our neighbors, and the police are not present, we will do what it takes, not just for our own sake, but for the Christian love we have for our families and communities. To dis-arm and to allow criminals to attack us and our neighbors unopposed is to be negligent about our Christian duty. Presbyterians thought this out a long time ago. In our official doctrinal statement, the Westminster Larger Catechism, Answer # 135 we read: “The duties required in the sixth commandment” include “just defense against violence.” Self-defense, and that involves keeping and bearing arms, is not only your privilege as an American Christian, it is your duty. Wayside Presbyterian Church 2502 Fairmount Pike Signal Mountain, TN 37377 www.waysidechurch.org __________________ Dr. M. St. John www.waysidechurch.org

My guess is that even if there is or will be, it is not intended for or will be offerd to the "average" person.